To what do Christians owe their religion?

[Sinful2B]

Hi Martin and welcome to illumination

I expect you've gathered by now Martin, that I am of an extremely suspicious nature.
I find it diffiocult to accept anything for it is, within reason, and constantly search for truisms behind what it is I am winessing.
Even as a young boy of under 9 years, I challenged the "star in the east" theory, as it seemed quite obvious to me at the time, that the 3 Kings would end up travelling towards China, and just a few years ago, I was able to prove that a conjunction occured between Jupter and Saturn in 6BC, which had to have been the "star in the east". I am sure you can figure out the simple reason "why" for yourself.

Lkewise so with the name of Jesus.
I never could accept the Junior teaching whereby the saviour of the world had a Latin name. "But surely," I would butt in, "wouldn't he have had an Aramaic name?", and of course, I was then told to "shut up" and "stop asking silly questions!"
One thing then led to another, and if you read my other posts, you will notice that recently I have completed the reading of another religious text.
Simply put, if one considers the fact that the Jews gave Jesus his name, they would have done so for a reason. What is clear, is that the Grecian translations would be inaccurate, as are so many in the NT. This is all the more apparent when one takes examples and cross references them with modern and ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, liturgical Aramaic and Arabic. This is not a particularly easy task, as there are few people in this world to whom the general public can have easy access, who are fully conversant in ancient languages, particularly Hebrew, and also speak English, and are prepared to have a chat about something that may be alien to their religion.

Ok, so all the above is a little bit of a waffle, but it does serve to highlight the exhaustive process that is sometimes required to illuminate the truth, particularly when that truth has been deliberately hidden in antiquity.

This is why, as you put it:

It's just i've read the bible cover to cover and don't remember coming across that, and i just figured i forgot, so i just did a word search through 5 bible translations for the phrase "teacher of God" and it isn't there. give us clue?

And of course, it won't be there, because the truth has been hidden away, eventually by the Christians, but originally by the Jews.

No, I am not going to give it to you on a plate - it took too long to find out the truth to gibve it away so lightly. What I will do, is to cause you to search for the name of the Christian God. The Tetragrammaton, for unlike many Christians who are biased by their own faith, and will tell you that is is Yahweh or the like, nothing could be further from the truth. Christians of course, could never accept that their God was one of the subordinate Gods - of course - understandable - so you have to search for the Leader of the Pantheon, then cross reference that to the OT.
Then throw in a little Ancient ( not modern ) Arabic, and "AbrahKahdabrah"!!!!!
This is how the Muslims were able to establish that Abraham built the Kaaba, but that's another story.

Anyway, notice that I did say OT, NOT NT, because if ever you want to find out the truth about Christianity's religion, then you have to look in the OT. If you want to find out about Christianity, then you look in the NT - simple eh? Well, not quite, but anyway, this is why Christians don't actually practice Christianity, and certainly the reason why the Jews refused to, and gave Jesus the name that they did.

If you have the time for another search, investigate the extra-biblical sources for the naming of Jesus, where that name is NOT used. You will turn up some very interesting substitutes.

Anyway, have fun - I shall look forward to some concrete information from you.

Oh, and just as a last morsel of extra assistance, have a look at the ancient Sumerian pantheon - you will find some substantial help here.

 

[Martin^^]

Thanks for the tips S2B, though I doubt I will have time to follow them up this side of retirement
The passage you quote is from Sebastian, incidentally - I just quoted him in my post.
Suspicious is not the same as questioning - I can well believe how your critical enquiry was not welcomed by your teachers though!
The birth of Jesus being in 6BC has been established for some time. I found this particularly amusing in the light of all the dire warnings of the end of the world coming with the millenium in 2000, since it should have happened in 1994.
I have to admit I am a little intrigued by your continued study of religious texts, which you have obviously done in some depth. Once you have concluded there is no God, why waste your time reading fairytales?

 

[sebastian]

So i'm looking for a name that origianates in sumerian theology, cross referenced with a name of God in the OT that sounds like it and then again into the classical arabic equivilent? And this will be an instruction from God to call Jesus the teacher of God?

 

[Sinful2B]

Hi Martin, and welcome to another day

The birth of Jesus being in 6BC has been established for some time

Yes, but that is only because it fits the events that have been firmly established. It does not naturally follow that the birth took place at that time - it just fits the story if it does.
Like most things in life, if you want to find out the truth, you have to look in an area where the truth is not apparent.
Do your research - look for a substantial earthquake in the Eastern Mediterranean together with a solar eclipse. Again, it's all about cross referencing.
Take Muhammed for example. The year before he was born, and total solar eclipse occurred, tracking it's way across north eastern Africa; an area that the Arabs frequently visited for trading purposes. His uncle, being in the area at the time, was able to witness the event. To these ancients, this would have been an event to cause decades of comment and discussion. Muhammed grew up repeatedly hearing about the day the sun went dark. Interestingly, the year his son died, the same thing occurred in southern Yemen, although Muhammed was not there and did not see it. But he would have heard about it, very much so.
Small wonder then, that he accurately records the event in the Koran, because it was witnessable during or close to his lifetime - in other words, environmentally controlled. Nothing to do with The Angel Gabriel at all.
So, in just that very small example, apart from the hundreds of others, we find that Muhammeds claim that the Koran is the words of The Angel Gabriel, totally false. That aside, Gabriel was a Sumerian Messenger. Read Daniel.
I suppose that's why most people don't bother. It's just too complicated to find out the truth. They just haven't got time, and they are far more content believing what they believe anyway. Why rock the boat?

Once you have concluded there is no God, why waste your time reading fairytales?

Have I? Be careful not to take things out of context. What I have said, is that creation does not need a God, and therefore, for all the reasons that Gods were invented by humans, so all those reasons have now become redundant, and likewise therefore, the Gods with them.

Fairytales they are not. Sure, much of it is manipulated truths, and for the most part, the truisms lie in former civilizations. It is indeed within those former civilizations that my experience and interest lies. It is an ever present frustration that so much material resides in museums and private collections, unaccessable within the public domain, and I can understand why!!!

So i'm looking for a name that origianates in sumerian theology

Yes

cross referenced with a name of God in the OT

Yes, but not quite. The apparent name of God in the OT is NOT the name of God. The Jews jsut thought it was.

classical arabic equivilent

Not equivilent. The classical Arabic assists in decoding the corruption over time.

And this will be an instruction from God to call Jesus the teacher of God

Well, not actually. Firstly, whoever said what they said, was not God. A human being said that that was what God said - ok?
Second, that being so, we would expect to see inaccuracy, lack of knowledge or direct experience, etc. because if it is true and without their direct educational and environmental experience, then we would have to concede that the message was dvinely given.
So, you are searching for pre-existing terms and identities as would have been defined by the Jews, using classical Arabic under the influence of Sumerian theology, as so much of the Christian theology is.

Good luck.

 

[sebastian]

enlil?

 

[Sinful2B]

Hi Sebastian, I've just realized you're back

I thought you would go off to get more ammunition. You just didn't seem to be the type of chap to give up on things.

Anyway, as they say, "Close, but no cigar!!!"

As an assist, Enlil actually was a Sumerian God. IN fact the God of Air, although later he did take on the persona of the chief God. It is indeed he that is apportioned with the Creation of Man, which the literal translation of "Man" being "Son of Air", as in the Air God, Enlil.

This is where the origin of THE SON OF MAN resides; a mythological relationship that occurred several thousand years before Christianity.

Christianity is NOT original. It was all done before; dressed up and regurgitated, manipulated and downright corrupted, in order that the new faith could have credence in the then modern world.

So, now you know why a SON OF MAN was a nessecary, credible theology to have in a new religion - they all had one, and so Christianity needed one too.

 

[sebastian]

I know enlil was a sumerian God, you said i needed to find a name from sumerian theology.