WATER BAPTISMS VS HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM..which one is right?

[billywhizz]

[Stinker]Amazing as it sounds to us today, Paul battled situations where the only knowledge of water baptism by those desiring to follow him was the baptism in the name of John. (Acts 19:1-5)

it does not actually say , in the name of john
Act 19:3 and he said unto them, `To what, then, were ye baptized?' and they said, `To John's baptism.' KJV

Johns baptism was water!​

There was the problem of Gospel preachers going all over preaching and (more than likely) baptizing new converts in the name of John. (Acts 18:24-26)

likewise water, johns baptism of repentance acts19

So when the Apostle Paul penned Eph.4:5 about there being only one baptism he was implying that the only valid baptism is the one performed in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Mt.28:19) In other words, performed by their authority, or Christ's authority because it is a sign that one is His or Their disciple.

One baptism, means one baptism. The Holy Spirit Baptism, that baptises us into the body of Christ

Please be aware that the portion of (Mk.16:9-20) does not stand up in scholarly debate. It is my own belief that how this ended up in our New Testament today is because of the earlier Catholic Church trying to scare people into getting baptized into the Catholic Church).

Even though I used to be a member of a church that taught that their was no remission of sins outside of their corporate 'body' or 'church' and the only way into it is through water baptism, I believe it was the early Catholic Church that came up with this concept.

Iam aware of that, but thanks. Ihave used it because others do, in general anyway.Where it came from i have no idea, but i would not be surprised if you were right

There is only one baptism

Joh 1:26 John answered them, saying, `I baptize with water, but in midst of you he hath stood whom ye have not known, this one it is who is coming after me, who hath been before me,

Joh 1:27 of whom I am not worthy that I may loose the cord of his sandal.'

Joh 1:28 These things came to pass in Bethabara, beyond the Jordan, where John was baptizing,

Joh 1:29 on the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, `Lo, the Lamb of God, who is taking away the sin of the world;

Joh 1:30 this is he concerning whom I said, After me doth come a man, who hath come before me, because he was before me:

Joh 1:31 and I knew him not, but, that he might be manifested to Israel, because of this I came with the water baptizing.

Joh 1:32 And John testified, saying--`I have seen the Spirit coming down, as a dove, out of heaven, and it remained on him;

Joh 1:33 and I did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water, He said to me, On whomsoever thou mayest see the Spirit coming down, and remaining on him, this is he who is baptizing with the Holy Spirit;

Water baptisms and other rituals are a shadow of what we have in Christ. Just believe, and he will baptise, that is all you have to do, BELIEVE.
Its funny, but we all know this, and yet, we still seem to want to hang onto a ritual

May God be with you all, we are all just learning

rob

 

[Strong in Him]

Water baptisms and other rituals are a shadow of what we have in Christ. Just believe, and he will baptise, that is all you have to do, BELIEVE.
Its funny, but we all know this, and yet, we still seem to want to hang onto a ritual

In most of the church it is a holy Sacrament, not just a ritual. And as it is something that was practised, commanded and submitted to by our Lord himself, I really don't understand why you want to make it of so little importance.

 

[billywhizz]

Strong in Him]In most of the church it is a holy Sacrament, not just a ritual

holy sacrament by who? God or man? It is not taught in the bible, sorry!

. And as it is something that was practised, commanded and submitted to by our Lord himself, I really don't understand why you want to make it of so little importance.

Jesus was baptised to fulfill the law and all righteousness. Being under the Law himself, he had to. We howerver, are Gentiles, and as such, are not under the Law.

Jesus himself did not actually do the water baptisms, his disciples did.
He did not command us to be baptised in water, but to be baptised by the Holy Spirit, as John the baptist said He would.

The importance is to realise that we rely totally on Jesus as our saviour, his righteousness and not ours, for we have none. We are there for to be baptised into his body.

1cor12.13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether webe Jews or Gentiles, whether webe bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit

If Jesus is the Lord of the Holy Spirit baptism,should not churches focus on the one that was promised?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?



Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Now do we truly believe in Jesus or not!?
Jesus was baptised in water to fulfill the law,mat3, read the above in connection with it.

thanks
rob

 

[Strong in Him]

Jesus was baptised to fulfill the law and all righteousness. Being under the Law himself, he had to. We howerver, are Gentiles, and as such, are not under the Law.

The Son of God - who was present when the law was written, and who was the fulfilment of the law - HAD to submit to it?? HAD to? Why did he not submit to the ritual handwashing, or offer sacrifices then, and why did he heal on the sabbath?
John's Gospel says;

"After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent time with them, and baptised."

Even if you argue that this does not really mean what it says, or is somehow wrong, you have acknowledged that his disciples baptised. Why did Jesus allow it? Why didn't he say "well that's not really necessary now I'm here."? In fact not only did he not say that, he told them to keep up the practice. Yes I know you want to argue that the verse in Matthew does not apply to water baptism, but there is nothing to suggest this. The early disciples continued to baptise in water and people continued to be blessed and filled with the Spirit. It is still the same today - water baptism is not a sin, shameful or pointless. Although if you can find me some well documented examples of where the Lord has rebuked, or wiith held a blessing from, anyone because they followed this practice, I might think again.

There IS one baptism - into the name of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Water baptism does NOT invalidate Spirit baptism and is not inferior to it. We do not have to choose between them - most believers have experienced both.

 

[billywhizz]

Strong in Him]The Son of God - who was present when the law was written, and who was the fulfilment of the law - HAD to submit to it?? HAD to? Why did he not submit to the ritual handwashing, or offer sacrifices then, and why did he heal on the sabbath?

Quite right. Wrong wording. Underlined below. Interesting point as to whether or not he kept all the laws or not as you rightly said about the sabbath. It seems he was living as a christian!?


Mat 3:14 But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now :for thus it become thus to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


John's Gospel says;


"After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent time with them, and baptised."

Even if you argue that this does not really mean what it says, or is somehow wrong, you have acknowledged that his disciples baptised. Why did Jesus allow it? Why didn't he say "well that's not really necessary now I'm here."? In fact not only did he not say that, he told them to keep up the practice. Yes I know you want to argue that the verse in Matthew does not apply to water baptism, but there is nothing to suggest this

More were being baptised by Jesus than John, the jews were going to question him about this and he left. why? He was firstly showing that he was the messiah and not as John as some were being to think, but he then he left, why? Why did he not stay and say that it was right to baptise in water to the jews [using your analogy]
read canawedding jh2 that will help explain a lot.
Mat28 by the way, there is nothing to suggest that it is water other than the fact that you think it is because they started baptising in water, which is what i used to believe.

. The early disciples continued to baptise in water and people continued to be blessed and filled with the Spirit. It is still the same today - water baptism is not a sin, shameful or pointless. Although if you can find me some well documented examples of where the Lord has rebuked, or wiith held a blessing from, anyone because they followed this practice, I might think again.

After acts 8/10/11 there is no water baptisms peformed. They are from then on spiritual. Does that even without scripture not make sense? Before everything was physicall, like circumsion, sacrifices, but now it is spiritual, baptised into one body by one spirit. Does that not feel right, does the spirit not tell you that? I really wish i could give you rock solid proof, but im afraid i cant. Pray and let the spirit lead you, keep an open mind.

 

[thanksb2god]

Well since that Jesus was baptized in water and we asr baptized with the holy Spirit I think that they both are ok.

 

[Strong in Him]

After acts 8/10/11 there is no water baptisms peformed. They are from then on spiritual. Does that even without scripture not make sense? Before everything was physicall, like circumsion, sacrifices, but now it is spiritual, baptised into one body by one spirit. Does that not feel right, does the spirit not tell you that? I really wish i could give you rock solid proof, but im afraid i cant. Pray and let the spirit lead you, keep an open mind.

Apart from Acts 16, when the jailer and his whole family are baptised. In 1 Corinthians Paul says that he baptised Gaius, Crispus and the family of Stephanus, and couldn't remember if there had been any others who were baptised by him. Paul's visit to Corinth is not mentioned till Acts 18. In his first letter, Peter talks about people being saved through the waters of baptism, which is "not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge (or response) of a good conscience towards God." (1 Peter 3: 20-22) And that aside, just because the New Testament does not document all instances of water baptism, doesn't mean that they didn't happen. The NT does not mention every single person who became a believer, but people were still being converted. The NT does not mention every believer who spoke in tongues, or performed a miracle, or preached the Gospel or suffered for it, but these things undoubtedly went on.
No, your reasoning does not "seem right", because it's not correct.

Water baptism has been performed by believers ever since NT times. I'm sure early church history will document this fact.Baptism by immersion has meant a lot to hundreds of new converts and marked the start of their walk with Christ. Others have come into the church when their children were being "done", stayed, and found faith themselves. If it is wrong, or somehow suspect, why is God still blessing those who practice and receive it? And, to be honest, what do you expect us to do about it anyway - repent of our obedience to God?

 

[billywhizz]

1 Corinthians 11

1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Paul said follow MY EXAMPLE

1cor10 1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

note the ones in the cloud were baptised NOT the ones in the water. What happened to the ones in the water?

1cor117For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

NOT sent to baptise.

1cor12.12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink

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one spirit to drink, the living waters jh4

acts22.16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.'

What with water? NO! water cannot wash away sins, we all know that, the Spirit is the one that washes away and sanctifies us. The living water.The baptism is REAL! We really are baptised into Christ. It is not some phony fake baptism of water. ITS REAL.

mk10.38"You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said. "Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?" 39"We can," they answered. Jesus said to them, "You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared."

note: 'will', it was yet to happen, because the spirit had not yet been given, so not water!

acts 19."Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?"
They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit."
3So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism," they replied. 4Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5On hearing this, they were baptized into[b] the name of the Lord Jesus. 6When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[c] and prophesied. 7There were about twelve men in all.

bareing in mind that there were NO punctutations, commas,fullstops,periods, chapters verses, in the originall scriptures, then the underlined could read like this:
5On hearing this they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus when Paul placed his hands on them the Holy Spirit came on them,

ie; the baptism happend when paul placed his hands on them

rom6.4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life

Its a REAL baptism, SPIRITUAL, not fake water!

eph43Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

col2.12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead

jh1. 29The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world

see acts22 above

jh1.'The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.' 34I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God."

1jh1. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.

not water

gal4.6Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba,[a] Father." 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.

eph1.13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

2thess2. 13But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

lk12.50But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed

not water, already done. On the cross

gal2 11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.

14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

"customs", circumsion, could it also be water baptims, were they not a custom?

15"We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners' 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. 17"If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.

10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith


I hope some of this helps. I hope you can see that it is a real baptism that we undergo not a fake one that gets you wet. We are baptised in the Spirit into Christ.
All for the Glory of God and the Lord Jesus Christ
rob

 

[Strong in Him]

NOT sent to baptise.

Paul's primary task in the church was evangelism, not baptism. He still baptised people. (See verses immediately preceeding the one you have just quoted.)

I am still at a loss as to why it is so important to you to disprove water baptism. We had two baptisms at church today, it was a beautiful service. Would you have refused to go to such a service, or stood up in the middle to say that this baptism wasn't really valid?

I'm afraid that trying to argue that water baptism is not scriptural or a "proper" baptism is rather pointless. The Son of God submitted to it, his disciples, and maybe he himself, practiced it and it has been a tradition in the church ever since. It is an outward expression of repentance and faith, and something that God blesses greatly. Why is this a problem?

 

[billywhizz]

Please use the link below, its about water baptisms and why we should not do them. It explains it far better than i ever could.

http://www.bethelministries.com/baptism.htm
yours rob

 

[Strong in Him]

Please use the link below, its about water baptisms and why we should not do them. It explains it far better than i ever could.

http://www.bethelministries.com/baptism.htm
yours rob

It explains why the author thinks that water baptism is wrong, and the Scriptures he quotes to back up his beliefs. But how many clergy and theologians accept his interpretation? None that I know. And having looked at some of the other articles on his site - how does he know that the vast majority of Catholics have not repented of their sins - and his judgemental views on contraception, I don't feel inclined to accept it either.

He is correct in saying that water baptism does not save, I think most people here have said that. The question remains though, what about believers who have already been baptised in water? Do we have to have a ceremony of repentance and renounciation? Do we stand up in our churches - which the author of this site doesn't think we should belong to any more anyway - and say that although baptism was a Scriptural practice, we did it in faith and obedience to the Lord who was calling us to be baptised, and it was a time of blessing and rejoicing, that it was in fact wrong, and that we were deceived?

Of course it's not wrong. It doesn't save, and it is faith in the Lord Jesus alone that gets us to heaven. Even baptism can be undertaken without any real belief of repentance by the follower. But there is nothing wrong with a born again, spirit filled believer going through the waters of baptism. If there were, the Lord wouldn't call people to do it, or bless it.

 

[Simonline]

It says in eph4 that there is only one baptism. That being the case, the question is which one, Holy spirit or water?

As there is only one, then one of them is obviously not needed or possibly worse!

No where in the bible are we commanded to be baptised in water! John the baptists baptism was a baptism of repentance acts19 and in water, BUT after that he said that one would come mightier than he, and He would baptise in the Holy spirit.

Jesus himself was baptised in water to fulfill the law and all righteousness mat3.
Mk 16.15-16 says he who believes AND is baptised will be saved, so baptism IS IMPORTANT, but paul said that he had been sent not to baptise but to preach the gospel.

What do we conclude from this? The baptism of water is now obsolete and it it the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Truth that we now have and need not water!

We must rely on Jesus and his righteousness for we have none. All things are a shadow of the things to come.

Though there are one or two tricky verses to contend with, any takers???

billywhhiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Nothing could be further from the Truth. Baptism in water (along with repentence from dead works, belief in the Life, Death and Resurrection of the Messiah and reception of the Holy Spirit) is an integral part of initiation into the Christian faith. See: The Normal Christian Birth by David Pawson, available online from www.anchor-recordings.com (UK) or www.Goodseed.org (USA) or from your local Christian bookstore or public lending library.

Simonline.

 

[Simonline]

Very simple. The "one baptism" of Ephesians 4:5 which is the Spirit baptism of 1Cor.12:13, which is a "dry-cleaning."

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

No. The 'one baptism' of Eph.4 is a reference to Christian credo-baptism, (i.e. believers baptism into Christ) to distinguish it from other baptisms ('mikvah') which were/are not specifically Christian (such as proselyte baptism of Gentiles into the Jewish faith, John's 'baptism of repentence' (which is why John's disciples had to be re-baptized into Christ (Acts.19:1-7)), as well as sacral 'psudo-Christian' infant baptisms (all those who have only received psudo-Christian paedo-baptism also need to receive Christian credo-baptism on the same principle)).

Both baptism in water and baptism in Spirit are ligitimate Christian baptisms (which is why the Ephesians (former disciples of John the Baptist) received both (Acts.19:1-7)).

It is the entire 'package' of salvation (including Christian baptism) which saves us and not just any one component part in isolation from the rest (Titus.3:5).

Baptism in water does save us but certainly not by the Catholic principle of 'ex opere operato'. [If you want to know what that means then read the book to which I have referred above.]

Simonline.

 

[billywhizz]

Nothing could be further from the Truth. Baptism in water (along with repentence from dead works, belief in the Life, Death and Resurrection of the Messiah and reception of the Holy Spirit) is an integral part of initiation into the Christian faith. See: The Normal Christian Birth by David Pawson, available online from www.anchor-recordings.com (UK) or www.Goodseed.org (USA) or from your local Christian bookstore or public lending library.

Simonline.

hi simonline

have seen david pawsons vid when i used to beieve in water baptisms myself. Now i know that i and indeed he, was wrong.

thanks annyway

rob

 

[billywhizz]

No. The 'one baptism' of Eph.4 is a reference to Christian credo-baptism, (i.e. believers baptism into Christ) to distinguish it from other baptisms ('mikvah') which were/are not specifically Christian (such as proselyte baptism of Gentiles into the Jewish faith, John's 'baptism of repentence' (which is why John's disciples had to be re-baptized into Christ (Acts.19:1-7)), as well as sacral 'psudo-Christian' infant baptisms (all those who have only received psudo-Christian paedo-baptism also need to receive Christian credo-baptism on the same principle)).

Both baptism in water and baptism in Spirit are ligitimate Christian baptisms (which is why the Ephesians (former disciples of John the Baptist) received both (Acts.19:1-7)).

It is the entire 'package' of salvation (including Christian baptism) which saves us and not just any one component part in isolation from the rest (Titus.3:5).

Baptism in water does save us but certainly not by the Catholic principle of 'ex opere operato'. [If you want to know what that means then read the book to which I have referred above.]

Simonline.

hi again
the baptism of John the baptist was water for repentance for the Jews, which is who Jesus had come to.
Hence it is not for us as we are not Jews but Gentiles.

 

[Strong in Him]

And what's more, in the article on this site, this man says that Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. (Matthew 15v24) However he fails to take note of the context of this verse. The disciples asked Jesus to send a gentile woman - who was asking for healing for her daughter - away - her persistent crying was obviously bothering them. Jesus gave the above reply. This did not deter the woman who approached him personally to ask for help; even Jesus' subsequent answer did not put her off. Result? Jesus comended her for her faith, and healed her daughter. He did not say "I have only been sent to Israel, so tough luck," he gave her what she asked for. Jesus also revealed to a Samaritan woman that he was the Messiah, said that the faith of a Roman centurion was greater than the faith he had seen in Israel, and healed other non Jews.

If the author quoted the above verse in an attempt to show that Jesus was not bothered with gentiles, which would give weight to his argument that the church only began to take notice of them after the incident with Cornelius, then he's failed.

 

[SPALATIN]

In the Nicene Creed we read

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Nicene Creed[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.[/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spake by the Prophets. And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.I acknowledge one Baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.[/font]

This Baptism is both of Water and Spirit. When God's name is attached to the element of Water it then becomes his Holy Water with which we then pour or sprinkle on an infant because Baptism is not something we do but it is what God does.

 

[billywhizz]

This Baptism is both of Water and Spirit. When God's name is attached to the element of Water it then becomes his Holy Water with which we then pour or sprinkle on an infant because Baptism is not something we do but it is what God does.

Hi
if the baptism was both water and spirit, you would have two not one eph4.
The baptism is , you are correct, something that God does, that we can agree on. Are you then saying that he does the water as well?

Where does it say 'Holy Water'?

Yours in Christ
rob

 

[Strong in Him]

There is one baptism, in the name of God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We are baptised in his name as an outward sign that we have died to our sins and been born into his kingdom. WE initiate baptism in water, we go to the minister, or whoever, tell them that we have become a Christian and ask if we can be baptised, as a sign to us and the rest of the church that we now belong to him and are a member of his family.

It is only after we have this new life that GOD baptises us with His Holy Spirit. We don't initiate it this time, it's something he does. He doesn't baptise us in his name, because we are already his - he just fills us with himself. I wouldn't be surprised if this experience was referred to as Baptism in the Spirit because it describes being immersed in God, filled to overflowing with his love. Just as a person is immersed in water when they are baptised, they go right under and are submerged in it, so God fills us with his Spirit so that we are completely lost in him and in his love. John the Baptist said that he gave people this experience in water, Jesus would soon make it possible for people to be baptised into God himself.

One does not replace the other. Both are Biblical, and very beautiful and special experiences. God can baptise with his Spirit without a person having been baptised with water, and if a person is baptised in water at a later date, it does not invalidate what God has already been doing in his/her life. Just the opposite, it is a public declaration of it.

 

[Airdude]

Act 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

The texts above would certainly point to water baptism. We are called to use Christ as our example. He was baptised in water by John. I believe we should do likewise.