VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

[Oseas]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now or in this current time?

Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes, this is no coincidence, it was predicted millennia ago. He's a false messiah who will soon manifest, just ahead, with great signs of lying, he will manifest in Israel as a lamb with two horns, he's a Jew, of course, and he'll speak like a Dragon. Revelation 12.v.3 to 17 and Revelation 13:v. 11 to 18.

Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceedingly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

Remembering and understanding that the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt was not, without first having taken place a battle against Pharaoh (by the way, there and now is Satan himself), and when the march began for the departure of God's people from Egypt, then the enemy army persecuted the Hebrews, the same will happen now, initially the persecution will be by the man Beast of the sea, it is he who will first persecute the Christian believers - Revelation 13:v.5 - for 42 months, that is the first half of the last week, the week 70th Daniel 9:v.27. This POINT is only and only the half of the way -3,5 years or 42 months, the GOD's people will need to march more 3,5 years, so the murch will last 7 years, it will not be easy this journey of course.

Again: Let's get ready to go through this not easy FINAL journey of GOD's people here until the glorious, marvelous, and day of exceendigly joy - the day 1335. Amen.

JESUS in His prayer to the Father, said: John 17:v.15 - I pray not that thou take them out of the world, but that thou keep them from the evil.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:v.5

Get ready, yeah, get ready.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

They just refer to the dead martyrs and the144k, I am sure there are more believers than that alive now.

The verse which proves Christians will be here during the GT; the final 3 1/2 years of this age, is Revelation 12:17

This does not happen when Jesus Returns.
The Last trumpet call is for every person who has ever lived to rise and stand before God in Judgment. AFTER the Millennium. Rev 20:11-15

The dead in Christ are raptured pre-Trib to Heaven, starting in 1 Th 4:16.

In the five verses below about the GWTJ, four of them address the dead. Those aren’t the dead in Christ. Those are exclusively those who died in sin.

Rev 20:11-15 (NIV): Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had doneas recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hadesgave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[Oseas]

JESUS WILL RETURN AGAIN HERE IN THE SAME PLACE from where He ascended to the third heavenly environment and a CLOUD RECEIVED Him: Acts 1:10-11)-->10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen Him go into heaven.
yes, He will again return now IN LIKE MANNER to the same place from where He ascended, and He will reign and lead us in new celestial environment (Ephesians 1:3) by His power, for a period of 1.000 years, the SAME CLOUD also will appear again, understand?) , as it is revealed in Philippians 3:20-21: -->20 For our conversation is in heaven (heaven: Ephesians 1:3. Take a look.)-; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: 21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself. By the way, He made it very clear when He said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth-Matthew 28:18.

Get ready, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him-Matthew 25:6 - .

Get ready

Lets prayer

Unfortunately , there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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The world press has just announced the death of Benedict XVI. The current Pope Francis is also on the brink of death. Then must be elected the last Pope, and he will be the husband No. 266 (excluding Peter Apostle) of the Great harlot, the Roman Catholic Church. By the way, would be his religious nickname Paulus VII? I think so, because at the same time must manifest also another Beast, the Beast of earth-Revelation 13:11- a false lamb with two horns-(a false messiah/false prophet master of Torah), as was prophesied by Paul the Apostle, saying in -2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-5 and 9-12, as follow:

3 Let no MAN (Pastors, and Bichops, Evangelists, among others, angels of the Churches) deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who (will) opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God (he will) sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

With the election of the last Pope in this current decade, and the manifestation of the false and ruthless messiah in Israel as is above described, and ccording John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11-18, and Ezekiel 21:25, among other biblical references- , then will start the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27, until the total destruction of the current world of the Devil-Revelation 11:18.

Get ready, there will be soon two terrible Beasts reigning in the Earth, one in Rome and another in the holy city, Jerusalem, also spiritually called Egypt and Sodom. Yeah, get ready.

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Isaiah 26:20-21
20 - Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

21 - For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

• Jan 2, 2023

The election of the last Pope - Will be his religious nickname Paulus VII?

The world press has just announced the death of Benedict XVI. The current Pope Francis is also on the brink of death. Then must be elected the last Pope, and he will be the husband No. 266 (excluding Peter Apostle) of the Great harlot, the Roman Catholic Church. By the way, would be his religious...

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[keras]

We are pre-Trib raptured to Heaven where we are shown the Trib from the opening of seal #1, onward.

Totally wrong and not what the Bible says at all.
You just make guesses as to when your fable of a rapture to heaven, might happen.

As for the incredible idea of sitting in heaven watching the GT take place on earth, that is sheer stupidity.
How are you or any Christian alive today, better and more worthy that the Christians before now? They never escaped to heaven; why should you?

 

[Oseas]

Revelation 5:8-10
8 And when he had taken the book, the four living beings and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to GOD by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests:and WE shall reign on the earth.(JESUS said:Mat.5:5->Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth).

Revelation 11:15-18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8), saying,The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD
(world of Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (1Corinthians 15:24-27
24Then the END cometh, when He shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD,even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.)

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were (WILL be) angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 13:4 and 9
4 ...who is able to make war with him? ->with the Beast <-
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

Revelation 21:8
8 But the fearful(the COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?

Get ready

The time is of WAR

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

Totally wrong and not what the Bible says at all.
You just make guesses as to when your fable of a rapture to heaven, might happen.

As for the incredible idea of sitting in heaven watching the GT take place on earth, that is sheer stupidity.
How are you or any Christian alive today, better and more worthy that the Christians before now? They never escaped to heaven; why should you?

Rev 4 and all chapters after it, are in the future. Apostle John was shown the pre-Trib rapture. We will live it. That’s the simple truth. The pre-Trib rapture was shown to Apostle John.

When the rapture occurs, we will see all that happens from seal #1, forward.

 

[keras]

Revelation 21:8
8 But the fearful(the COWARDS), and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

You missed out 'fornicators' - that sin will thin out the ranks in the Victors heritage. Rev 21:7-8

There is no verse that sounds a trumpet for the GWTJ.

Explain then; how all the dead will be roused to stand before God?
It is only your intransigence and wrong beliefs that makes you think the trumpet call in 1 Cor 15:52, is before the final Judgment.
You seem incapable of knowing how the Trumpet call in that Prophecy must be for all the dead since Adam, as it is only after the Great White Throne Judgment, that Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4

 

[Oseas]

Actually all the nations, all the world of Devil, with all kind of structures they all have as a whole, yeah, all the nations are sufferring and will suffer catastrofic and insufferable punishments in this seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. Get ready.

By the way, the precedent period of tribulation, that is the period of sorrows -Matthew 24:3-8- is the beginning of the ETERNAL chastisement. In fact, the ETERNAL punishment of all nations it had a deadline to start, and the time arrived, understand?

Now, within this environment of punishments and pains, and the entire collapse of the Devil's world, the false messiah of the Jews, as you know, will manifest himself, as JESUS prophesied to the Jews, saying to them that an IMPOSTOR they will receive as their messiah-John 5:43-47, combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, and Revelation 13 :11-18, among other biblical references. Take a look.

Thus, in the midst of severe chastisement and great suffering in all nations due the wrath of the Lamb, we will soon see two Beasts reigning on Earth:
1 - the old Gentile Beast of the Sea;
2 - the Beast of the earth (earth here is Israel) who will still manifest himself, from then on will begin the period of the last week(of years), the 70th week Daniel 9:27, and each Beast will reign for 3.5 years-42 months-or 1260 days - and who will first rule the 5th and last kingdom of Satan-Daniel 2:41-44- is the old Gentile Beast of the sea, the main partner of the red Dragon-Revelation 12:3-4..

Then Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5 will begin to be LITERALLY fulfilled as to the first period of the last week, first half of the week 70th Daniel 9:27. The worst of all punishments will happen in the beginning of the 2nd half of the last week, with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1290 days-Daniel 12:v.11.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. ( Oh yes, blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335. Hallelujaaah!!! )

 

[keras]

Rev 4 and all chapters after it, are in the future. Apostle John was shown the pre-Trib rapture. We will live it. That’s the simple truth. The pre-Trib rapture was shown to Apostle John.

When the rapture occurs, we will see all that happens from seal #1, forward.

The simple truth is; you and millions have been deceived.
John did not go to live in heaven and he never said we would.

You fail to answer my question: How much better are you than the Christians who have been killed for their faith?

 

[Oseas]

You missed out 'fornicators' - that sin will thin out the ranks in the Victors heritage. Rev 21:7-8

I LITERALLY quoted what is written in the Bible.

 

[keras]

I LITERALLY quoted what is written in the Bible.

But as for the cowards, the faithless, the obscene, the murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators and liars of every kind, the lake that burns with sulphurous flames will be their portion and this is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 Revised English Bible.

Note: the NKJV does say; the sexually immoral......

 

[Oseas]

But as for the cowards, the faithless, the obscene, the murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolators and liars of every kind, the lake that burns with sulphurous flames will be their portion and this is the second death.
Revelation 21:8 Revised English Bible.

Note: the NKJV does say; the sexually immoral......

And 1 Corinthians 6:9-10KJV say:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of GOD? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of GOD.

And the Lord JESUS warned: Luke 21:34-36KJV:

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that Day(Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Lord JESUS said more: Matthew 13:40-43KJV

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the END of THIS WORLD. (1Corinthians 15:24-26)

41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels(mainly Michael), and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father(Revelation 11:15-18 and Daniel 12:3). Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[keras]

Therefore: all those who VOTE BELIEVE IN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE to heaven, need to qualify in all the above criteria, now.

Other scriptures do say the Lord is merciful and if we honestly repent, He will forgive. But that comes after Judgment and not before any kind of testing.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

There is no verse that sounds a trumpet for the GWTJ.

You are sure to always add to Scripture when any verse punches another hole in your unbiblical theories.

 

[keras]

You are sure to always add to Scripture when any verse punches another hole in your unbiblical theories.

I proved that the Last Trumpet must be blown to raise all the dead for the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Only then is Death no more. Rev 21:4.
Obviously people will die during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20 and how the enormous army is killed; Rev 20:9b

It is you who fails to plug up the holes in your foolish rapture theory.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

I proved that the Last Trumpet must be blown to raise all the dead for the Great White Throne Judgment; AFTER the Millennium.
Only then is Death no more. Rev 21:4.
Obviously people will die during the Millennium. Isaiah 65:20 and how the enormous army is killed; Rev 20:9b

It is you who fails to plug up the holes in your foolish rapture theory.

Where’s your proof of the trumpet sound for the GWTJ? Acts1:11, 1 Th 4:16-17 and 1 Cor 15:52 prove “the last trump” is sounded at the pre-Trib rapture.

There are no holes in the pre-Trib rapture. Paul wrote specifically about the pre-Trib timing of the rapture in 2 Th 2:1-3, in uncorrupted early Bibles. 1 Th 1:10 is validated as about the pre-Trib rapture by Ezekiel 14:21 and Rev 6:4. “Those who dwell on the earth” are proven to only be unbelievers in Rev 6:10. Rev 3:10 is thereby proven to also be about the pre-Trib rapture. Keras, the proof is there; you just won’t accept it. Jesus was the one talking in Ezekiel 14:21; He also was the one talking in Rev 4:1, Rev 3:10 and John 14:3. Jesus spoke about the pre-Trib rapture.

Rev 21:4 is about how many will feel when the NHNE come down. Underlying our joy will be the memories of lost relatives and friends. We will all have relatives and/or friends who never came to Christ. They are then lost in torment in the lake of fire. Will your lost relatives and friends not bring tears to your eyes?

 

[keras]

Where’s your proof of the trumpet sound for the GWTJ? Acts1:11, 1 Th 4:16-17 and 1 Cor 15:52 prove “the last trump” is sounded at the pre-Trib rapture.

You seem incapable of understanding any truths that contradict a rapture to heaven of the Church.
You simply ignore my posts that show the rapture to be wrong and cannot happen. Let me tell you; strong belief in anything does not ensure it will happen and the sad thing is, you and the millions of others fooled by the rapture theory, will have a hard time as events unfold as Prophesied.

Obviously you think you are good enough to go directly to heaven. That in itself is a sin; of pride.
I am sure the Lord will greatly reward anyone who renounces any false teachings. If only you could see how weak and unscriptural the idea of anyone going to heaven is and wonderful Blessings the Lord has for the faithful people who endure until the end.

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

You seem incapable of understanding any truths that contradict a rapture to heaven of the Church.
You simply ignore my posts that show the rapture to be wrong and cannot happen. Let me tell you; strong belief in anything does not ensure it will happen and the sad thing is, you and the millions of others fooled by the rapture theory, will have a hard time as events unfold as Prophesied.

Obviously you think you are good enough to go directly to heaven. That in itself is a sin; of pride.
I am sure the Lord will greatly reward anyone who renounces any false teachings. If only you could see how weak and unscriptural the idea of anyone going to heaven is and wonderful Blessings the Lord has for the faithful people who endure until the end.

What’s your proof that a trumpet is sounded at the GWTJ?

Jesus spoke of the pre-Trib rapture in Rev 3:10. “Those that dwell on the earth” are unbelievers (Rev 6:10 proves that). In Rev 3:10, we are kept from “the hour of trial that will try those who dwell on the earth.”

We are in Heaven upon the start of the Trib. Jesus says so in Rev 4:1.

All you do is deny the pre-Trib rapture. You never disprove it. Acts 1:9-11 prove the pre-Trib rapture is the next prophecy that will occur.

Prove me wrong!

 

[keras]

What’s your proof that a trumpet is sounded at the GWTJ?

The call for all the dead to rise and stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Paul says it in 1 Cor 15:50=56, his prophecy about that event.

Jesus spoke of the pre-Trib rapture in Rev 3:10. “Those that dwell on the earth” are unbelievers (Rev 6:10 proves that). In Rev 3:10, we are kept from “the hour of trial that will try those who dwell on the earth.”

You dwell on earth and there is no scripture that says you ever leave it.

We are in Heaven upon the start of the Trib. Jesus says so in Rev 4:1.

What pretentious nonsense!
Rev 4:1-2 just says how John was taken up to heaven, not bodily but in the Spirit. He did not go there to live there.

All you do is deny the pre-Trib rapture. You never disprove it. Acts 1:9-11 prove the pre-Trib rapture is the next prophecy that will occur.

Getting desperate now, aren't you?
None of your so called proofs, say there will be a 'rapture'.

I have posted the Alternative to the rapture, which proves that all the faithful Christian peoples will live in all of the holy Land.
THAT is our destiny and our great privilege!

 

[Jeffrey Bowden]

The call for all the dead to rise and stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Paul says it in 1 Cor 15:50=56, his prophecy about that event.

You dwell on earth and there is no scripture that says you ever leave it.

What pretentious nonsense!
Rev 4:1-2 just says how John was taken up to heaven, not bodily but in the Spirit. He did not go there to live there.

Getting desperate now, aren't you?
None of your so called proofs, say there will be a 'rapture'.

I have posted the Alternative to the rapture, which proves that all the faithful Christian peoples will live in all of the holy Land.
THAT is our destiny and our great privilege!

I am not desperate in the least. I know the truth.

There’s inference needed to see the rapture in Rev 3:10. Only “those who dwell on the earth” are subjected to the “the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.”

Do you understand that last quotation from Rev 3:10 (ESV)? The “hour of trial” will involve the whole world. The sole purpose of the “hour of trial” is to “try those who dwell on the earth.”

“Those who dwell on the earth” is a reference to unbelievers, only.

Here’s where the inference comes in: If the earth is populated only by “those who dwell on the earth,” then we are not on the earth. You see?

With Jesus doing the talking in Rev 3:10, I know from His earlier statements (John 14:2-3), that He will come back to take us to where He is. Jesus is in Heaven, and He will come back and take us to Heaven, all within the confines of Acts 1:9-11. That means He will come back, before the Trib, and take all the dead in Christ and we who are left, into Heaven, without any unbelievers able to see a thing.

Prove this inference is not valid.