What is this hand sign exactly mean?

[Zoleee]

There is that hand sign people use on rock concerts. I just made research and found that it is satanic. I have to be honest I used it years ago too but will not ever use it again for sure.

I like a band called Skillet, it is christian rock. But the lead singer shows this sign with his hand on a lot of pictures. I am confused. Is that a bad sign? Maybe he doesn't know what that means?

Some people attack them that they are not christians. But they sing about God, preached the Gorspel, etc. Is it bad to listen to their music because of that sign?

Thanks.

 

[Goodbook]

I am not sure about this particular band as dont listen to them but some people honor God with their lips but their hearts are far from him.

Christian rock has always been a compromise. I was never comfortable with this half and half thing. Basically the hand sign is showing who the person really worships, they may do this out of imitation or unknowingly, but God requires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth, not with occult hand signs.

Lifitng up our hands in prayer is scriptural but making devil horns is not.

 

[Zoleee]

I am not sure about this particular band as dont listen to them but some people honor God with their lips but their hearts are far from him.

Christian rock has always been a compromise. I was never comfortable with this half and half thing. Basically the hand sign is showing who the person really worships, they may do this out of imitation or unknowingly, but God requires us to worship Him in spirit and in truth, not with occult hand signs.

Lifitng up our hands in prayer is scriptural but making devil horns is not.

Yes I know but it is so strange. The lead singer has "Forgiven" sign, cross, Christian tattoos. He preached the Gospel on concerts too. And a lot of songs are about faith. So that's why I don't understand it. Maybe he doesn't know what it means? Some people attack him and this band but never did anything bad except this thing, I suppose. So this hand sign is called devil horn and occult? Good to know and avoid it

 

[paul1149]

Maybe he doesn't know what it means?

Here is about the "sign of the horns". It started out as a "knock on wood" kind of thing - invoking dark forces to ward away evil.

But note, here is the very similar sign language sign for I L Y, meaning I love you.

I can see why there would be confusion.

 

[Goodbook]

If there is a picture of them showing when they did this can you post it. Yes the two signs look similar.
But just looking at generic pics of them online They dont look much different from secular rock bands just cleaner cut.
I noticed with Newsboys, a supposedly christian band, start singing about God as if hes a lion when in the bible the lion is actually the devil.

I dont like this. Same with amy grant, supposedly christian but then she goes and commits adultery and says its ok. I mean maybe they dont know, or maybe the music industry wants to market them in a way that appeals to everyone.
CCM never appealed to me when I became a christian because it just sounded the same as worldly music and used the same marketing methods.

 

[Julie.S]

I will be as honest as I can be right now about this.

I think you are worrying about this more then is needed.

 

[tatteredsoul]

There is that hand sign people use on rock concerts. I just made research and found that it is satanic. I have to be honest I used it years ago too but will not ever use it again for sure.

I like a band called Skillet, it is christian rock. But the lead singer shows this sign with his hand on a lot of pictures. I am confused. Is that a bad sign? Maybe he doesn't know what that means?

Some people attack them that they are not christians. But they sing about God, preached the Gorspel, etc. Is it bad to listen to their music because of that sign?

Thanks.

If you are talking about the "hook'em horns," then it is a magickal or magical hand sign.

If you have your index and pinky finger up only (no thumb,) it is likely the "white magical" hand signal of rebellion. Pointing the index and pinky straight up with a thumb perpendicular is a symbol of recognition for certain groups and societies.

Pointing the horns with thumb out is a magickal spell casting on the pointed.

I wouldn't mess with any of the three. You can rationalize that it is just a sign in your head, but you may be unaware of the "power" it has on you and others. People think yoga is a cool exercise thing, but it is actually an important spiritual practice.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It's important to remember that symbols, gestures, signs (etc) do not have intrinsic meaning in and of themselves. Humans give them meaning, and the same symbols/signs/gestures can have radically different meanings in different cultures, or even in different contexts.

Here are some examples of what I mean:

We're probably all very familiar with this symbol,

And because of its usage by the Nazis and everything they stood for, and we have an aversion to it--and rightly so. But also there's this,

The swastika has an ancient use and meaning in India, among Hindus and Jains. For them it is a positive symbol, it was hijacked by the Nazis and that's why we have negative connotations about it.

Here's another:

You probably see this upside-down cross and think that it's a satanic symbol. In fact it's not, this is a Christian symbol, it's the cross of St. Peter, and it has been used to represent St. Peter for a very long time because ancient Christian tradition says that Peter was sentenced to be crucified, but he felt himself unworthy to die in the same way as his Lord, so he requested to be crucified upside down.

And here's another:

One might be confused, why would a church have a pentagram? Because the pentagram has become associated with neo-paganism, the occult, and even satanism in our modern culture; but traditionally the five pointed star--the pentagram--was a Christian symbol in the middle ages, the five points of the star represented the five wounds of Christ, and it also kind of looks like it's in the basic shape of a man--Christ's crown of thorns, and the nail wounds in His hands and feet.

Symbols, signs, gestures, etc only have meaning when we give them meaning. Yes, the "horns" hand gesture has been used by some death metal bands to represent the devil, but in Texas it's just "hook-em horns" used by fans of the University of Texas, Austin's football team, their mascot is a longhorn cattle. In popular usage it's just a "rock and roll" gesture, and has no deeper meaning than that.

If you are uncomfortable with it because of one meaning it has in a certain context, then absolutely don't do it. But understand that others can and, very likely, have no idea that it might have a bad meaning in some contexts. It's one of those things that you need to decide on your own based on your own conscience, nobody here is in any position to tell you "it's bad" or "it's good", because it's neither good or bad, it just is.

The truth is that if one tries hard enough, one can just about find a negative or inappropriate (for a Christian) meaning for pretty much everything. In some cultures the "thumbs up" gesture is deeply, deeply offensive.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Zoleee]

It's important to remember that symbols, gestures, signs (etc) do not have intrinsic meaning in and of themselves. Humans give them meaning, and the same symbols/signs/gestures can have radically different meanings in different cultures, or even in different contexts.

Here are some examples of what I mean:

We're probably all very familiar with this symbol,

And because of its usage by the Nazis and everything they stood for, and we have an aversion to it--and rightly so. But also there's this,

The swastika has an ancient use and meaning in India, among Hindus and Jains. For them it is a positive symbol, it was hijacked by the Nazis and that's why we have negative connotations about it.

Here's another:

You probably see this upside-down cross and think that it's a satanic symbol. In fact it's not, this is a Christian symbol, it's the cross of St. Peter, and it has been used to represent St. Peter for a very long time because ancient Christian tradition says that Peter was sentenced to be crucified, but he felt himself unworthy to die in the same way as his Lord, so he requested to be crucified upside down.

And here's another:

One might be confused, why would a church have a pentagram? Because the pentagram has become associated with neo-paganism, the occult, and even satanism in our modern culture; but traditionally the five pointed star--the pentagram--was a Christian symbol in the middle ages, the five points of the star represented the five wounds of Christ, and it also kind of looks like it's in the basic shape of a man--Christ's crown of thorns, and the nail wounds in His hands and feet.

Symbols, signs, gestures, etc only have meaning when we give them meaning. Yes, the "horns" hand gesture has been used by some death metal bands to represent the devil, but in Texas it's just "hook-em horns" used by fans of the University of Texas, Austin's football team, their mascot is a longhorn cattle. In popular usage it's just a "rock and roll" gesture, and has no deeper meaning than that.

If you are uncomfortable with it because of one meaning it has in a certain context, then absolutely don't do it. But understand that others can and, very likely, have no idea that it might have a bad meaning in some contexts. It's one of those things that you need to decide on your own based on your own conscience, nobody here is in any position to tell you "it's bad" or "it's good", because it's neither good or bad, it just is.

The truth is that if one tries hard enough, one can just about find a negative or inappropriate (for a Christian) meaning for pretty much everything. In some cultures the "thumbs up" gesture is deeply, deeply offensive.

-CryptoLutheran

Thank you very much! It was a really good answer.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

I was sent out of Sunday School as a child for doodling an Orthodox Cross.

My teacher said it was Satanic and when I said I disagreed, I was shown the door.

People read too much into symbols which of themselves do not mean anything at all. A Christian band using that sign probably has no evil intent.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I assume you mean the "Rock On!" symbol (or at least thats what I hear it called). TO me its just a symbol. Though my wife think its of the devil. None the less I never use it or care for it to begin with. I'm not saying all symbols are not a big deal, some are. I wouldn't go around wearing a penetrgram or a nazi symbol (despite what it meant before then):

 

[Goodbook]

OP talking about devils horns, not crosses.
While a cross has become a recognised symbol of our faith, we arent to put our trust in symbols. In occult circles, symbols, including crosses are heavily used. One symbol that occultists use is the hexagram, that many people think is jewish but is actually occult origin.

If a christian band is to use any symbols to denote they are christian, they wouldnt use devils horns. Traditionally the fish symbol has been used and that is recognised by christians worldwide. For hebrew believers, the menorah is used, and that is also in the book of revelation.
Non believers and occultists will use symbols that can be easily drawn. Why. Because hand signs and drawing is how they cast spells.

 

[Albion]

If you are talking about the "hook'em horns," then it is a magickal or magical hand sign.

If you're associating that sign with "Hook 'em horns," you're talking about the University of Texas' sign for its sports teams.

 

[tatteredsoul]

If you're associating that sign with "Hook 'em horns," you're talking about the University of Texas' sign for its sports teams.

Yes for the readers' perspective, not for the actual sign name. Pinky and index finger out and all others, including thumb in.

Just because a team does it, and does it for some reason they are told, doesn't mean that IS what it is for. A lot of people do things that is spiritually dangerous, thinking it is all in good fun. Often times, they say people like me are looking into things too much. Except, when you actually have some knowledge in the occult, white magic and dark magick (with a k,) then it is almost impossible not to see the magical influence these things have - the (emotional, psychological and physical) energy it invokes.

50,000 people all cheering and throwing up a sign they have no real idea of what it means is a powerfull thing. What is more powerful is getting so many people to siphon that energy to you by telling them it is something benign. I am from Texas but my parents told me at a young age not to throw up the sign. I found out why in my 20s. You don't have to practice magick to be exploited by magick

 

[ViaCrucis]

Yes for the readers' perspective, not for the actual sign name. Pinky and index finger out and all others, including thumb in.

Just because a team does it, and does it for some reason they are told, doesn't mean that IS what it is for. A lot of people do things that is spiritually dangerous, thinking it is all in good fun. Often times, they say people like me are looking into things too much. Except, when you actually have some knowledge in the occult, white magic and dark magick (with a k,) then it is almost impossible not to see the magical influence these things have - the (emotional, psychological and physical) energy it envokes.

50,000 people all cheering and throwing up a sign they have no real idea of what it means is a powerfull thing. What is more powerful is getting so many people to siphon that energy to you by telling them it is something benign. I am from Texas but my parents told me at a young age not to throw up the sign. I found out why in my 20s. You don't have to practice magick to be exploited by magick

I find it more troubling that you, as a Christian, believe in magick.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tatteredsoul]

I find it more troubling that you, as a Christian, believe in magick.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you think demons exist?

Do you believe Christ was resurrected from death to Life?

Do you believe we will have a chance at such a transfiguration?

Why, then, is magick (with a k) so far-fetched, but you have faith in these other supernatural events? As I said, you don't have to practice magick to be exploited by it.

I have seen demons, human magick, and demonic magick at work personally. If you find it troubling that I believe in magick as a Christian that is perfectly fine. But, don't scoff too much; there are many ex-witches, mages, sorcerers, and practitioners that have come to Christ with a testimony that sounds farfetched concerning real magick. It would be arrogant to discount their very real experiences because you don't believe in something.

I honestly find it troubling Christians don't recognize and understand the existence of the very real supernatural world around them, and how HUMANS participate in rites in order to practice these "magicks" with "on loan" power from devils, principalities, demons, aND fallen. The very fact that God says NOT to participate in it MEANS IT EXISTS.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do you think demons exist

Yup

Do you believe Christ was resurrected from death to Life?

Do you believe we will have a chance at such a transfiguration?

Yup

Why, then, is magick (with a k) so far-fetched, but you have faith in these other supernatural events?

For the same reason I don't believe in faeries, unicorns, and the various gods of pagan religions.

That I believe in Jesus Christ doesn't mean that I have to believe in Dionysus or Quetzalcoatl. That's not how this whole Christian thing works.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[tatteredsoul]

Yup



Yup



For the same reason I don't believe in faeries, unicorns, and the various gods of pagan religions.

That I believe in Jesus Christ doesn't mean that I have to believe in Dionysus or Quetzalcoatl. That's not how this whole Christian thing works.

-CryptoLutheran

Well, that is your choice. I am just saying what I know, and what I have personally seen and experienced, especially concerning the OP question.

I didn't ask for vindication.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I assume you mean the "Rock On!" symbol (or at least thats what I hear it called). TO me its just a symbol. Though my wife think its of the devil. None the less I never use it or care for it to begin with. I'm not saying all symbols are not a big deal, some are. I wouldn't go around wearing a penetrgram or a nazi symbol (despite what it meant before then):

Back in the day, it did symbolize the horns of a bull. If we thought someone was "stringing us a line" we would make this symbol, pointing the horns at the person with an implied Bull-Cookies.

 

[ewq1938]

Lifitng up our hands in prayer is scriptural but making devil horns is not.

The Lamb has horns too.