Trump found guilty on all 34 counts

[ozso]

No, this is a sideline to the thread. The thread is about Trump getting a guilty verdict. People are just turning it into about which party is better.

My point is that no one party has all the answers, and taking the extreme line of one party or the other to address complex problems is not solving or improving these problems. It takes a complex approach in the middle to make things better.

While no one party has all the answers, I think we'll be better off with Trump.

 

[ozso]

I’d say it’s not the party trying to place a criminal in charge of the country.

That's already wearing itself out and making it look more and more that the trial was politically motivated.

 

[ozso]

It’s an election year. You’ll get used to it.

Just who do you think intended this, though? The jury who convicted him? There’s always this air of conspiracy in every allegation from the right. Why is that?

It stared with the Russians putting Trump in the White House.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I have heard several people say that the judge has been partial, including Trey Gowdy. I have heard legal analysts on CNN criticizing the case. I don’t think it’s the legal masterpiece that some people are making it out to be

I don’t see it so much of “masterpiece” as it is simple, cut and dry.

The affair happened. The hush money payment happened. The fraudulent coverup at the Trump Org happened and it was all in an effort to impact the 2016 election.

What part of any of this scheme is in dispute?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That's already wearing itself out and making it look more and more that the trial was politically motivated.

I don’t care. Deal with reality however you have to. I can also go back to twice impeached single term president if that is easier on you.

 

[ozso]

It's merely your security blanket.

If only that made sense.

 

[ozso]

I don’t care. Deal with reality however you have to. I can also go back to twice impeached single term president if that is easier on you.

Brilliant.

 

[SummerMadness]

A thrice-married philanderer, twice-impeached, one-term president. And now, a convicted felon. Wow.

 

[FireDragon76]

A thrice-married philanderer, twice-impeached, one-term president. And now, a convicted felon. Wow.

It's just a sign of the times...

 

[BPPLEE]

I don’t see it so much of “masterpiece” as it is simple, cut and dry.

The affair happened. The hush money payment happened. The fraudulent coverup at the Trump Org happened and it was all in an effort to impact the 2016 election.

What part of any of this scheme is in dispute?

That it’s a campaign finance violation, the FEC said it wasn’t,
That it is a felony, it’s a misdemeanor for which the statute of limitations has expired and under some obscure statute it’s been revived and bootstrapped into a felony. Has it ever been done before?
That the two star witnesses both had animosity against the defendant and profited from telling their stories, both had changed their stories and one is a convicted serial perjurer.
What part of the case is without controversy?

 

[Whyayeman]

He was there and you weren’t but you know he’s lying?

We all know he lied in his video.

He told a lie about jury selection - on the video - when he claimed that the judge and prosecution chose the jury. Actually we all know how the jury was selected; prosecuting and defending counsel did it together under the supervision of the judge.

He is not objective about the case because he was there as a 'friend of the defendant'. He said so himself of the same video.

 

[Paulos23]

While no one party has all the answers, I think we'll be better off with Trump.

And I think we would be better with a president who gets both sides working together on our most critical issues.

Trump shows no willingness to do that.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

It stared with the Russians putting Trump in the White House.

You don’t believe any of Trump’s actions are what got him convicted?

 

[Belk]

That it’s a campaign finance violation, the FEC said it wasn’t,

When and where?

That it is a felony, it’s a misdemeanor for which the statute of limitations has expired and under some obscure statute it’s been revived and bootstrapped into a felony. Has it ever been done before?

This is a valid concern and something I think an appeals court should vet.

That the two star witnesses both had animosity against the defendant and profited from telling their stories, both had changed their stories and one is a convicted serial perjurer.

How is witnesses being against the person on trial different from any trial ever? It is not like the witnesses testifying against mob bosses are squeaky clean individuals doing their civic duty.

What part of the case is without controversy?

 

[rambot]

But it's not just one word. There's plenty of proof Biden is a narcissist. Here's a video by a channel that specializes in narcissism. It talks about several examples of Biden's narcissism.

Did you watch this video?
For the record, I ALMOST NEVER watch movies this long on CF but frankly, I think the argument is absolutely bunk so I'm intrigued by how this guy will convince me that Biden is narcissistic when he's shown PLENTY of emotion and empathy towards others. Frankly, I'm sure it's a joke but....what the heck, let' see how "4 quotes" mean that a person is a "narcisssist". I won't be able to watch it til way later in the evening though.

Like I've said before, they both share similar traits.

Please, oh please list which traits you feel they share.
Here are a list of traits of a true narcissist:

• Being overly boastful, exaggerating one’s own achievements
• Pretending to be superior to others
• Lack of empathy for others
• Looking down on others as inferior
• Monopolising conversations
• Impatient, angry, unhappy, depressed or has mood swings when criticized
• Easily disappointed when expected importance is not given
• Always craves for “the best” in everything
• Has a very fragile self-esteem

The difference is Biden supporters/Trump haters will ignore, downplay or justify it when they see it in Biden but clutch their pearls when they see it in Trump.

The problem with your description is that the situations are never comparable. Me sharing a single video with 23 quotes of Trump being a Narcissist, is not what makes Trump a narcissist. It is merely one in a series of examples.

 

[rambot]

Bombshell Report Reveals Team Trump Is Rewarding Key Trial Witnesses

It weird how people in Trump's organization start working harder RIGHT after they testify in his court case.

 

[childeye 2]

Are you say I'm projecting my "impurity" onto Biden?

I'm trying to love you as I would want to be loved, and it's not easy to tell misinformed people that they are deceived.

Did Trump call white supremacists "very fine people"?

No. After a white nationalist supporter drove his car into a crowd of anti-white nationalist protesters killing a young woman, Trump equated the white nationalist's movement with the anti-white nationalists by saying, "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides".

The next day, he was asked to explain why he equivocated. So, after openly denouncing white supremacists and Nazi's, he then said there were violent people on both sides and fine people on both sides.

Are you accusing me of projection?

We are all projecting something. You are projecting your belief that Biden is a narcissist. I am projecting my belief that he has empathy for others. Mine is the positive prejudice.

Okay, what proof would you need?

Factual proof. When Biden states in 2015, "I think I would be the best President" and you post that he said "I would be the best President", that's altering what he actually said. I can only surmise you are misinformed and subsequently spreading disinformation about Biden.

I'm going to need proof for that.

The pure of heart project their purity onto others and the defiled mind projects their impurity onto others.

H.G. Tudor narcissist psychopath

 

[essentialsaltes]

That it’s a campaign finance violation, the FEC said it wasn’t,

Cohen pleaded guilty to federal election crimes.

 

[BPPLEE]

Cohen was not on trial Trump was. The FEC declined to charge Trump

 

[essentialsaltes]

Cohen was not on trial Trump was. The FEC declined to charge Trump

Trump's records were falsified to disguise the repayments to Cohen for the illegal campaign donation.