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Trump says Zelensky not ready for peace

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Now I have to laugh
What kind of laugh though. This seems vitally important.
It is a manly bellicose laugh? A kinda creepy Santa ho ho ho belly laugh? An awkward almost apologetic wimpy laugh?
Maybe a geeky snort? Manybe a femine cackle. I have heard that the feminine cackle is the worst, thankfully though, it's a hard one for real men to pull off.

But it seems, that there are only certain types of laughs that are officially approved in the MAGA circles.
 
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I'm amazed at people who can't see their own bias
Harris doesn’t come off as having a good disposition to me. I will keep my opinion to myself, and yes, I am very much biased. To be fair.
 
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What kind of laugh though. This seems vitally important.
It is a manly bellicose laugh? A kinda creepy Santa ho ho ho belly laugh? An awkward almost apologetic wimpy laugh?
Maybe a geeky snort? Manybe a femine cackle. I have heard that the feminine cackle is the worst, thankfully though, it's a hard one for real men to pull off.

But it seems, that there are only certain types of laughs that are officially approved in the MAGA circles.
It’s best to keep that opinion to myself because I don’t want to offend anyone. You can look it up for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Peace
 
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So let’s pretend Russia invaded Alaska and we went to war, millions died, Canada says they desperately don’t want Russia to take Alaska because they will be next, so they help us. We land at a 3 year stalemate as China and Russia vs America and Canada duke it out over Alaska.

Then U.K. and France step in and offer to broker peace. They negotiate only with Russia and China, not us. They say they’ve found an agreement… We will give Russia Alaska (since it was a part of Russia for longer than it has been part of America anyway), Russia will give us money for the depreciated and ruined state of Alaska due to the war, everybody who lives in Alaska is a Russian citizen now, and Russia super promises to never enter Canada and take more land. Canada is not a part of the deal but vehemently opposes and will support us if we decline the deal.

You really think we should say yes to that? And you think if we say no and then U.K. and France turn around and say “well I guess America doesn’t want peace because we handed them peace so if millions more die and a larger war breaks out, it will be their fault” then they would be right?

Because that’s what you’re asking of Ukraine.
Again, this is the art of negotiating. Trump is going to ask Zelensky AND Putin for more than they want to give.
 
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What kind of laugh though. This seems vitally important.
It is a manly bellicose laugh? A kinda creepy Santa ho ho ho belly laugh? An awkward almost apologetic wimpy laugh?
Maybe a geeky snort? Manybe a femine cackle. I have heard that the feminine cackle is the worst, thankfully though, it's a hard one for real men to pull off.

But it seems, that there are only certain types of laughs that are officially approved in the MAGA circles.
A laugh when it is inappropriate is what concerned voters
 
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Harris doesn’t come off as having a good disposition to me. I will keep my opinion to myself, and yes, I am very much biased. To be fair.
But you don't claim to be neutral like some people
 
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Again, this is the art of negotiating. Trump is going to ask Zelensky AND Putin for more than they want to give.
I’m not sure what’s funnier here, the idea that any part of the proposed deal included something Russia didn't like, or that Trump is an artful negotiator. Trump couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag. As is indicated by the “deal” of Russia getting everything they wanted and then some, Ukraine and her people ceasing to exist, and Trump throwing an actual, honest-to-goodness tantrum when he was told “no.”
 
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A laugh when it is inappropriate is what concerned voters
Her being the wrong gender and color is what concerned voters, which is why Trump was elected. He was a DEI hire… Only in the role because he was the white, I mean right, man for the job.
 
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Her being the wrong gender and color is what concerned voters, which is why Trump was elected. He was a DEI hire… Only in the role because he was the white, I mean right, man for the job.
You just flamed almost 80 million people.
Who was it that said "That's all y'all have got "
 
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Zelensky made a mistake, I am sure Trump will welcome him back.
Way to not address anything you quoted. But then again, none of it makes Trump look good so you'll just ignore it.
 
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Exactly, someone trying to work hard to negotiate an end to a war that has already resulted in over a million casualties. You may have to be blunt with a foreign leader to do so. As Trump pointed out, this is not about "feelings," it is about saving lives and possibly stopping World War III.
Except placating an invader will only embolden them. This isn't about saving lives and stopping WW3, this is about self-interest purely and keeping the possibility of WW3 alive, though I doubt that thought even crosses Trumps mind.
 
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Perhaps a memo should be produced explaining when the MAGAs think it is appropriate to laugh and when not appropriate.
If someone breaks in my house I'm shooting them Hahahaha
For example
 
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It's negotiation...
It was a lot of things. Embarrassing is what comes to mind first and foremost. But surely he must be losing some of his supporters with a performance like that. Surely.

Zelenski came to the WH looking for support. He is the democratically elected leader of a country losing tens of of thousands of its citizens because of the invasion of the thug Putin. And he gets treated like that? In front of the whole world? The man has more character, more guts than a thousand Trumps.

One of of the the most shamefull exhibitions by a US president. And in the White House. Recorded for posterity for all to see. This is who you voted for?

Correction: The most shamefull exhibition. I really can't think of a worse one.
 
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This was clearly deliberate, and planned with Donald's superior Putin to humiliate Zelinsky. It's pretty clear now that the USA under Donald is nothing more than a vassel state of Russia.
 
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It was a lot of things. Embarrassing is what comes to mind first and foremost. But surely he must be losing some of his supporters with a performance like that. Surely.

Zelenski came to the WH looking for support. He is the democratically elected leader of a country losing tens of of thousands of its citizens because of the invasion of the thug Putin. And he gets treated like that? In front of the whole world? The man has more character, more guts than a thousand Trumps.
To what ends will that help be for? Has he laid out a plan for victory, or just asking for money to sustain the war at a stalemate for another 5-6 years?


One of of the the most shamefull exhibitions by a US president. And in the White House. Recorded for posterity for all to see. This is who you voted for?

Correction: The most shamefull exhibition. I really can't think of a worse one.
I would have to think Nixon's antics rank up there pretty high...

Or JFK's situation, where he cheated on his wife Jackie so much that she was about to leave him, and his father intervened to save his political reputation and offered her $1 million dollars to stay with him...

Dick Cheney (while not technically the president, but pretty much was) shot a guy in the face

Obama caught on a hot mic offering "more flexibility if I win this next election" to Dmitry Medvedev

The Teapot Dome scandal ranks up there...
 
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I am so embarrassed to be an American right now.

My feelings exactly.

Trump and Vance are despicable little cowardly boys bullying a real man who stands up for his country's interests, not sucking up to a tyrrant like Putin.
 
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You just flamed almost 80 million people.
Who was it that said "That's all y'all have got "
I have no doubt some people voted for him because they believe the lies he throws out there. Some people will believe anything.

But I also have no doubt that there weren’t plenty of people who voted for him to as the DEI hire. The KKK endorsed him. Twice. So… There’s at least one group right there.
 
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Why haven't you moved?
If it was in any way within my power to do so, trust me, I would have been gone 10 years ago. I’d have been so gone, so far, so fast, you’d have questioned if I was ever here in the first place.

Instead, I’ll have to content myself trying to save it from the people intent on destroying it.
 
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