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UMC Traditional vs Contemporary Worship: Which for Me?

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I know the answer would be to try both and see what fits, but ...

I plan on attending a UMC service this Sunday. Even though I am a member of TEC by birth, this particular UMC is very close to me geographically.

This church has two services: a "traditional" one at 8:00am and a "contemporary" one at 10:00am. What makes a service "contemporary?" I like hymns and a sense of quieter reverence - I assume this is the "traditional" service? I'm not into the "ecstatic" type of stuff - just not my thing. But, is that even what "contemporary" means within the UMC? I admit that if I were to show up to guitars and hand lifting I would feel uncomfortable.

That's just me. YMMV. (For reference, I'm a Rite I guy within TEC if you know what that means.)
 

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I know the answer would be to try both and see what fits, but ...

I plan on attending a UMC service this Sunday. Even though I am a member of TEC by birth, this particular UMC is very close to me geographically.

This church has two services: a "traditional" one at 8:00am and a "contemporary" one at 10:00am. What makes a service "contemporary?" I like hymns and a sense of quieter reverence - I assume this is the "traditional" service? I'm not into the "ecstatic" type of stuff - just not my thing. But, is that even what "contemporary" means within the UMC? I admit that if I were to show up to guitars and hand lifting I would feel uncomfortable.

That's just me. YMMV. (For reference, I'm a Rite I guy within TEC if you know what that means.)

Chances are that you'd prefer the traditional.

My experiences with the UMC are that there are no hymns and in some there was a loud band. I wouldn't know what you'll find at your local one of course.
 
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Sometimes the Contemporary service isn't even held in the Sanctuary, so there's that as a factor too. The order of worship in a Contemporary service tends to center around the music rather than the prayers or Scripture reading, and you could encounter anything from typical P&W fare to rearranged hymns.

Since the Contemporary service was introduced at our parish, which I think has been about 12 or 13 years now, it's gradually evolved from a Chapel service* held in the Sanctuary with the hymns swapped out for a praise band, to the one now held in the Fellowship Hall that's modeled more after a coffee shop environment with chairs and tables and a snack bar.

*pared-down Traditional service without the choir and some of the formalities like the wearing of vestments; sometimes called 'Casual'
 
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Contemporary usually means music. It means likely a lack of, or total abandonment of liturgy, and lots of loud music.

Done poorly: A band plays the latest Christian hits you hear on the radio while you try to follow along with the words on a projector screen, the book of worship is absent and liturgies are thrown away. (To add to the stereotype, the Pastor is probably in blue jeans, and has a soul patch).

Done excellently: A band plays modern music and hymns that are easy to follow along, maybe one modern Christian song as 'special music', and plays/sings in an 'accompaniment' format, instead of a 'concert' format, understanding that worship is about WORSHIP, not entertainment. (But even the old hymns were new once!). Liturgies are present but perhaps they'll drop certain age-old traditions like reciting creeds or using the old orders of worship. Liturgies are certainly used for communion, etc. You may still see the Pastor wearing a robe/alb and stole (not that I'm implying the robe/alb and stole makes 'excellent worship', just that you'd never see it in the 'bad contemporary' because there's a huge focus on trying to make it not look like church).

Traditional, again, in the UMC usually has to do with music. Old hymns, from the United Methodist Hymnal, or older books like the Cokesbury Worship Book.

Done poorly: "We've always done it that way". They use old liturgies and traditions reciting boringly and with no enthusiasm because that's the way it's always been. They don't have any theological or intentional reason behind it. The hymns are old and they'll never break out anything new because it's not what we've done before. They'll recite creeds that, despite reciting them thousands of times they haven't memorized because they are just boring-ly reciting them and not intentionally reading them and making any sort of oath. (But they won't stop doing it). The Pastor is definitely vested!

Done excellently: Liturgies appropriate for the season are used not as a sign of the way things always have been; but as a sign of ecumenicalism, heritage and structure. Older hymns are used and sung passionately, and new hymns are often introduced (whether old or new; but not necessarily 'contemporary' new. New hymns are written all the time). Vestments, dress and paraments used in the sanctuary and by the Pastor and whomever else is a part of worship are intentional and 'there for a reason', not just there because they've always been there. In the best examples of this, you could ask someone why a particular parament or decoration is there and they can tell you what it means instead of just telling you who donated it.




So, IMHO, there are 4 types of worship common in the UMC. Good traditional, bad traditional, good contemporary, and bad contemporary. You'll kind of have to visit the church to see which they have, and see what fits with you.

There's also a component called 'high church' and 'low church' that can be in contemporary or traditional. TEC is almost always 'high church', whereas most UMC congregations are 'low church'. Meaning that while we use liturgies, we don't follow a rigorous liturgical worship format that TEC does. You likely won't see any chasubles (if any vestments), a processional at the beginning may or may not happen, communion is not usually done at every service, and while there are readings and liturgies; even in a traditional worship setting it won't be as liturgy focused as TEC worship. We DO have high church worship UMC's, just not many.
 
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Contemporary usually means music. It means likely a lack of, or total abandonment of liturgy, and lots of loud music.

Done poorly: A band plays the latest Christian hits you hear on the radio while you try to follow along with the words on a projector screen, the book of worship is absent and liturgies are thrown away. (To add to the stereotype, the Pastor is probably in blue jeans, and has a soul patch).

Done excellently: A band plays modern music and hymns that are easy to follow along, maybe one modern Christian song as 'special music', and plays/sings in an 'accompaniment' format, instead of a 'concert' format, understanding that worship is about WORSHIP, not entertainment. (But even the old hymns were new once!). Liturgies are present but perhaps they'll drop certain age-old traditions like reciting creeds or using the old orders of worship. Liturgies are certainly used for communion, etc. You may still see the Pastor wearing a robe/alb and stole (not that I'm implying the robe/alb and stole makes 'excellent worship', just that you'd never see it in the 'bad contemporary' because there's a huge focus on trying to make it not look like church).

Traditional, again, in the UMC usually has to do with music. Old hymns, from the United Methodist Hymnal, or older books like the Cokesbury Worship Book.

Done poorly: "We've always done it that way". They use old liturgies and traditions reciting boringly and with no enthusiasm because that's the way it's always been. They don't have any theological or intentional reason behind it. The hymns are old and they'll never break out anything new because it's not what we've done before. They'll recite creeds that, despite reciting them thousands of times they haven't memorized because they are just boring-ly reciting them and not intentionally reading them and making any sort of oath. (But they won't stop doing it). The Pastor is definitely vested!

Done excellently: Liturgies appropriate for the season are used not as a sign of the way things always have been; but as a sign of ecumenicalism, heritage and structure. Older hymns are used and sung passionately, and new hymns are often introduced (whether old or new; but not necessarily 'contemporary' new. New hymns are written all the time). Vestments, dress and paraments used in the sanctuary and by the Pastor and whomever else is a part of worship are intentional and 'there for a reason', not just there because they've always been there. In the best examples of this, you could ask someone why a particular parament or decoration is there and they can tell you what it means instead of just telling you who donated it.




So, IMHO, there are 4 types of worship common in the UMC. Good traditional, bad traditional, good contemporary, and bad contemporary. You'll kind of have to visit the church to see which they have, and see what fits with you.

There's also a component called 'high church' and 'low church' that can be in contemporary or traditional. TEC is almost always 'high church', whereas most UMC congregations are 'low church'. Meaning that while we use liturgies, we don't follow a rigorous liturgical worship format that TEC does. You likely won't see any chasubles (if any vestments), a processional at the beginning may or may not happen, communion is not usually done at every service, and while there are readings and liturgies; even in a traditional worship setting it won't be as liturgy focused as TEC worship. We DO have high church worship UMC's, just not many.

Nice summary. My former church was an example of contemporary done poorly and loudly. My current church is traditional done well.
 
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Nice summary. My former church was an example of contemporary done poorly and loudly. My current church is traditional done well.

Perhaps I'm being a bit too pretentious but it's been my experience that far too many churches are on one extreme or another. Either they are traditional because "It's always been that way" and they sing dusty old hymns with zero passion and will entertain absolutely nothing new. OR they are a loud, boisterous contemporary music church that doesn't facilitate corporate worship; and instead establishes a format of sitting in the pews and being entertained for an hour; with difficult to follow songs sung very loudly by a loud band.

My personal preference is a liturgical blended (liturgical in nature but with both older hymns and modern contemporary music, all done in the spirit of corporate worship not 'putting on a show') format. But I think the most important thing, no matter what the style of worship, is that it's done intentionally (there's a reason behind whatever you are doing), that it's done thematically (everything makes 'sense' and fits with the theme of worship, whether the sermon or liturgical season or whatever your 'theme' is), and that it's done with the unquenchable passion of a people who proudly and loudly proclaim that the Lord our God is risen indeed and is here for us all in love and mercy!
 
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My personal preference is a liturgical blended (liturgical in nature but with both older hymns and modern contemporary music, all done in the spirit of corporate worship not 'putting on a show') format. But I think the most important thing, no matter what the style of worship, is that it's done intentionally (there's a reason behind whatever you are doing), that it's done thematically (everything makes 'sense' and fits with the theme of worship, whether the sermon or liturgical season or whatever your 'theme' is), and that it's done with the unquenchable passion of a people who proudly and loudly proclaim that the Lord our God is risen indeed and is here for us all in love and mercy!

I'm with ya as long as that passion doesn't include LOUD music. Former church did that and I had a migraine every single week because of it.

I dont' think that is what suffering for Jesus really means...
 
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My personal preference is a liturgical blended (liturgical in nature but with both older hymns and modern contemporary music, all done in the spirit of corporate worship not 'putting on a show') format. B

At my church we do what is basically liturgical/blended in our main service. The congregation things it is blended leaning traditional but that is because their original tradition was liturgical. We are a church with long connections to an historic UMC college. I've often noticed that college town churches are more liturgical.

I vest most of the time now wearing an alb, stole, and often a pectoral cross or occasionally a robe and stole. Though I don't vest for our Saturday night casual service. It is a small laid back chapel service where everyone dresses casually.

I always use an UMC liturgy for communion and baptism but I try to keep it current by using alternative liturgies published by the General Board of Discipleship as well as what is in the hymnal.

IMHO there are elements of communion and baptism that should not be sacrificed for any worship style.
 
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At my church we do what is basically liturgical/blended in our main service. The congregation things it is blended leaning traditional but that is because their original tradition was liturgical. We are a church with long connections to an historic UMC college. I've often noticed that college town churches are more liturgical.

I vest most of the time now wearing an alb, stole, and often a pectoral cross or occasionally a robe and stole. Though I don't vest for our Saturday night casual service. It is a small laid back chapel service where everyone dresses casually.

I always use an UMC liturgy for communion and baptism but I try to keep it current by using alternative liturgies published by the General Board of Discipleship as well as what is in the hymnal.

IMHO there are elements of communion and baptism that should not be sacrificed for any worship style.

I agree!

A former Pastor of mine is attending a fast-growing new church start (he's retired). He leads a few bible studies and stuff there. He says he's never seen a book of worship, they don't even own the UM Hymnal and the Pastor does not use any liturgies for communion; just a prayer that usually sounds similar to the epiclesis. It's not his way of doing things but he's happy to support the ministry of this growing church and he and his wife enjoy attending there. That's a little too "contemporary" for me (and this is a pastor-wears-bluejeans-and-a-t-Shirt kind of church). These elements of liturgy are significant ecumenically and scripturally sound.
 
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I think most churches have switched over to contemporary music and the style differences now seem to be formal or informal. I've also heard the informal called the "family" service. In my church we are still formal. The service is band driven, but we sit in pews. We use liturgy from time to time (for baptisms, confirmation and such) but do not use books. It is printed in the program and projected on a screen. In an informal or "family" service, people come and go as they please, sit around tables and participate minimally. Communion, when served, and baptisms are moved to the wedding chapel so they can be done with only the people who care enough to participate outside of the service. Personally I believe this style came from the emergent, post-protestant church movement a few years ago, but most people will deny that and say they are just doing their own thing.
 
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I visited today (10:30) and it wasn't what I expected. It didn't seem very far off from a "traditional" mainline service. The pastor wore vestments, there was a standard order of service, etc. They sang "warm up" hymns with acoustic guitars before the service during which I sat in contemplation. All other songs during worship were from the hymnal, too ... Doxology (Gloria Patri) ... nothing new to me, which was comforting. I've had enough change lately from just moving to a new area.

Their 8:00am service is called "casual" and the 10:30am one "traditional," so ... I dunno, the terminology is a tad befuddling. In any event I felt comfortable although I loathe being called out as a visitor. I'm glad that only happens once. ;)

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After reading through this thread again I guess this service was a blended liturgical one.
 
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Speaking strictly for myself: I go to church to worship God. Worshiping God means, to me, re-affirming all those things about God which, in my imperfection, I am inclined to let slip away: His holiness, His grace, His authority, His status as the creator of all...

So worship, for me, is a process of letting go of myself and letting God shine. This is how I see the high-church traditional worship service. I don't wear the dungarees that make me comfortable, I wear (as a choir member) the robe. I don't sing songs about how God makes me feel, I sing songs about God's glory (mostly hymns with lyrics straight out of scripture). I don't want to express myself in worship service, I want to express God's Word. I don't want to take communion because it makes me feel closer to God, I want to take communion because Jesus told me to take communion in remembrance of Him. The liturgies, the vestments, all are tied to God and his Word, not to me and my self.

That's the way I see it. I have all week to indulge in me, and my stuff, my worries... I go to worship service to let go of me and let God be revealed.
 
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At annual conference this year the theme was 'passionate worship', and boy did we have examples of good and bad!

We had an excellent contemporary praise band that was as stereotypically contemporary as it gets. Barefoot, bluejeans, graphic tee-shirts, hands in the air; you name it. The music was excellent, and while it was loud it was sung in such a way that invited you to sing along. They sang the sorts of songs you could follow along with; instead of difficult Christian-rock songs. In other words; they led worship, instead of playing a Concert.

The 'bad' contemporary was there too. And at the worst possible time! A tradition at Annual Conference is to sing "A Charge to Keep I Have" during the fixing of the appointments. Well, we had this contemporary band and female lead singer who had a beautiful voice. I mean the music was just excellent. Except it was nothing near the actual hymn. It was their own rendition (same words, different tune); sung excruciatingly loud (people were plugging their ears) and the lead singer was belting out LOUDLY changing pace and really passionately singing. Fun to watch; but, it's supposed to be worship; not a concert. None of us could follow along or sing even though it was a very familiar song. After the first line the rest of AC just stopped singing and kind of starting looking at each other as this band just went to town; seemingly forgetting that there was supposed to be some worship going on. It was a sense of "Look how creative we can play" and less a sense of "Please, come worship with us!". Even though the music was good; it was disappointing.

When worship becomes about the people (look at how good we can play, check out my guitar solo, we have to use the hymns my grandma sang, we won't dare have these young people and their music; there's examples on both sides and plenty of it); it fails. When worship becomes about God (let's take the cumulative talents, gifts, and passions of the congregations and shape it into something that Glorifies the God that created us!); it succeeds.

My $0.02!
 
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Roman's anecdote reminds me of the first and last time I went to a Christian music festival (Spirit West, I believe). Toby Mac was the big headline performer. They had the whole rock concert thing going on, with the equipment and the technical staff, lights, sound... And it was a rock concert in every respect. The only clue that there might be something Christian going on (because you certainly couldn't understand any of the words of the songs) was people in the audience waving their arms in the air. I was literally trampled by Toby Mac fans trying to pile into the concert.

Contrast that to another musician at the festival, wish I could remember his name. It was just him and his guitar. He talked to us about God and sang songs about God. He said straight out, look, this isn't a performance, this is worship. He invited his audience to worship with him. It was the most touching worship service I've ever attended.
 
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