Why Elites Hate

[Rion]

Why Elites Hate

No small part of the attraction of identity politics is its usefulness in silencing those who do not hew to progressive orthodoxy. This dynamic is most visible on campuses, where identity politics is also most virulent. It’s no accident, in other words, that the mob at Middlebury resorted to violence to try to keep Charles Murray ; after all, he’s been called a “white nationalist.” In much the same way identity politics has led Democrats to regard themselves as the “resistance” rather than the loyal opposition.

The great irony here is that this has left Democrats increasingly choosing undemocratic means to get what they want. From President Obama’s boast that he would use his pen and phone to bypass Congress to the progressive use of the Supreme Court as its preferred legislature to the Iran and climate deals that made end runs around the Constitution, it all underscores one thing: The modern American progressive has no faith in the democratic process because he has no trust in the American people.

archive version: http://archive.is/Ct3T1

 

[Armoured]

Ooh, those elites!

 

[LoAmmi]

Why Elites Hate

No small part of the attraction of identity politics is its usefulness in silencing those who do not hew to progressive orthodoxy. This dynamic is most visible on campuses, where identity politics is also most virulent. It’s no accident, in other words, that the mob at Middlebury resorted to violence to try to keep Charles Murray ; after all, he’s been called a “white nationalist.” In much the same way identity politics has led Democrats to regard themselves as the “resistance” rather than the loyal opposition.

The great irony here is that this has left Democrats increasingly choosing undemocratic means to get what they want. From President Obama’s boast that he would use his pen and phone to bypass Congress to the progressive use of the Supreme Court as its preferred legislature to the Iran and climate deals that made end runs around the Constitution, it all underscores one thing: The modern American progressive has no faith in the democratic process because he has no trust in the American people.

See, while I don't really disagree with what is said, I never quite understand why these articles aren't about how both parties are corrupt and don't want to follow the rules. Rah, rah, my side is best doesn't work when you go back to Bush and find him bypassing Congress and doing unconstitutional things.

Nor does it mention that the Congress was so corrupt that Republicans filibustered bills they introduced or nominees that they ended up nearly voting unanimously on. It's all the left. Pull the other leg.

 

[The Brown Brink]

Wah.
Wah.
Wah.

 

[super animator]

Elites are democrats now Rion?

 

[Rion]

See, while I don't really disagree with what is said, I never quite understand why these articles aren't about how both parties are corrupt and don't want to follow the rules. Rah, rah, my side is best doesn't work when you go back to Bush and find him bypassing Congress and doing unconstitutional things.

Nor does it mention that the Congress was so corrupt that Republicans filibustered bills they introduced or nominees that they ended up nearly voting unanimously on. It's all the left. Pull the other leg.

I think you're putting words in the various authors mouths. Several of them are progressive sites and writers, they aren't pro-Republican. Also, the issue is how the Democrats are continuing to alienate middle America, why would it pull a whataboutism that had nothing to do with the topic on hand?

 

[tulc]

My only real criticism of the article would be how they misspelled "Republican" so badly by spelling it "elites".
tulc(thinks people should spellcheck their writing a little better.

 

[Rion]

Elites are democrats now Rion?

Did you read the article?

 

[super animator]

Did you read the article?

No, but I read the sample that you posted.

 

[Armoured]

My only real criticism of the article would be how they misspelled "Republican" so badly by spelling it "elites".
tulc(thinks people should spellcheck their writing a little better.

Pictured: not elites

 

[Albion]

See, while I don't really disagree with what is said, I never quite understand why these articles aren't about how both parties are corrupt and don't want to follow the rules.

OK, fair's fair, I suppose. Tell us about the college campuses where liberals are not allowed to speak and violence against them by their opponents is winked at by the administration.

 

[LoAmmi]

OK, fair's fair, I suppose. Tell us about the college campuses where liberals are not allowed to speak and violence against them by their opponents is winked at by the administration.

I've gone on record saying I don't like millennials and how they've hurt the left's causes with their idiocy. What more can I say about that? It always seems to be colleges or college aged people doing this nonsense and I'd like for them to be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Bunch of jerks who never had to learn how to lose.

That said, this article isn't solely about colleges and while I know why you'd like to focus there instead of what I said, seems a bit disingenuous.

 

[LoAmmi]

I think you're putting words in the various authors mouths. Several of them are progressive sites and writers, they aren't pro-Republican. Also, the issue is how the Democrats are continuing to alienate middle America, why would it pull a whataboutism that had nothing to do with the topic on hand?

Until you added the link so I could read the entire article, I only had what you put up which I responded to.

Yeah, Democrats are being stupid. What else is new? They put up the worst candidate for President ever. I know this because that person lost to the second worst candidate ever.

 

[tulc]

I think you're putting words in the various authors mouths. Several of them are progressive sites and writers, they aren't pro-Republican. Also, the issue is how the Democrats are continuing to alienate middle America, why would it pull a whataboutism that had nothing to do with the topic on hand?

I thought this article brought up some good things:
Middle America’s malaise helped Trump to victory, but he has no cure | Brookings Institution

For many whites, and especially for white men, a vote for Donald Trump was a cry of pain. Leave aside that most of Trump’s voters did not attend rallies, and that few live in the bizarre, twitterspheric world of the Alt-right. His successful wooing of white middle America, especially in the Mid-West, and of white less-educated men, helped him to win the Presidency.
Many of his supporters are in pain. Some might seem angry. But anger is just pain in disguise. The malaise of white middle America can be seen in trends for mortality, life expectancy, suicide and opioid use. Perhaps it is not surprising that the areas where people are turning to oxycodone are also the ones that turned to Trump. Trump out-performed Mitt Romney in counties with the highest levels of premature mortality, according to our own analysis.[1] Data from the relationship in the six states that went from the Democrat column to the Republican one—Florida, Iowa, Michigan[2], Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin—shows this correlation (counties above the line are those where Trump did better than Romney):

tulc(just a thought)

 

[Armoured]

I've gone on record saying I don't like millennials and how they've hurt the left's causes with their idiocy. What more can I say about that? It always seems to be colleges or college aged people doing this nonsense and I'd like for them to be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Bunch of jerks who never had to learn how to lose.

That said, this article isn't solely about colleges and while I know why you'd like to focus there instead of what I said, seems a bit disingenuous.

Also rather blithely ignores the many reported instances of shenanigans at tribal right leaning colleges, but let's not digress.

 

[Maren]

Is it just me, or is there a huge amount of irony in the author using Identity Politics ("elites") to bash Identity Politics?

 

[LoAmmi]

Also rather blithely ignores the many reported instances of shenanigans at tribal right leaning colleges, but let's not digress.

There's a good debate to be had over colleges pushing agendas and not being open to the other side being presented. Now, that doesn't cover all issues because I wouldn't give flat-Earthers the time of day in a college classroom, but on social issues there are reasons to present what the other side believes. Both in right wing and left wing settings.

 

[LoAmmi]

Is it just me, or is there a huge amount of irony in the author using Identity Politics ("elites") to bash Identity Politics?

Well, it's like "political correctness". Both sides have it. It's just for different topics.

 

[Armoured]

There's a good debate to be had over colleges pushing agendas and not being open to the other side being presented. Now, that doesn't cover all issues because I wouldn't give flat-Earthers the time of day in a college classroom, but on social issues there are reasons to present what the other side believes. Both in right wing and left wing settings.

Indeed. As noted previously, pretending it's only THOSE guys that do it, while WE are saintly and pure, is intellectually bankrupt.

 

[Rion]

No, but I read the sample that you posted.

I'd encourage you to read the whole thing. It's not very long. And yes, the Progressives of the Democratic party are coming across as elites to your average joe at the moment. In my previous thread on the subject I had one guy go full Anna Kasperian about how they were better than Trump voters and I believe they got several likes out of that post. Look at the response in here. "What about Trump?!" "What about da mean Republicans under Bush?!"

As someone who would prefer both major parties to die right the heck off, I've no problem with the Democrats going the way of the dodo. I would, however, like them to understand why it happened, if it must.

Also rather blithely ignores the many reported instances of shenanigans at tribal right leaning colleges, but let's not digress.

There's not that many American Indian colleges to begin with. How many are even right-leaning?