Trump administration concedes court-protected Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done'

[7thKeeper]

Yes, the wife beater got due process and the country is better off now that he is gone.

No, he did not. This would be a bold faced lie on your part. It can't be even called a mistake, because the facts show clearly that there wasn't due process, as evidenced by what the Supreme Court said. You can try your emotional appeals all you like, that doesnt make due process magically appear.

 

[wing2000]

I am find with Trump deporting every illegal immigrants found in this country. 56% of Americans agree.

Most Americans agree deportions should occur in accordance with the law and the Constituion.

You, Ooompa Loompa, apparently, do not.

I have yet to see you answer if you support the USSC's ruling.

Instead, you deflect, dive and refuse to answer.

 

[hedrick]

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982

This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc. I was elected to take bad people out of the United States, among other things. I must be allowed to do my job. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

According to the Fox News report, this is based on police reports, but no,court has convicted him. Your report quotes Trump, who is an unreliable source. He may well be those things but it needs a court to review it. Even then, I don’t think it would be legal to send him to a prison in El Salvador for acts committed in the US. Eventually the Supreme Court wil probably decide that.

The claim isn’t that he is innocent, but that the case is lacking due process. And violating a court order not to deport him, which is the real issue. If there’s a problem with the court order it can be appealed. He may well have done things since the court order. If so, a court can review them. But if the US government can sent him to a prison when ordered not to do so by a court, we are all in danger. An out of control government is more dangerous than a wife beater, with all due respect to the wife. L

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Most Americans agree deportions should occur in accordance with the law and the Constituion.

You, Ooompa Loompa, apparently, do not.

I have yet to see you answer if you support the USSC's ruling.

Instead, you deflect, dive and refuse to answer.

I do support the ruling and Trump is following the Supreme Court's instructions. The problem is that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction in El Salvador.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Perhaps Donald should just take back the $6M he pad El Salvador to take the prisoners?

How did Donald manage to get the Tate bros. back?

Why would Trump be spending our tax dollars on El Salvador. So, that can take their own people back. We knows something is wrong. And there's no need for Trump to take the money back. Because El Salvador is doing what Trump wants them to do .

 

[hedrick]

No, he did not. This would be a bold faced lie on your part. It can't be even called a mistake, because the facts show clearly that there wasn't due process, as evidenced by what the Supreme Court said. You can try your emotional appeals all you like, that doesnt make do process magically appear.

Let’s calm down. Oompa Loompa isn’t lying. They made the mistake of believing the President. We should assume this was a mistake made in good faith.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Trump’s counterterrorism czar says Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s supporters could be charged with ‘aiding and abetting’​

Sebastian Gorka says critics are ‘on the side of the terrorists’ as administration attacks opponents of president’s deportation agenda​

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[Gorka:] “And you have to ask yourself: Are they technically aiding and abetting them? Because aiding and abetting criminals and terrorists is a crime in federal statute.”​

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“Nothing will change the fact that Abrego Garcia will never be a Maryland father. He will never live in the United States of America again,” White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.​

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That's what some people want , to lie that people are terrorist. So Trump and his people can do whatever they want.And some people will be to scared to tell the truth.

 

[JSRG]

I don’t really see how the veto is the problem. The senate already needs a two-thirds majority to override a filibuster, which is assumed for anything remotely contentious that’s not 100% budget-related.

The filibuster does not require a 2/3 majority; it requires only a 3/5 majority. This is still a steep requirement, but it is more doable; we saw that in 2009, where the Democrats (with 2 Democrat-aligned Independents) met that requirement, which is why they were able to pass the Affordable Care Act. Meanwhile, the last time a political party had a 2/3 majority in the Senate was 1966 (a time when, ironically, the requirement to bypass the filibuster was 2/3; it was later lowered to 3/5).

Furthermore, there is no filibuster in the House at all. So essentially, even with the filibuster, you need 3/5 of the Senate and a simple majority of the House to pass something. But the veto changes it to 2/3 in both houses. The veto has much greater requirements to bypass. In fact, incomprehensibly, it is actually easier to kick a President out of office via impeachment (majority of House, 2/3 of Senate) than it is to override a veto (2/3 of both houses).

The filibuster also is not required by the Constitution at all. While talk of its abolishment seems to have abated for now, I do think it will be removed entirely eventually. But, even with the filibuster in place, it is easier to get past a filibuster than it is to override a veto, and also the filibuster at least can't be used for budget-related things, whereas the veto can.

The problem is the nationalization of the political parties and political media. When the president is also the leader of the national party, the only time the veto is even a threat anymore is when both chambers of congress are run by the party opposing the president.

No, the veto is a threat even when both are held by the President's party, because the veto power means the President can play a major role in how they craft legislation. He doesn't like something? He can veto it. In practice the veto is rarely used because all the President has to do is say "hey, change this" and they'll dutifully change it because otherwise he can just veto it. This gives the President an absurd amount of power over legislation, something the President isn't even supposed to have much part in.

As for the problem of the nationalization of the political parties, that is something that is essentially unsolvable. They're nationalized, they're strong, and it's what we're stuck with. Basically every country with political parties is like that. Even if we were to adopt some alternate voting patterns like proportional representation, you'd still have national political parties. So if that's unsolvable, it makes more sense to try to fix something in a way that is possibly solvable (even if, admittedly, potentially very difficult).

 

[hedrick]

What I find interesting is that the order protecting him from deportation wasn’t from an actual judge. It was an immigration judge. They are administrators, and could almost certainly be intructed to make a specific decision. I would bet it would have been easy to get an immigration judge to reverse the order protecting Garcia, whether doing so had merit or not. While Garcia hadn’t been convicted of anything, there are plenty of police reports. In an immigration hearing the defendant is presumed guilty.

But now there’s an order from the Supreme Court. That’s not so easy to reverse.

I still think what’s really going on is that there are aggressive quotas, and it is leading ICE to cut corners legally.