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Why do Christians continue to celebrate Christmas?

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When it's roots are clearly founded in pagan beliefs. The idea of 'Santa' and his reindeer's are satanic. No where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was born on the 25th December. It blows my mind that Christians today are still celebrating this pagan holiday?
 
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Do you believe it wrong that we pick a season and a day to focus on the birth of Christ and It's meaning? Would you rather we focused on His birth more often, or not at all?
 
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Do you believe it wrong that we pick a season and a day to focus on the birth of Christ and It's meaning? Would you rather we focused on His birth more often, or not at all?

Yeah because the 25th was when the pagans celebrated the birth of the sun god. Even the Christmas tree is satanic. What does a tree have to do with Christ?. I would be pretty annoyed if someone celebrated my birthday on the same day as someone I would consider an enemy.
 
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I feel a whole lot less concern about trees and reindeer than I do about the very real idolatry of rampant materialism and greed that is non-stop during practically every holiday, Christian or otherwise. I seriously doubt anyone worships reindeer and snowmen above God, but people do love their things and never seem to be satisfied. "Christmas" already starts before Halloween now..."Christmas in July" won't be so much of a joke before too long.
 
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Yeah because the 25th was when the pagans celebrated the birth of the sun god. Even the Christmas tree is satanic. What does a tree have to do with Christ?. I would be pretty annoyed if someone celebrated my birthday on the same day as someone I would consider an enemy.

Any action must be judged by the intent of the person involved. I see nothing whatsoever Satanic about either Santa or Xmas trees and neither do I see anything evil in the intent of anyone to celebrate the birth of Jesus on any day of the year.
 
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When it's roots are clearly founded in pagan beliefs. The idea of 'Santa' and his reindeer's are satanic. No where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was born on the 25th December. It blows my mind that Christians today are still celebrating this pagan holiday?

It is too attached to the culture; no amount of revelation will necessarily take Christmas from Christians - even thought it was never a "Christian" holiday to begin with.

The Most High God told us the seven holy days we should celebrate; three are in the spring, one is in the late spring/early summer, and three are in the fall. None are in what is colloquially called "winter".


He would have told us if we were suppose to follow another holy day. Hebrews do not have a culture of celebrating birthdays.
 
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It is too attached to the culture; no amount of revelation will necessarily take Christmas from Christians - even thought it was never a "Christian" holiday to begin with.

The Most High God told us the seven holy days we should celebrate; three are in the spring, one is in the late spring/early summer, and three are in the fall. None are in what is colloquially called "winter".


He would have told us if we were suppose to follow another holy day. Hebrews do not have a culture of celebrating birthdays.

We are not Hebrews. That particular tribal culture no longer exists --- anywhere.
 
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Christmas is not pagan, that is a myth. There is nothing wrong with celebrations and Santa Claus is based on St. Nicholas. A history lesson would be a good thing


Shemaryahu Talmon, Professor Emeritus in the Bible Department at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and a top Scroll scholar, in 1958 published an in-depth study of the Temple’s rotating assignment of priests [1 Chr 24:7] and the Qumran scrolls to see the assignment during New Testament times. It shows definitively that Zachariah served as a Temple priest [Lk 1:8] in September. His wife, St. Elizabeth, conceived late in September, as the archangel Gabriel said, [Lk 1:24] and afterward remained in seclusion for five months. Church tradition is that her son John the Baptizer was conceived on September 23.

It's commonly believed (I have thought this myself) that Christians made the date of Christmas to correspond to Roman holidays, so as to wipe them out. Fr. Saunders observed:

The Romans did celebrate Saturnalia between Dec. 17 and 23, commemorating the winter solstice Dec. 23, but Christmas does not fit that time frame. What about the "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun" [Natalis Solis Invicti or Sol Invictus] Dec. 25?

He goes on to note that we have a record of celebrations of Christmas on Dec. 25, from Pope St. Telesphorus (c. 125-136), the seventh bishop of Rome, St. Theophilus (AD 115-181), bishop of Caesarea, St. Hippolytus (170-240), Pope Liberius (352-66), St. Gregory Nazianzus (d. 389), and St. Ambrose (d. 397).

The Romans celebrated the winter solstice on Dec. 25 in the Julian calendar. At length, he concludes: "Christmas was celebrated Dec. 25 prior to any pagan celebration on the same date." The earliest date provided by historical evidence, for the Roman celebration of Sol Invictus is 274 (institution by the Roman emperor Aurelian).​

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In the Jewish tradition at the time of Christ, there was a belief in what they called the “integral age”—that the prophets had died on the same days of their conception or birth. Early Christians spent much energy on determining the exact date of Christ’s death. Using historical sources, Christians in the first or second century settled on March 25th as the date of his crucifixion. Soon after, March 25th became the accepted date of Christ’s conception, as well.

Add nine months—the standard term of a pregnancy—to March 25th, and Christians came up with December 25th as the date of Christ’s birth.

It is unknown exactly when Christians began formally celebrating December 25th as a feast. What is known, however, is that the date of December 25th “had no religious significance in the Roman pagan festal calendar before Aurelian’s time (Roman emperor from 270-275), nor did the cult of the sun play a prominent role in Rome before him.” According to Tighe, Aurelian intended the new feast “to be a symbol of the hoped-for ‘rebirth,’ or perpetual rejuvenation, of the Roman Empire…. [and] if it co-opted the Christian celebration, so much the better.”

As Tighe points out, the now-popular idea that Christians co-opted the pagan feast originates with Paul Ernst Jablonski (1693-1757), who opposed various supposed “paganizations” of Christianity.

Of course, to Christians, it really doesn’t matter that much whether or not they co-opted December 25th from the pagans, or vice versa. The Christian faith doesn’t stand or fall on that detail. But it’s nevertheless valuable for all of us to give closer scrutiny to shibboleths—such as that of the pagan origins of Christmas—which are continually repeated without being examined.​

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We are not Hebrews. That particular tribal culture no longer exists --- anywhere.

Name one place where the Most High God said that the Hebrews, His People, would have conditional establishment under Him.

Just because people don't remember or acknowledge Him, and the culture He set up for His people doesn't mean it isn't established to this day.

 
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When it's roots are clearly founded in pagan beliefs. The idea of 'Santa' and his reindeer's are satanic. No where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was born on the 25th December. It blows my mind that Christians today are still celebrating this pagan holiday?

Every Christian I know of takes off all the holidays offered. My mind not blown.
I've never seen a Christian return a gift, until nexts years grab bag anyway.
 
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When it's roots are clearly founded in pagan beliefs. The idea of 'Santa' and his reindeer's are satanic. No where does it say in the Bible that Jesus was born on the 25th December. It blows my mind that Christians today are still celebrating this pagan holiday?

I think it’s because nobody really knows Jesus’ actual birthday so they picked Dec 25 which was also celebrated by pagans. Personally I agree that was a terrible idea but who knows what the real motives were? Perhaps someone thought it was a good idea to have a huge celebration. Perhaps it was meant to incorporate paganism into Christianity. I don’t know. But I think Christians today simply disregard the pagan aspect and use it as a day to honor Jesus more than the usual day. Personally I don’t feel any conviction about celebrating Jesus’ birth on Christmas Day. Probably because it is so widely accepted by society.
 
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I think it’s because nobody really knows Jesus’ actual birthday so they picked Dec 25 which was also celebrated by pagans. Personally I agree that was a terrible idea but who knows what the real motives were? Perhaps someone thought it was a good idea to have a huge celebration. Perhaps it was meant to incorporate paganism into Christianity. I don’t know. But I think Christians today simply disregard the pagan aspect and use it as a day to honor Jesus more than the usual day. Personally I don’t feel any conviction about celebrating Jesus’ birth on Christmas Day. Probably because it is so widely accepted by society.

It was an attempt at a conversion tactic. The hope was that if they picked a day that was already a pagan holiday, it would make it easier to get pagans to convert over to Christianity.
 
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Try as I might, I don't find much paganism in the Christmas liturgy, reflections on the Incarnation (re-reading Athanasius' reflection now) and the genuinely great Christocentric Christmas hymns in the western tradition.

If there is anyone here going to make the argument that Christmas and all the elements associated with it are corrupted with the stench of Paganism I expect a good argument to prove the connection beyond reasonable doubt and not this culturally accepted 'truth' that is propagated mindlessly.
 
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"Around 200 C.E. Tertullian of Carthage reported the calculation that the 14th of Nisan (the day of the crucifixion according to the Gospel of John) in the year Jesus diedc was equivalent to March 25 in the Roman (solar) calendar.9 March 25 is, of course, nine months before December 25; it was later recognized as the Feast of the Annunciation—the commemoration of Jesus’ conception.10 Thus, Jesus was believed to have been conceived and crucified on the same day of the year. Exactly nine months later, Jesus was born, on December 25.d

This idea appears in an anonymous Christian treatise titled On Solstices and Equinoxes, which appears to come from fourth-century North Africa. The treatise states: “Therefore our Lord was conceived on the eighth of the kalends of April in the month of March [March 25], which is the day of the passion of the Lord and of his conception. For on that day he was conceived on the same he suffered.”11 Based on this, the treatise dates Jesus’ birth to the winter solstice.

^ from biblicalarchaelogy (cont' below)

Augustine, too, was familiar with this association. In On the Trinity (c. 399–419) he writes: “For he [Jesus] is believed to have been conceived on the 25th of March, upon which day also he suffered; so the womb of the Virgin, in which he was conceived, where no one of mortals was begotten, corresponds to the new grave in which he was buried, wherein was never man laid, neither before him nor since. But he was born, according to tradition, upon December the 25th.”12"




I have seen more than one site saying same as above:
that belief was Jesus conceived Mar 25 so 9 mos later puts birth Dec 25
 
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col 2:
15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Yes a non christian world has a party, use the reason for the season to evangelise your family and friends.
Use Christian Christmas cards, make your own if they aren't Christian enough, insist on there coming with you to the carol service, to the nativity service and to the christmasday service.
That is three operunities for them to hear the gospel.
 
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People in the middle ages didn't have all the luxuries we take for granted today ample food, heating , lights. People then during winter had no hope many starving , in total darkness many committed suicide. So the darkest day of the year was picked to celebrate the light of the world coming in to give people a day of joy in their very hard lives and this got them through winter. 2 billion Christians celebrate world wide on this day the birth of Jesus Christ and that is a very good thing . Merry Christ Mass
 
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Dionysius Exiguus - Westar Institute

Dionysius Exigius (aka Dennis the Short), a monk from Russia who died about 544, was asked by Pope John I to set out the dates for Easter from the years 527 to 626. It seems that the Pope was keen to produce some order in the celebration of Easter. Dionysius decided to begin with what he considered to be the year of Jesus' birth. He chose the year in which Rome had been founded and determined, from the evidence known to him, that Jesus had been born 753 years later. He did have an error in that because one emperor changed his name during his reign, Dionysius counted him twice.

He was almost certainly acquainted with a suggestion by Hippolytus (170–236) that the date of Jesus' birth was December 25, but the trouble was that Hippolytus had not backed up this claim with sound arguments. Dionysius, however, had just the argument: His contemporaries claimed that God created the earth on March 25. It was inconceivable that the son of God could have been in any way imperfect. Therefore Jesus must have been conceived on March 25. This meant that he must have been born nine months later—December 25. Dionysius also concluded that, as a perfect being, Jesus could not have lived an incomplete life so he must have died on March 25 as well!

December 25 was an auspicious choice. In 274, in Rome, the Emperor Aurelian declared December 25 a civic holiday in celebration of the birth of Mithras, the sun god. By 336, in that same city, Christians countered by celebrating the birth of Jesus, the son of God, on December 25. Christians in Antioch in 375 celebrated the birth of Jesus on January 6. Christians in Alexandria did not begin to celebrate Christmas at all until 430. So until Dionysius came along there was confusion over dates, and debates raged, even over the usefulness of celebrating the birth of Jesus at all. What had been universally important for all Christians—the pre-eminent event—was the celebration of Easter.

When, in 527, he formalized the date of Jesus' birth, Dionysius put Christmas on the map. Jesus was born, he declared, on December 25 in the Roman year 753. Dionysius then suspended time for a few days, declaring January 1, 754—New Year's day in Rome—as the first year in a new era of world history.

With a stroke of ingenuity Dionysius had managed to shift the attention of the church from Easter to Christmas. From this point in time it seemed only logical to celebrate the birth of Jesus before his death. If Jesus' death by crucifixion had made possible salvation for all people everywhere, so the argument went, then his birth was the sign that God was identifying with human kind by taking human form.

But Dionysius made a mistake in his calculations. Perhaps he had never read the gospel account of the birth of Jesus. In Matthew Jesus is said to have been born while Herod was still King (2:1). That would translate into 4 BC (or even earlier) according to the calculations of Dionysius. As a consequence, for Christians the year 2000 is not two thousand years after the birth of Jesus, but more like 2004.

That was not his only mistake. Dionysius followed the convention of his times and, as the Roman calendar moved from the year 753 to 754, he called the latter "year one" of the New World order—anno domini, the year of our Lord. The concept of naught (zero) didn't come into Europe from Arabia and India until about two hundred years later. As a result, centuries end with naught and begin with the digit one. So for us the year 2000 was the end of one millennium but it was not the beginning of the next: that occurred in 2001.

Later, when Pope Gregory tidied up the calendar on 24 February 1582, the calendar lost eleven days. To synchronise the calendar of Dionysius with the movement of the sun, October 4 became October 15, and to avoid having to make further adjustments a leap year was introduced. Pope Gregory must also have known of the mistakes made by Dionysius but all he did was to confirm them, perhaps hoping that no one would notice.

There is one other problem. Bishop Ussher (1581–1656) worked out the precise year of creation as 4004 BC (he knew about Dionysisus getting the date of Jesus birth wrong). But he also advanced the view that the earth had a total life span of six thousand years. In order to come up with this conclusion he based his calculations on all the generations mentioned in the Bible.

In reality we do not know when Jesus was born—neither the year, the month, nor the day. The chronology of our western calendar is based on mythology masquerading as theology. We do well to treat it all with the humour it deserves.


By the way if the shepherds were with their flocks in the fields by night, it must have been lambing season. At all other times the shepherds would keep their sheep within a fieldstone corral and lay their bedrolls across the entrance. They were with the sheep in the field since in a crowded corral there was a very real possibility that the newborn lambs might be trampled. Lambing season in Palestine occurred around Passover which would make it early springtime.
 
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The secular celebration of Christmas is indeed quite bloated, but I don't see anything sinful with celebrating it. I just wish the mail didn't get bogged down this time of year.

Technically, we are in the season of Advent, anyways, which is quite distinct from Christmas.
 
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Every year we have these discussions on CF. Similar discussions occur at Halloween and Easter.

The solution is simple—if you don’t think that it is right to celebrate Christmas or any other holiday then by all means do not do so. But don’t say it is wrong for other Christians to celebrate.

Out of curiosity, how many of those who say Christians shouldn’t celebrate Christmas will be refusing to take the day off and going into work on December 25th?
 
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