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I have gotten myself a DNA test from Ancestry, but I am not sure if Ancestry karyotyped.

But, I do know that I have a plantain, and have facial hair, so I am a guy. I could pay to get my chromosomes analyzed, and it would probably be XY with 99% certainty.
Those tests are looking for markers, so they won't be able to count chromosomes. Your probably "normal" as am I, but we can't be certain. That was my point.
Faith and biology can go hand in hand for myself, but you make a point.

Religion is religion. Biology is biology. Never between did the two ever meet in my experience. Far from going hand-in-hand they were complete strangers. It's probably better that way.
But hey, if my Republican friend is voting Democrat this year, maybe I should bite my tongue and vote Democrat. Once this Trump mess is over in 2028 (if he passes away, or is in jail), then maybe I can vote 3rd party (Solidarity party, a centrist party) or for some center-right candidate until the woke stuff is over.
Most of the time that I think about anything "woke" (as you say) its because of some stupid thread on this site. It's a pointless obsession some people have and they are using it to manipulate you into making choices about politics and policy that might be different than they would be if they didn't plant these "woke issue notions" in your mind.
 
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Those tests are looking for markers, so they won't be able to count chromosomes. Your probably "normal" as am I, but we can't be certain. That was my point.


Religion is religion. Biology is biology. Never between did the two ever meet in my experience. Far from going hand-in-hand they were complete strangers. It's probably better that way.

Most of the time that I think about anything "woke" (as you say) its because of some stupid thread on this site. It's a pointless obsession some people have and they are using it to manipulate you into making choices about politics and policy that might be different than they would be if they didn't plant these "woke issue notions" in your mind.
I do see your point, brother, but I just want to protect the next generation of kids. Yes, I am an old soul, but we must protect both old souls and youngsters who do not want to see change go by so quickly. In all my life until recently, guys went to the male bathrooms, while gals went to the women's bathrooms. This traditional system is changing.

By the way, I am installing some biology stuff on my computer for the AI to digest as it has already digested the Catholic Catechism. Once digested, I could ask the AI to reconcile biology with religion, and see what happens. It is 18% of the way through ingesting 7 textbooks including the DSM-4, a biology textbook, a drug textbook, a genetics textbook and a human anatomy textbook. Hopefully, by tomorrow the computer will be ready. Information ingestion takes hours apparently while running 8 gigs of RAM and an Intel processor.

Anyways, I have to clean myself up and get some rest for work tomorrow. Even if we may disagree on things, you are still a cool guy. We are both into science and stuff.
 
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I do see your point, brother, but I just want to protect the next generation of kids. Yes, I am an old soul, but we must protect both old souls and youngsters who do not want to see change go by so quickly. In all my life until recently, guys went to the male bathrooms, while gals went to the women's bathrooms.
That's what you think, but did you actually know? Its just not a thing to get worked up about. It's not like there aren't individual stalls anyway.
This traditional system is changing.

By the way, I am installing some biology stuff on my computer for the AI to digest as it has already digested the Catholic Catechism.
I'm sure it manged to invent some weird new religion out of that text.
Once digested, I could ask the AI to reconcile biology with religion, and see what happens.
It's going to be GIGO. I don't know why you think a dumb machine will have any "insights". If you want to understand those subjects you need to spend the time to study them.
It is 18% of the way through ingesting 7 textbooks including the DSM-4, a biology textbook, a drug textbook, a genetics textbook and a human anatomy textbook. Hopefully, by tomorrow the computer will be ready. Information ingestion takes hours apparently while running 8 gigs of RAM and an Intel processor.
And what do you think it will "learn" from all that?
Anyways, I have to clean myself up and get some rest for work tomorrow. Even if we may disagree on things, you are still a cool guy. We are both into science and stuff.
 
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That's what you think, but did you actually know? Its just not a thing to get worked up about. It's not like there aren't individual stalls anyway.

I'm sure it manged to invent some weird new religion out of that text.

It's going to be GIGO. I don't know why you think a dumb machine will have any "insights". If you want to understand those subjects you need to spend the time to study them.

And what do you think it will "learn" from all that?
About the stalls, I went to a great restaurant, the Shake Shack for a lunch with my coworkers, and you know what was really nice? The place had two bathrooms, but both were private and not connected (individual single-occupancy rooms). Now that is a solution for this gender bending stuff. No one would have to worry about anyone else entering the bathroom. Also, the cheesy hotdog and peach shake were delicious. The fries were heavenly.

Well, the AI is only at 75% ingestion so far, so I will not be able to find out until this afternoon. But yes, GIGO is a possibility. The AI might learn about some rule in the Catechism or some church history ruling on biology. Overall, AI is a dumb machine, but it might offer some info, as the Catechism is a long document that gets boring, real quick.
 
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About the stalls, I went to a great restaurant, the Shake Shack for a lunch with my coworkers, and you know what was really nice? The place had two bathrooms, but both were private and not connected (individual single-occupancy rooms). Now that is a solution for this gender bending stuff. No one would have to worry about anyone else entering the bathroom. Also, the cheesy hotdog and peach shake were delicious. The fries were heavenly.

Well, the AI is only at 75% ingestion so far, so I will not be able to find out until this afternoon. But yes, GIGO is a possibility. The AI might learn about some rule in the Catechism or some church history ruling on biology. Overall, AI is a dumb machine, but it might offer some info, as the Catechism is a long document that gets boring, real quick.
Good grief. What is that thing doing? It seems like a giant waste of energy to find pointless correlations. A word cloud and a few other tools could have done that quicker. I look forward to the end of the "AI" craze.
 
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Good grief. What is that thing doing? It seems like a giant waste of energy to find pointless correlations. A word cloud and a few other tools could have done that quicker. I look forward to the end of the "AI" craze.
I have no idea what the AI is doing. Yes, the AI craze is a bit much, but it might be here to stay for a few more years. The AI now has knowledge of 7 textbooks of medical science, as well as general knowledge. I should ask it a question about if the trans affirming "care" is dangerous for minors. I'll get back to you on this soon.
 
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I have no idea what the AI is doing. Yes, the AI craze is a bit much, but it might be here to stay for a few more years. The AI now has knowledge of 7 textbooks of medical science, as well as general knowledge. I should ask it a question about if the trans affirming "care" is dangerous for minors. I'll get back to you on this soon.
It is unlikely to give a coherent answer. None of your books were related. It might not even understand your question.
 
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It is unlikely to give a coherent answer. None of your books were related. It might not even understand your question.
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From a common-sense, scientific, and theological perspective, the ethics of performing gender reassignment surgeries on minors is a complex issue with varying opinions.


Firstly, let's approach it from a traditional biological perspective: At birth, a person's sex is biologically determined based on their reproductive anatomy (male or female). During adolescence, hormonal changes and secondary sexual characteristics develop according to this assigned gender at birth. For transgender individuals who were assigned the opposite gender of their true gender identity, they may experience significant distress due to a mismatch between their physical appearance and their internal sense of self.


From a scientific viewpoint, some studies suggest that early social transition in children with gender dysphoria (the feeling of being uncomfortable or distressed because one's gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth) can improve their psychological well-being and reduce suicidal ideation. However, hormonal interventions and surgeries are generally reserved for adolescents who have reached puberty and demonstrate a persistent desire to transition, as these treatments carry risks such as infertility and potential impact on bone development.


In the case of minors, it is essential that they receive counseling early in their pregnancy about their options, considering the complexities involved in hormonal interventions and surgeries. Additionally, it's crucial to involve families, healthcare providers, and mental health professionals in discussions around treatment plans to ensure informed consent and appropriate care.


From a Catholic perspective, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) emphasizes respect for human dignity, life, and bodily integrity. It states that "everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity" (CCC 2358). The Church also supports the well-being and mental health of all individuals, particularly those struggling with gender dysphoria. However, it encourages a respectful approach to addressing these issues, emphasizing prayer, spiritual guidance, and pastoral care rather than immediate medical interventions for minors.


The Catholic Church acknowledges that some may experience deep-seated psychological problems related to their gender identity but views hormonal treatments and surgeries as irreversible and potentially harmful. The Church's stance is rooted in the belief that every person, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, should be treated with love, compassion, and dignity, while also recognizing the importance of upholding moral principles grounded in scripture and tradition.


In summary, from both a traditional biological perspective and a Catholic viewpoint, it is essential to approach the issue of gender reassignment surgeries for minors with care, empathy, and a thorough understanding of the physical, psychological, ethical, and spiritual implications involved. It is crucial to prioritize the well-being, safety, and dignity of transgender individuals while also ensuring that they receive appropriate medical, emotional, and spiritual support throughout their journey.

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[Clears throat], slowly drops mic:


From a common-sense, scientific, and theological perspective, the ethics of performing gender reassignment surgeries on minors is a complex issue with varying opinions.


Firstly, let's approach it from a traditional biological perspective: At birth, a person's sex is biologically determined based on their reproductive anatomy (male or female). During adolescence, hormonal changes and secondary sexual characteristics develop according to this assigned gender at birth. For transgender individuals who were assigned the opposite gender of their true gender identity, they may experience significant distress due to a mismatch between their physical appearance and their internal sense of self.


From a scientific viewpoint, some studies suggest that early social transition in children with gender dysphoria (the feeling of being uncomfortable or distressed because one's gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth) can improve their psychological well-being and reduce suicidal ideation. However, hormonal interventions and surgeries are generally reserved for adolescents who have reached puberty and demonstrate a persistent desire to transition, as these treatments carry risks such as infertility and potential impact on bone development.


In the case of minors, it is essential that they receive counseling early in their pregnancy about their options, considering the complexities involved in hormonal interventions and surgeries. Additionally, it's crucial to involve families, healthcare providers, and mental health professionals in discussions around treatment plans to ensure informed consent and appropriate care.


From a Catholic perspective, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) emphasizes respect for human dignity, life, and bodily integrity. It states that "everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity" (CCC 2358). The Church also supports the well-being and mental health of all individuals, particularly those struggling with gender dysphoria. However, it encourages a respectful approach to addressing these issues, emphasizing prayer, spiritual guidance, and pastoral care rather than immediate medical interventions for minors.


The Catholic Church acknowledges that some may experience deep-seated psychological problems related to their gender identity but views hormonal treatments and surgeries as irreversible and potentially harmful. The Church's stance is rooted in the belief that every person, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity, should be treated with love, compassion, and dignity, while also recognizing the importance of upholding moral principles grounded in scripture and tradition.


In summary, from both a traditional biological perspective and a Catholic viewpoint, it is essential to approach the issue of gender reassignment surgeries for minors with care, empathy, and a thorough understanding of the physical, psychological, ethical, and spiritual implications involved. It is crucial to prioritize the well-being, safety, and dignity of transgender individuals while also ensuring that they receive appropriate medical, emotional, and spiritual support throughout their journey.

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"In short, Canada is a fascinating land of many contrasts."

Your "AI" writes in bad book report mode. It merely provides summaries of various texts in individual paragraphs strung together. With some non-distinct closing summary. (I think the final paragraph also breaks the CCC, which was the whole point wasn't it. To get a merged Catholic and medical perspective. You'd be better off reading the relevant portions of both source documents yourself and some commentaries and consider the issue with your own mind.)

It is polished (like run through a low-pass grammar filter) but bland. It shows no synthesis, no comprehension, no analysis. Nothing useful. And it is utterly boring. When you finish reading it you ask "why did I bother?"

Last winter we had a poster try to pass AI "writing" off as his own work. It was obvious. This isn't much less obvious. Then it was impossible to have a conversation with someone who "wrote" things he didn't understand.
 
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"In short, Canada is a fascinating land of many contrasts."

Your "AI" writes in bad book report mode. It merely provides summaries of various texts in individual paragraphs strung together. With some non-distinct closing summary. (I think the final paragraph also breaks the CCC, which was the whole point wasn't it. To get a merged Catholic and medical perspective. You'd be better off reading the relevant portions of both source documents yourself and some commentaries and consider the issue with your own mind.)

It is polished (like run through a low-pass grammar filter) but bland. It shows no synthesis, no comprehension, no analysis. Nothing useful. And it is utterly boring. When you finish reading it you ask "why did I bother?"

Last winter we had a poster try to pass AI "writing" off as his own work. It was obvious. This isn't much less obvious. Then it was impossible to have a conversation with someone who "wrote" things he didn't understand.
I think the AI is woke for the first sentence of the 3rd paragraph, but for the rest, it gets into the good stuff, the Catechism and the scientific risks. But yes, the AI is not the best at writing stuff, cos it always has to come off like an essayist, a mediocre one at best.

Wait, a poster used AI last winter and passed it off as his work? That is sickening. Typically, I tell you guys if I am using AI. My devotionals are ~75% AI generated, but with a lot of human involvement.
 
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I think the AI is woke for the first sentence of the 3rd paragraph, but for the rest, it gets into the good stuff, the Catechism and the scientific risks. But yes, the AI is not the best at writing stuff, cos it always has to come off like an essayist, a mediocre one at best.
AI is "woke"? Which 3rd paragraph? (That first sentence all by itself feels a bit stray.) The one quoting science or the one about pregnancy? (Pregnancy, What?)

Wait, a poster used AI last winter and passed it off as his work? That is sickening. Typically, I tell you guys if I am using AI. My devotionals are ~75% AI generated, but with a lot of human involvement.
Now that I think of it I think it was jan 2023, but yeah it was dumb.
 
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AI is "woke"? Which 3rd paragraph? (That first sentence all by itself feels a bit stray.) The one quoting science or the one about pregnancy? (Pregnancy, What?)


Now that I think of it I think it was jan 2023, but yeah it was dumb.
This part of the AI response, quoted below was woke. But anyways, I have to help out a fellow person here who has scrupulosity (religious) OCD, so hopefully she will let me use a bit of AI and the DSM-4 to help her. :) I have OCD also (though not the religious kind, or I hope I do not), so she and I can relate as I have already told her my life anecdote about the disability, which means there might have a way of helping her.

Wow, January 2023? That is quite early for someone to jump on the AI hype-train. I discovered AI in April 2024, or around that when Windows asked me to try Bing Copilot. First time trying offline AI was in late March 2024 for myself with Mistral 7B v0.2 on the Jan front-end. First time trying retrieval augmented generation (RAG) was two days ago with Mistral 7B v0.3 on the GPT4ALL front-end. I prefer GPT4All front-end, as it has a nicer user interface, but that is besides the point.

My workplace is trying to get people to use ChatGPT, but there is no use for it in my job duties, so I turned it down. The only thing I use my privately run AI is for summarizing news articles, making Bible devotionals, debating with it by making it sound like a Trump supporter or someone on the far-left, cos it is sometimes fun to debate both sides as a guy closer to the center.

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This part of the AI response, quoted below was woke.
That's not 'woke' Alex. It is a sentence describing the results of scientific studies. It has been prefaced with weasel words, if the AI wasn't such a weaselly non-person it would have written:

"Scientific studies suggest that early social transition in children with gender dysphoria (the feeling of being uncomfortable or distressed because one's gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth) can improve their psychological well-being and reduce suicidal ideation."

That "From a scientific viewpoint" stuff is just the sort of poorly written pablum used by writers who don't know the subject they are writing about. Ideally, that statement would be backed by citations (and they are likely in the text the AI stole this sentence from) to the relevant studies. This isn't "wokeness" it is science backed by hard data, but your AI has disconnected it from you.
But anyways, I have to help out a fellow person here who has scrupulosity (religious) OCD, so hopefully she will let me use a bit of AI and the DSM-4 to help her. :) I have OCD also (though not the religious kind, or I hope I do not), so she and I can relate as I have already told her my life anecdote about the disability, which means there might have a way of helping her.

Wow, January 2023? That is quite early for someone to jump on the AI hype-train. I discovered AI in April 2024, or around that when Windows asked me to try Bing Copilot. First time trying offline AI was in late March 2024 for myself with Mistral 7B v0.2 on the Jan front-end. First time trying retrieval augmented generation (RAG) was two days ago with Mistral 7B v0.3 on the GPT4ALL front-end. I prefer GPT4All front-end, as it has a nicer user interface, but that is besides the point.

My workplace is trying to get people to use ChatGPT, but there is no use for it in my job duties, so I turned it down. The only thing I use my privately run AI is for summarizing news articles, making Bible devotionals, debating with it by making it sound like a Trump supporter or someone on the far-left, cos it is sometimes fun to debate both sides as a guy closer to the center.
My recommendation to any writer of anything: do your own writing. If you let some bot do it it will say things you don't understand and can't recognize the error in.
 
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That's not 'woke' Alex. It is a sentence describing the results of scientific studies. It has been prefaced with weasel words, if the AI wasn't such a weaselly non-person it would have written:

"Scientific studies suggest that early social transition in children with gender dysphoria (the feeling of being uncomfortable or distressed because one's gender identity does not match the sex they were assigned at birth) can improve their psychological well-being and reduce suicidal ideation."

That "From a scientific viewpoint" stuff is just the sort of poorly written pablum used by writers who don't know the subject they are writing about. Ideally, that statement would be backed by citations (and they are likely in the text the AI stole this sentence from) to the relevant studies. This isn't "wokeness" it is science backed by hard data, but your AI has disconnected it from you.

My recommendation to any writer of anything: do your own writing. If you let some bot do it it will say things you don't understand and can't recognize the error in.
I actually prompted to AI to write that. But hey, we should never mess with children in my opinion.

This is my prompt: Is gender surgery unethical for minors from a common sense, scientific and theological view? Approach this question from both a traditional biological perspective and a Catholic perspective.
 
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I actually prompted to AI to write that. But hey, we should never mess with children in my opinion.

This is my prompt: Is gender surgery unethical for minors from a common sense, scientific and theological view? Approach this question from both a traditional biological perspective and a Catholic perspective.

I know you had the AI write that. I think you could have done a better job yourself if you had used a search or AI to find the relevant text and then took a little time to understand what the sources were saying. The problem with the output you posted is that the "author" clearly doesn't understand what it is talking about. It is just regurgitating modified versions of text it found. It's like a book report written from the blurb and and some assumptions based on the title.
 
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I know you had the AI write that. I think you could have done a better job yourself if you had used a search or AI to find the relevant text and then took a little time to understand what the sources were saying. The problem with the output you posted is that the "author" clearly doesn't understand what it is talking about. It is just regurgitating modified versions of text it found. It's like a book report written from the blurb and and some assumptions based on the title.
Yeah, I could have used the AI better. I have a slight addiction to the AI on my laptop, cos it is so cool. :) But yes, I should not lean too heavily on this technology.
 
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Yeah, I could have used the AI better. I have a slight addiction to the AI on my laptop, cos it is so cool. :) But yes, I should not lean too heavily on this technology.
Are you sure it is cool? Sounds like it makes the laptop pretty hot.
 
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