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It's interesting that the left constantly complains about how businesses screw over the employees etc. Yet when we talk about not wanting businesses to leave the country becauae they can go places and pay a pittence to workers and operate in a non-regulatory environment they are fine with that because it creates cheaper goods.

Their logic is a total mess.
Many it is their desire for a different form of government is the reason. To think it is fine to have poor wages and poor work conditions in other countires...(The same company, same people) .so they can buy cheaper shows their concern is neither the wages, or working conditions of workers. However to complain about in America gives seeming virtue to crush capitalism.
First they think price controls ok So the company makes less money, then force that even further with wages so they lose money and close up shop altogether, OR move to another country, even communist countries like China. Either way they crush Capitalism. Globalism
Just raising minimum wages for fast food , restaurants, has killed businesses, let alone adding price controls to the mix. It is taking control of business, the government running it...not the owner. Nor the market which are the people that pay to eat there, which makes the business good...to continue..That will be over, the government will decide instead.
 
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Former President Donald Trump threatened John Deere with a 200% tariff if the agricultural manufacturer moves some of its production to factories in Mexico.
Trump and his tariffs are ridiculous. What does he want to do to alienate our neighbors we should be building up the countries in our hemisphere now that we are deglobalizing. Made in America is expensive why not build in Mexico where labor is cheaper? If China keeps investing in Mexico the people will favor China over us and as time goes on Mexico will align with China then they will encroach on our borders then war.
 
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Trump and his tariffs are ridiculous. What does he want to do to alienate our neighbors we should be building up the countries in our hemisphere now that we are deglobalizing. Made in America is expensive why not build in Mexico where labor is cheaper? If China keeps investing in Mexico the people will favor China over us and as time goes on Mexico will align with China then they will encroach on our borders then war.
I believe it is all talk. He says whatever he thinks will get a positive reaction from his crowd. Fact is that he signed the USCMA which allows US corporations to take manufacturing to Mexico.
 
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Right so if they want to do business in America, they can produce here.
I don't know what lead up to this post but it begs the question....Why would China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, or whatever Eastern European build a factory in the United States when just like everyone else be subject to minimum wage (that is if they are lucky enough to avoid the Union;s Presence, then they would have to pay a living wage God forbid), when they can just open a slapped together factory with women and children hand cuffed to sewing machines for 1/10th of the price?
 
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Trump and his tariffs are ridiculous. What does he want to do to alienate our neighbors we should be building up the countries in our hemisphere now that we are deglobalizing.

Trump is a dualist. He plays both sides. Just like her. That's usually depicted in imagery. If you can read the photos you'll learn a lot. Look at Time and The Economist. They're good examples of the principle of hiding in plain sight.

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I don't know what lead up to this post but it begs the question....Why would China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, or whatever Eastern European build a factory in the United States when just like everyone else be subject to minimum wage (that is if they are lucky enough to avoid the Union;s Presence, then they would have to pay a living wage God forbid), when they can just open a slapped together factory with women and children hand cuffed to sewing machines for 1/10th of the price?
Because they want American business. Ill
 
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For the most part, profit is the bottom line even with better items.
Of course it is. Why have a business if you aren't going to make a profit. After all even non-profits make money. They are just organized differently.
What do you think we'll choose?
I think we won't choose. We'll maintain status quo. I think people just like to complain, but not really do anything about it. Becauae doing something about has consequences that many don't want to face, when I say many, i mean many politicians.
You don't need UBI if that's the plan. But it's a necessity because of A.I. if you're not going to retrain them. I've heard no suggestion of doing so from anyone. The lone narrative is layoffs and replacement.
Yup AI is a thing, and so is automation.

Who's we in the retrain scenario. Why do we need to retrain anyone. Is it up to the individual to retrain themselves? I'm actually not against businesses of a certain type having to pay wages to someone if they lay them due to automation, while the person looks for another job, goes to school for something else etc. I've not thought this through so I'm just tossing it out there as a concept.
 
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Trump and his tariffs are ridiculous. What does he want to do to alienate our neighbors we should be building up the countries in our hemisphere now that we are deglobalizing. Made in America is expensive why not build in Mexico where labor is cheaper?
Why tarifs are not rediculous...
If China keeps investing in Mexico the people will favor China over us and as time goes on Mexico will align with China then they will encroach on our borders then war.
Well yeah, communists supporting a narco state......They are already aligning with that. they are in the same business. They like each others way of government.
 
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Trump threatens 200% tariff’ if John Deere moves production to Mexico

  • Former President Donald Trump threatened John Deere with a 200% tariff if the agricultural manufacturer moves some of its production to factories in Mexico.
  • John Deere plans to shift production of some of its models to Mexico, a move that has resulted in layoffs at some facilities in Iowa.
  • Shares of Deere dipped about 1.6% in after-hours trading. Trump made the threat shortly after the closing bell.
Note: This would double the price of their products.

“They’ve announced a few days ago that they’re going to move a lot of their manufacturing business to Mexico,” the Republican nominee said at a policy roundtable in Smithton, Pennsylvania, hosted by the Protecting America Initiative.

“I’m just notifying John Deere right now: If you do that, we’re putting a 200% tariff on everything that you want to sell into the United States,” said Trump, who has made tariffs a key focus of his campaign’s economic policy.

John Deere has announced that it plans to shift production of some of its models to Mexico, a move that has resulted in layoffs at facilities in Iowa.

“It’s hurting our farmers. It’s hurting our manufacturing,” Trump said Monday.

The former president made similar threats Monday to automakers that manufacture cars in Mexico.

“We’re going to put big tariffs on those cars that are coming in here at 100[%] to 200%, and they’re no longer going to be competitive,” he said, “so you better stay in Michigan.”

Note: This would increase the price by 50% to double the sticker tag.

For more information on tariffs see What is a Tariff.
They are not the first and will not be the last. The issue of manufacturing in the US is more complex than threats and political grandstanding.

Manufacturing Today



US and Mexican flags laid next to each other to support John Deere relocation article

John Deere’s Manufacturing Relocation Affects US Jobs​


John Deere, a leading name in the agricultural equipment industry, recently announced a significant shift in its manufacturing operations. The company plans to relocate a substantial portion of its production outside the United States, a move that has sparked considerable debate.

John Deere’s Historical Manufacturing Operations in the US​

John Deere has a long-standing history of manufacturing in the United States, with roots dating back to its founding in 1837. Over the decades, the company has established itself as a dominant player in the agricultural equipment industry, renowned for its iconic green and yellow tractors and harvesters. Historically, John Deere’s US-based manufacturing plants have been central to its operations, supporting local economies and providing thousands of jobs. The decision to move some of these operations abroad marks a significant departure from this tradition.
The rationale behind John Deere’s decision to relocate production centers on several key factors. Rising operational costs in the US, driven by increased labor expenses and regulatory requirements, have made domestic manufacturing less economically viable. Additionally, declining market demand for certain products produced in US facilities has further pressured the company to seek more cost-effective solutions. By shifting production to countries with lower labor costs and more favorable manufacturing conditions, John Deere aims to maintain its competitive edge in the global market.

The Economic Impact of the Relocation is Profound​

The economic impact of John Deere’s relocation decision on the US is significant. The company has announced layoffs affecting over 600 workers across its plants in Illinois and Iowa, including substantial cuts at its East Moline, Davenport, and Dubuque facilities. These layoffs are expected to ripple through local economies, affecting not only the laid-off workers but also local businesses and suppliers that depend on John Deere’s operations.
Moreover, the reduction in domestic manufacturing activities may lead to a decline in related industries, such as parts suppliers and service providers, further exacerbating the economic downturn in affected regions. The long-term economic consequences could include decreased economic activity, reduced tax revenues for local governments, and potential outmigration of skilled workers seeking employment elsewhere.
John Deere’s global production strategy is focused on optimizing efficiency and cost-effectiveness by consolidating manufacturing operations in strategic locations. The company is shifting production of skid steer loaders and compact track loaders from its Dubuque, Iowa plant to a new facility in Ramos, Mexico. Similarly, mower conditioner production is being relocated from Ottumwa, Iowa to Monterrey, Mexico.
These new locations were chosen for their existing production capacities and complementary manufacturing competencies, which allow John Deere to streamline operations and reduce costs. By centralizing production in regions with more favorable labor markets and lower operational expenses, the company aims to enhance its global competitiveness and better serve international markets.
Other companies have successfully employed similar strategies, relocating manufacturing to countries with lower costs while maintaining high standards of quality and efficiency. This approach allows companies to remain competitive in a globalized economy where cost pressures and market demands are constantly evolving.

John Deere’s Supply Chain and Operational Changes​

The relocation of manufacturing operations will have significant implications for John Deere’s supply chain and operational processes. The company will need to adapt its logistics and supply chain management to integrate the new production sites. This includes reconfiguring supply routes, establishing new supplier relationships, and ensuring that quality control measures are maintained across all locations.
John Deere has stated that these changes are part of a broader strategy to optimize its factories for future products, improve operational efficiencies, and take advantage of growing labor forces in new regions. By implementing advanced manufacturing technologies and leveraging local expertise, John Deere aims to maintain high standards of quality and productivity while reducing costs.
Effective supply chain management will be critical to the success of this transition. John Deere will need to ensure that its new manufacturing operations are seamlessly integrated into its existing supply chain, minimizing disruptions and maintaining the reliability that its customers expect.

Potential Policy Responses Are Significant​

John Deere’s decision to move manufacturing operations abroad has broader implications for the US manufacturing industry. It highlights the challenges faced by domestic manufacturers in maintaining competitiveness in a globalized economy where cost pressures are intense. The trend of relocating production to lower-cost regions may continue, affecting other industries and leading to further job losses in the US.
Potential policy responses could include measures to support the manufacturing sector, such as tax incentives for domestic production, investment in advanced manufacturing technologies, and workforce development programs to enhance the skills of American workers. These policies could help mitigate the impact of job losses and support the long-term sustainability of the US manufacturing industry.
Experts have varied opinions on the future outlook for the industry. Some argue that embracing globalization and focusing on high-value, advanced manufacturing could ensure competitiveness, while others advocate for stronger protectionist measures to safeguard domestic jobs and industries.
John Deere’s strategic shift in manufacturing operations is a complex decision driven by economic and operational considerations. While the move aims to optimize efficiency and reduce costs, it has significant economic implications for the US and broader implications for the manufacturing industry. Balancing the benefits of global production with the social costs of job losses and economic disruption remains a critical challenge for policymakers and industry leaders. The future of manufacturing in the US will depend on the ability to adapt to these challenges and implement strategies that support both competitiveness and economic stability.
 
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They are not the first and will not be the last. The issue of manufacturing in the US is more complex than threats and political grandstanding.

Manufacturing Today



US and Mexican flags laid next to each other to support John Deere relocation article

John Deere’s Manufacturing Relocation Affects US Jobs​


John Deere, a leading name in the agricultural equipment industry, recently announced a significant shift in its manufacturing operations. The company plans to relocate a substantial portion of its production outside the United States, a move that has sparked considerable debate.

John Deere’s Historical Manufacturing Operations in the US​

John Deere has a long-standing history of manufacturing in the United States, with roots dating back to its founding in 1837. Over the decades, the company has established itself as a dominant player in the agricultural equipment industry, renowned for its iconic green and yellow tractors and harvesters. Historically, John Deere’s US-based manufacturing plants have been central to its operations, supporting local economies and providing thousands of jobs. The decision to move some of these operations abroad marks a significant departure from this tradition.
The rationale behind John Deere’s decision to relocate production centers on several key factors. Rising operational costs in the US, driven by increased labor expenses and regulatory requirements, have made domestic manufacturing less economically viable. Additionally, declining market demand for certain products produced in US facilities has further pressured the company to seek more cost-effective solutions. By shifting production to countries with lower labor costs and more favorable manufacturing conditions, John Deere aims to maintain its competitive edge in the global market.

The Economic Impact of the Relocation is Profound​

The economic impact of John Deere’s relocation decision on the US is significant. The company has announced layoffs affecting over 600 workers across its plants in Illinois and Iowa, including substantial cuts at its East Moline, Davenport, and Dubuque facilities. These layoffs are expected to ripple through local economies, affecting not only the laid-off workers but also local businesses and suppliers that depend on John Deere’s operations.
Moreover, the reduction in domestic manufacturing activities may lead to a decline in related industries, such as parts suppliers and service providers, further exacerbating the economic downturn in affected regions. The long-term economic consequences could include decreased economic activity, reduced tax revenues for local governments, and potential outmigration of skilled workers seeking employment elsewhere.
John Deere’s global production strategy is focused on optimizing efficiency and cost-effectiveness by consolidating manufacturing operations in strategic locations. The company is shifting production of skid steer loaders and compact track loaders from its Dubuque, Iowa plant to a new facility in Ramos, Mexico. Similarly, mower conditioner production is being relocated from Ottumwa, Iowa to Monterrey, Mexico.
These new locations were chosen for their existing production capacities and complementary manufacturing competencies, which allow John Deere to streamline operations and reduce costs. By centralizing production in regions with more favorable labor markets and lower operational expenses, the company aims to enhance its global competitiveness and better serve international markets.
Other companies have successfully employed similar strategies, relocating manufacturing to countries with lower costs while maintaining high standards of quality and efficiency. This approach allows companies to remain competitive in a globalized economy where cost pressures and market demands are constantly evolving.

John Deere’s Supply Chain and Operational Changes​

The relocation of manufacturing operations will have significant implications for John Deere’s supply chain and operational processes. The company will need to adapt its logistics and supply chain management to integrate the new production sites. This includes reconfiguring supply routes, establishing new supplier relationships, and ensuring that quality control measures are maintained across all locations.
John Deere has stated that these changes are part of a broader strategy to optimize its factories for future products, improve operational efficiencies, and take advantage of growing labor forces in new regions. By implementing advanced manufacturing technologies and leveraging local expertise, John Deere aims to maintain high standards of quality and productivity while reducing costs.
Effective supply chain management will be critical to the success of this transition. John Deere will need to ensure that its new manufacturing operations are seamlessly integrated into its existing supply chain, minimizing disruptions and maintaining the reliability that its customers expect.

Potential Policy Responses Are Significant​

John Deere’s decision to move manufacturing operations abroad has broader implications for the US manufacturing industry. It highlights the challenges faced by domestic manufacturers in maintaining competitiveness in a globalized economy where cost pressures are intense. The trend of relocating production to lower-cost regions may continue, affecting other industries and leading to further job losses in the US.
Potential policy responses could include measures to support the manufacturing sector, such as tax incentives for domestic production, investment in advanced manufacturing technologies, and workforce development programs to enhance the skills of American workers. These policies could help mitigate the impact of job losses and support the long-term sustainability of the US manufacturing industry.
Experts have varied opinions on the future outlook for the industry. Some argue that embracing globalization and focusing on high-value, advanced manufacturing could ensure competitiveness, while others advocate for stronger protectionist measures to safeguard domestic jobs and industries.
John Deere’s strategic shift in manufacturing operations is a complex decision driven by economic and operational considerations. While the move aims to optimize efficiency and reduce costs, it has significant economic implications for the US and broader implications for the manufacturing industry. Balancing the benefits of global production with the social costs of job losses and economic disruption remains a critical challenge for policymakers and industry leaders. The future of manufacturing in the US will depend on the ability to adapt to these challenges and implement strategies that support both competitiveness and economic stability.
John deer will become a foreign company of Mexico Maybe it will retitle itself Juan Deer
 
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John deer will become a foreign company of Mexico Maybe it will retitle itself Juan Deer
It will still be a US company, though some production will be in Mexico.
 
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Doesn't this affect red states and farmers more. Also I read , that John Deere company said it wasn't moving to Mexico. And only has 5 percent of product in Mexico for them. And the lay offs were because of lack of consumers.
 
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Doesn't this affect red states and farmers more. Also I read , that John Deere company said it wasn't moving to Mexico. And only has 5 percent of product in Mexico for them. And the lay offs were because of lack of consumers.
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"Companies that move their operations or headquarters to other countries can still be considered American for several reasons:​

  1. Legal Incorporation: Many companies remain legally incorporated in the United States, meaning they are still subject to U.S. laws and regulations1.
  2. Taxation: Even if a company relocates its headquarters, it may still be liable for U.S. taxes on its global income2.
  3. Brand Identity: Companies often maintain their American brand identity, which can be important for marketing and customer loyalty1.
  4. Operational Ties: They may continue to have significant operations, employees, and investments in the U.S., maintaining strong ties to the country3.

#1 why should working Americans consider John Deer American? They won't subject themselves to American labor law?
#3 Juan Deer is all they should be. They are not American employers or producers. Why let them enjoy #3
 
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Why would it be? They become a Mexican company, producing in Mexico.
We have foreign companies producing here in the US. They are still foreign companies.
 
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We have foreign companies producing here in the US. They are still foreign companies.
Yep. When American companies comply with American labor law, including wages, and regulations of us companies sure. That is not the case with companies producing in foreign countries.
 
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It's interesting that the left constantly complains about how businesses screw over the employees etc. Yet when we talk about not wanting businesses to leave the country becauae they can go places and pay a pittence to workers and operate in a non-regulatory environment they are fine with that because it creates cheaper goods.

Their logic is a total mess.

To be fair so is the logic of the right. They want lower minimum wages and less regulation, but when businesses take advantage of that by employing migrant workers or moving production offshore they complain.
 
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