WHAT ARE THE "WATCHERS" ?

[Starcrystal]

In Daniel 4:13 - 23 there are beings that appear that are called "Watchers."

There are a lot of different interpretations as to what these are. Some think they're angels, or angels in a separate class, as guardians. Others think they are fallen angels....(What? )
Some believe they are beings here to watch over humanity, for whatever reason.

I found this to say about them on
http://www.realmscape.org/otherkin_angelic.htm

"Of Watchers there are many; Watchers who choose neither the path of light or dark; Watchers who, like Guardians are moved towards more religious influences - where the religious influences do not denote a specific type of religious belief (meaning any one or combination of religions).

Traditionally the more known Watcher mythos come from the Middle East cultures. In Egypt, the Egyptians wrote that they came from Ta-Ur, the "foreignland." The Egyptian term "neteru" means guardians. In Hebrew the Watchers were a specific race of divine beings known as "nun resh ayin", or those who watch or those who are awake. The early books of the bible speak of "malachim", or angel, which literally translated means messenger. As recounted in the Dead Sea Scrolls, two-hundred Watchers descended on Ardis, the summit of Mount Hermon, placed in the most northerly region of Ancient Palestine. From here they descended and each took an earthly spouse. These unions produced children of extraordinary size, which were later equated with the lineage of the Grigori(malachim)."

So, with that said, does anyone care to comment on what or who these are?

 

[Michali]

According to the book of Enoch, the angels that were assigned to "watch over" humanity were called "Watchers". They eventually fall into lust with humanity. It's the same thing you mentioned, and is also written in the 6th chapter of Genesis.

 

[HeatherJay]

I think it refers to angels / celestial beings that are not confined to earthly bodies. I don't think the 'watchers' referred to are fallen. The passage describes them (or at least the first one) as 'holy'..."a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven". It seems to be referring to one being...a watcher who was holy, instead of a watcher AND a holy one.

I really don't know much about the significance of the passage. I mean, Daniel's describing what the king's dream means, but I'm lost on what the watchers are all about. Sounds like they're angels who just WATCH without interference...maybe to ensure that God's work is being done. Don't really know though.

Love, Heather

 

[LisaStar]

I'm the one who got Starcrystal thinking about the Watchers because I had a dream vision wherea lady told me she was a watcher. But she looked like a regular person. I started to ask about them on an email board I'm on. Someone thought they were fallen angels but I think they'r like Heather Jay said, angels who watch and maybe tell us things sometimes.

 

[Shekinahs]

What interest me is the last sentence of verse 18

"This is the dream that I, King Nebuchadnezzar, had. Now, Belteshazzar, tell me what it means, for none of the wise men in my kingdom can interpret it for me. But you can, because the spirit of the holy gods is in you."

Now that's worth some thought.

I think the watchers are messenger angels.

 

[Starcrystal]

We must understand Nebuchadnezzer was a "pagan" at least prior to his meeting Daniel. He percieved "the spirit of the holy gods" in Daniel because thats how someone in the Babylonian religion would percieve us. He DID recognise them as "holy" though.
Daniel had the Holy Spirit who inspired him with wisdom, knowledge, and the gift of dream interpretation.

I agree "Watchers" are probably a class of messenger angels. We just don't hear much about them, and after what LisaStar told me, I was interested to find out how people here percieved them.

PS: I also agree with Heather, that Watchers are a type of angel that does not interfere, but may rather report back to God what they see. (Even though God sees himself, he still employs angels to do his service.)

 

[Shekinahs]

We must understand Nebuchadnezzer was a "pagan" at least prior to his meeting Daniel. He percieved "the spirit of the holy gods" in Daniel because thats how someone in the Babylonian religion would percieve us. He DID recognise them as "holy" though.

As we say in the Baptist church "fix up rev. fix it up"

 

[Michali]

What interest me is the last sentence of verse 18

Now that's worth some thought.

Actually, Daniel will later confront the king and tell him of the "one true God" before he interprets the kings dream. I believe so. I remember reading it a little while back, and noticed that.

 

[HeatherJay]

Actually, Daniel will later confront the king and tell him of the "one true God" before he interprets the kings dream. I believe so. I remember reading it a little while back, and noticed that.

Yes, I think you're right. Daniel does explain to the king that his ability to interpret dreams is a gift from the one true God. It's Daniel's adherrence to his faith in one God that gets him thrown into the lion's den.

Love, Heather

 

[Serapha]

HI there,




It is a chauldean expression, not of two, but one angel, both a watcher (guardian) and a holy one. That section of Daniel is aramaic, not Hebrew as most of the Old Testament was.



~serapha~

 

[LisaStar]

In The end verses of Daniel 4 and in verse 37 the king acknowledges God.