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What Does God Say On Suicide?

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Recently, I was talking to someone...who was talking about killing themselves. They are really strong Christian, but they are stuck and at this point in their life where nothing else really matters and they no longer want to be on this Earth.

What verses do I give them? What is God's thoughts on suicide?
 

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Do no murder, is one commandment. Self murder is obviously wrong.

But Samson killed himself and God even helped him to do it, so who knows?

I've considered it myself at times. But never given in to the urge, despite it being the best choice. All you can do is listen and if they're serious, alert the authorities and leave the rest up to whatever happens.

The authorities failed last time.
 
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Well killing oneself out of self-grief would appear to be in line with what Judas Iscariot (the betrayer of Jesus did), and his fate is apparently not one we would want to share in...

And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishopric let another take.
<-----> Acts 1:15-20
 
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The authorities failed last time.

A little secret: If someone is dead set on doing it, NO ONE can stop him or her from doing it. What stopped me is that I actually like life, despite everything about it being rubbish.

If you can find the "why" you can bear almost any "how" Nietszche said.
 
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A little secret: If someone is dead set on doing it, NO ONE can stop him or her from doing it. What stopped me is that I actually like life, despite everything about it being rubbish.

If you can find the "why" you can bear almost any "how" Nietszche said.

So, I'll fail again.
 
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Well killing oneself out of self-grief would appear to be in line with what Judas Iscariot (the betrayer of Jesus did), and his fate is apparently not one we would want to share in...

And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.
For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.
For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishopric let another take.
<-----> Acts 1:15-20

So, he did go to Hell. I've always wondered that.

I gave her that verse...she says she doesn't care
 
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Hey Choaticfirefly,

I have been in some really dark places in my life, but I haven't personally dealt with being tempted to commit suicide. But I felt as though you are in real need of scripture and prayer so I quickly googled some scripture for you that I hope would help.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. (NIV)

1 Corinthians 3:17

17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple. (NIV)

Why does your friend feel stuck?

I'm praying for you and your friend....
 
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Life can feel unbearable. Sometimes internal stress is worse than realities, and sometimes we are able to rise above them. If you think about it, humans are amazingly resilient -- they get through tornadoes and fires and war, and are able to start again.

Some of those disturbances take a lot out of us, and put us into a state of shock or despair. Less visible things can also make us feel that way -- lack of sleep or nutrients, rejection, deaths of friends, no hope in sight.

The Bible shows a few instances of people who felt so utterly exhausted that they wished to die. The Bible does not show this in a condemning matter, but simply records it as history. I don't know if it's helpful to show, unless the person is overcome with guilt for wanting to die.

Numbers 11:13 (Moses said) Where can I get meat for all these people? They keep wailing to me, 'Give us meat to eat!' I cannot carry all these people by myself; the burden is too heavy for me. If this is how you are going to treat me, put me to death right now - if I have found favor in your eyes - and do not let me face my own ruin."
Solomon's Ecclesiastes shows discouraged emotions... the Psalms show David and others feeling so much rejection that their lives were continually threatened. Saul asked to be killed, Elijah wanted to die, Jonah ran from a calling in a self-destructive way, and later asked God to die when things felt unfair.

As a Christian, there are other issues to consider. If a suicide leaves children parent-less or friends mourning, it becomes a selfish decision. You are already grieving the possibility, as a friend. I have heard people speak of doing it out of spite, to prove to an oppressor how bad their treatment was. To make them hurt. We all know that spite doesn't solve problems, but it can feel like it will.

You can offer verses on love and endurance and faith, but that may seem insensitive.

They may also speak of suicide to get people to think through their actions. (Boyfriends wanting to die if a girl rejects them, children resentful of parents.) They may say things like, "If you break up with me I will die," and manipulate the relationship. As Christians, we are told to forgive 70x7. Not let the sun go down on our anger.

Teens who are worried about pregnancy sometimes feel it's easier to die than to face their parents with the truth. Or unemployed get stuck in ruts where they are unable to see solutions beyond the norm -- it is easier to give up than to move to another city or try something that's unconventional. People feel very trapped and lose a sense of hope. The Bible tells us to put our trust in God, and hold fast to faith. It sounds easy in prose, but takes effort and God's help.

And then there are people who feel a burst of heroism will solve a problem -- as if death prevents others from suffering. Samson's death was similar to this, as his suicide also killed enemies. Judges 16

Paul dealt sensibly with this wish to get out of this evil world.

I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; But it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.
As for your friend, it's important that they feel supported and heard. Be there for them, and put yourself into a similar timeless mindset where real worth is long-term investment in others. If you feel manipulated, encourage a few friends to come around them.
 
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more than one bad day, I suppose. She hasn't told me why, only that she's tired of living and just can't take 'it' anymore. What 'it' is, I don't know. Thank you...
It sounds like she wants to talk about it, even if she says she doesn't. Set up an environment where she can-- evidently there are some problems she feel she can't solve, and sometimes talking about it shakes up possibilities.

Have you ever heard Joyce Meyer speak? She was abused continually by her father while she was growing up -- imagine how trapped a person must feel in a situation like that. But she was able to turn her life into something much more powerful than would make sense to anyone so confined and limited by their abuser.
 
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The reason why I asked is because I had a friend who passed away because she commited suicide. She was a strong Catholic, and I admired her for her faith and kindness a lot. She would go to old peoples home to play the piano and offer the eucharist to people who where to frail to go to Church, she had held scripture classes in public school, she started a charity at 19 which is still running today, and was loved by many people. She was studying medicine because she wanted to reform mental illness.

She didn't lacked faith, she wasn't thinking only of her self, and she had good visions for her future. The reason I believe she passed away and so did the Priest and her family was because of mental illness. She was a long suffering victim of clinical depression. My advice based on my personal experience is to ask your friend to see a professional for help. She is obviously reaching out for help because she disclosed to you her very intimate thoughts.

It is always wise to ask God for discernment. I believe people go through emotional and mental anguish due to a number of things. It requires discernment to know what the caused it, and God's wisdom and help to break.

You are this persons good friend. Keep praying, equip yourself with God's word, and send edifying SMS messages, and let her know that she is loved.
 
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Evamore, sorry to hear about your friend. So sad.
She didn't lacked faith, she wasn't thinking only of her self, and she had good visions for her future. The reason I believe she passed away and so did the Priest and her family was because of mental illness.
This is important to remember. People even go through temporary spells where it feels like life will never change -- like after a death or great loss.

A lot of people get despair in hormonal rhythms, where worries seem very real, and then go away in days. Up to 9% of women endure severe depression in cycles. Look at some of the descriptions of menopause-- depression is practically in the definition. It might be worth bringing this up to her -- it sometimes doesn't occur to us.

Medications can lead to suicidal thoughts, so make sure she's reading the label of anything she's taking. These side effects can feel very real.

There are also things like fevers/viruses that throw off normal thinking patterns. Brain fog from mold spores, candida... all sorts of things.
 
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Evamore-more than one bad day, I suppose. She hasn't told me why, only that she's tired of living and just can't take 'it' anymore. What 'it' is, I don't know. Thank you...

Prayer and fasting can be a good way to facilitate "dying", without "killing oneself".

One should study up on first.

There is a forum on the topic here -

Fasting - Christian Forums
 
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Samson committed suicide and nobody would dare accuse Samson of being lost.

And Judas committed suicide, yet Jesus said Judas will be in heaven.

Judas NEVER condemned Jesus, in fact Judas claimed Jesus was the true Son of God!

Some points for you to realise:

1. Judas repented and declared Jesus innocent and confessed his sin.

2. Judas fulfilled God's Will.

3. Judas had a very important job in the Kingdom of God. For three and one half years, as a Priest he inspected the Lamb of God as an unbiased man. He was not "one of them" a Galilean. He was the outsider. He did his job perfectly. If Judas really wanted to mess things up, he could have agreed with the High Priesthood and called Him a "blasphemer" who claimed to be the Son of God when He really wasn't.

4. Judas declared the Lamb spotless and unblemished, the Perfect Passover.

5. And hours before Judas Iscariot left the room at the Last Supper, Jesus said they will ALL drink with Jesus in heaven, Matthew 26:29, so Jesus was either lying or telling the truth, and of course Jesus told the truth, so that means Judas Iscariot will be in heaven because Jesus said so!

6. Prior to the betrayal, Judas' only recorded sin was stealing from the money box. The other 11 apostles had accounts recorded of them of sins which included unbelief, lust for position and power, not being mindful of the things of the spirit but of man, all the disciples left Him, Peter denied Him 3 times in one night, falsely condemning people to fire when Jesus said He came to save, etc. Yet would anyone dare claim Peter and the other disciples were lost?

7. Judas was doing the will of the Father by turning Jesus over to the authorities to be sacrificed on our behalf! Never forget that! And anyone who does the will of the Father is blessed (Matt. 12:50). And don't forget, Peter denied Jesus over and over and the other Disciples also sinned terrible against Jesus! Sin is sin and deserves death, but by the grace of God, we are spared death and have the opportunity for eternal life.

8. And remember, Judas was remorseful, and only committed suicide out of his sheer sadness. Remember, Jesus picked Judas out of a crowd to be considered one of the 12 apostles, he didn&#8217;t weasel his way in, Jesus picked him.

God bless.
 
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Sorry TruthSeeker2012, I don't entirely agree with your thoughts. Your post is leaving an uneasy feeling on me, because what I think what your saying is that suicide is not a sin?

Can you please clarify, or provide other scripture.

I think it is a sin to commit suicide.

"If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are" (1Corinthians 3:17)."
 
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I would recommend finding them help locally. Speak with a preist, doctor, police. anyone you can think of.

The fact that this person told you their thoughts shows me that they are reaching out. If someone wants to die they do, if they want help or someone to speak to, they tell someone else. Thats not to say they wont go through with it, but it means they are throwing you a life line.

This is a very critical time. Every situation is different on how that person came to feel that despair. I wish I could tell you how to get them out of it. Just keep trying, dont give up.

On the law side of it, I saw someone post about contacting authorities, and while that can be helpful, I know from my expereince as an officer, all the person has to do is tell the doctor that they dont want to harm themselves and they let them go. In Missouri you can get a 96 hour mental commit from a judge, but they are difficult, you have to prove they will hurt themselves. Unfortunately police cannot always be there 24/7.

Sadly I have worked alot of these, and sometimes it doesnt matter what you do. Again I would just stress try everything you can think of, and be urgent about it!
 
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