Thruthism

[mnbvcxz87]

I think it's a good question for you even as a vegetarian. Assuming from the cross that you're a follower of christianity then your religion allows us to eat non humans as food. Yet non humans suffer. Fish suffocate when brought out of water. The holocaust of animals continues every day but religion allows it because they are our food.

 

[arunma]

I think it's a good question for you even as a vegetarian. Assuming from the cross that you're a follower of christianity then your religion allows us to eat non humans as food. Yet non humans suffer. Fish suffocate when brought out of water. The holocaust of animals continues every day but religion allows it because they are our food.

Humans have the capability to survive by many means. But the fact that I am alive to post this indicates that humans are capable of living without killing animals for food.

Of course my religion does allow for the consumption of meat. And to be sure, I do not believe that eating meat is in any way immoral. My vegetarianism is not based on a moral or ethical objection to meat, but is simply a dietary choice (also, being raised vegetarian makes it a sort of habit to me). It is true that God has provided animals for our consumption, should we choose to avail ourselves of the opportunity. Animals suffer for a variety of reasons. First, the sense of pain is important for survival. If animals didn't feel pain, they could easily be burned to death or drowned. They would also be consumed excessively by their predators, and would become extinct. There is also the issue of providing imagry and allegory for greater spiritual purposes. For example, Christ is portrayed as a lamb led to slaughter. If animals didnt' suffer, then that imagry would be lost on us.

If I might ask, do you eat meat?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

No I do not.

To be honest that answer isn't acceptable to me. The key question is why god would allow a food source to suffer in it's being harvested, if you consider as religion tells us, that animals are our food source.

And compare the food source of animals to the food source of plants and plant by products which cannot feel and cannot suffer in being harvested.

Why does the perfect god create a food source, tell us we may use it for consumtion, but make it so that the food source will suffer in being harvested?

The answer is religion cannot morally justify this unless you accept religion's answer as the highest morality which it is not.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

See our species is here to care for all other living species.

What I find troubling regards religion is it sucks so many billion in with promises of eternal bliss without regard for the suffering of this world which is real.

We are here to end it. As god created this pain for himself, we are here to end it.

And that is my message. So that when I die maybe it will be recieved.

 

[KarateCowboy]

What is the nature of Thruth?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

I look at truth this way.

For how I see the world and our purpose and how I see through the facade of this world there are still many things I do not know. I don't know wether the evolution of life took place over the billions of years it is said to have taken, or wether that evidence was created articifially and if so for what purpose.

And many other things. But what is key is that here and now our species has the greatest intelligence and the greatest power (responsability) on this planet and other species fight eachother to survive, prey animals live in fear and predators live off killing.

We could use our power to stop prey living in fear. To stop predators killing. We can feed every creature and care for every creature. When we do right by the world and do this, which is our purpose, things which we cannot imagine could happen, WILL happen.

That is what I see as truth. That we are here to end the suffering of life. Guatama taught that the suffering of life is what we must individually escape from. But key in my philosophy is that any utopia will not exist in an afterlife.

This is my prophecy.

That when our species does right by the world which means caring for eachother and all life, then life will respond in kind. Carnivores will not need meat to survive. Disease will not occur. Death and birth will not occur.

At this point life will have succeeded and god will have passed his test.

 

[vedickings]

I look at truth this way.

For how I see the world and our purpose and how I see through the facade of this world there are still many things I do not know. I don't know wether the evolution of life took place over the billions of years it is said to have taken, or wether that evidence was created articifially and if so for what purpose.

And many other things. But what is key is that here and now our species has the greatest intelligence and the greatest power (responsability) on this planet and other species fight eachother to survive, prey animals live in fear and predators live off killing.

We could use our power to stop prey living in fear. To stop predators killing. We can feed every creature and care for every creature. When we do right by the world and do this, which is our purpose, things which we cannot imagine could happen, WILL happen.

That is what I see as truth. That we are here to end the suffering of life. Guatama taught that the suffering of life is what we must individually escape from. But key in my philosophy is that any utopia will not exist in an afterlife.

This is my prophecy.

That when our species does right by the world which means caring for eachother and all life, then life will respond in kind. Carnivores will not need meat to survive. Disease will not occur. Death and birth will not occur.

At this point life will have succeeded and god will have passed his test.

You sound like a Hindu/Buddhist as in non-harming or ahimsa.

 

[vedickings]

My vegetarianism is not based on a moral or ethical objection to meat, but is simply a dietary choice (also, being raised vegetarian makes it a sort of habit to me)

And if im not mistaking, you were raised in a Hindu family? If yes that would explain your vegetarianism.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

Ahh I do like buddhism vedick!

 

[vedickings]

Ahh I do like buddhism vedick!

Me too.

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

As we are superior to animals, and they are our food source, why is it they can feel pain? Why did god create a food source that can suffer?

We're not superior to animals, but animals also eat animals as well... are they cruel because they slaughter animals?

However, we have broken the basic rule of "taking more than we need", and humanity is about to find out we're not above that law. Read Ishmael, by Daniel Quinn, I bet you'll find it really interesting.

 

[0rion]

The nature of truth is what I the founder of truthism see as true.

Hi mnbvcxz87,

I wouldn't want to rain on your parade, but Truthism has been around for thousands of years. It is called Epistemology.

But as for your definition, your religion should be "mnbvcxz87 Truthism"... since it is about your subjective truths.

If the entire world followed and practiced truthism there would be no death and no suffering and no cycle of life in the world. On an individual level, following truthism will bring to the individual satisfaction with life, not bliss but satisfaction.

Seems to me that this religion is sort of like an RPG?

There are no books on it, only what I have written myself so that it is not written by someone other than me and changed. When I die what it says will be undisputable this way.

That's cool... I think everyone should start their own religion.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

SarcasmDispenser the issue of animal violence toward other animals is one that in truthism, a mystical belief is required. This suffering is explained and understood, but also not inevitable. It was necessary to exist, but can be stopped entirely by our actions, as can all naturally occuring damaging occurrences, such as natural disasters, poisonous plants etc.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

Would anyone else like to know about any aspect of truthism?

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

All natural disasters will be stopped by our actions?

How?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

Through the belief that the world, carnivores, natural disasters etc. occurr because we are using our power on this planet wrongly, and living immorally.

The belief is that if we did the best we could, and lived morally, then these natural ocurrences would cease and change. It's a karmaic ideal, that life treats us, and itself (carnivores) according to how we treat it and eachother.

Should we do right, it would too.

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

Based on what I've learned off karma, that really has nothing to do with natural disasters. But I see what your belief is, what is that belief based on? Most beliefs have some sort of revelation, or they have factual evidence to back it up. Is yours either?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

It's not karma in the eastern religious sense, just a way of describing the idea.

There was no revelation, and certainly no factual evidence.

I believe truthism simply because it makes sense. It explains why animals are here, why apparant injustices occurr to people, why suffering existed in the first place, why naturally 'bad' things occurr, carnivores, our purpose etc.

The belief is based on primarily suffering and how we can end it. Truthism does not state that regardless of what occurrs ona global level, we will live a new spiritual life when we die. Rather it teaches that what exists here is real and that it can be good, but it is down to us. We are the power on this planet and it is our responsibility to create a better world.

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

Cool, it sounds almost identical to humanism to me.

 

[mnbvcxz87]

That's a part of it, it's like a combination of humanism pantheism some religious ideas veganism and ehh a whole load of other stuff!