There's been another assassination attempt on Trump

[variant]

I am not laying the blame on any side of the political aisle for the actions of wannabe assassins.

Yeah sorry, I was apparently reading someone else on another thread. Apologies.

I edited that post to correct.

I agree, but rather I think our inflamed politics has more than one cause.

I'm not actually meaning to blame Trump here either, as he hasn't actually called for violence or perpetrated any.

 

[Vambram]

After the first attempt the Secret Service asked him not to hold outdoor rallies. He refused.
I am sure they demanded the same of Harris.
I don't admire people who put others at unnecessary risk, including his rally attendees.

Has the SS demanded Harris not have outdoor rallies? I am not aware of that. Why cannot the SS adequately protect presidential candidates to enable them to have outdoor rallies? Surely, there ought to be more than enough adequate resources to do so.

 

[BPPLEE]

Essentially the right wing thinks that the former president can do and say whatever he wants, no questions asked, but the left is always responsible for any crazy that might want to kill him.

The left has been saying his rhetoric is causing violence while they compare him to Hitler and call him a threat to Democracy.
I would take them more seriously if they weren't doing the same thing.

 

[BPPLEE]

After the first attempt the Secret Service asked him not to hold outdoor rallies. He refused.
I am sure they demanded the same of Harris.
I don't admire people who put others at unnecessary risk, including his rally attendees.

He wasn't holding an outdoor rally he was playing golf

 

[variant]

The left has been saying his rhetoric is causing violence while they compare him to Hitler and call him a threat to Democracy.
I would take them more seriously if they weren't doing the same thing.

I think the left considers those statements true. Should we stop saying stuff on account of there being the possibility of crazies perpetrating violence and allow him to say and do as whatever he pleases?

 

[BPPLEE]

I think the left considers those statements true. Should we stop saying stuff on account of there being the possibility of crazies perpetrating violence and allow him to say and do as whatever he pleases?

Then realize that freedom of speech includes things that you disagree with.
Don't bemoan his rhetoric while you do the same thing

 

[loveofourlord]

The problem isn't what trump said about the haitians, it's that they were flat out racist lies.

 

[variant]

Then realize that freedom of speech includes things that you disagree with.
Don't bemoan his rhetoric while you do the same thing

So, long as everyone realizes that the only people to blame for political violence are the perpetrators and people who actually call for violence I'm fine.

 

[Fantine]

I guess it's time for an ethics lesson.
Freedom embraces responsibility and is guided by virtue; license is freedom without restraint.
Freedom recognizes that we live in a society and must, if we are mature and ethical, consider the ramifications our "freedom" may have on others.
In a recent example, a candidate's lies caused school, government building and hospital closures due to bomb threats and put innocent refugees in danger.
Freedom yes. License no.

 

[RileyG]

It won’t be surprised if it turns out to be some deranged Swiftie.

Not funny.

How would you feel if someone said that about your family member?

 

[RileyG]

Of course he has his freedom of speech, however, that doesn’t protect him from someone angry enough to want to kill him over it. Having said that, I will not go so far as that was this person’s motive. We will have to wait for that to come out.

Kill someone over something a politician said?

You think that’s justified???

are you serious????

 

[BPPLEE]

I guess it's time for an ethics lesson.
Freedom embraces responsibility and is guided by virtue; license is freedom without restraint.
Freedom recognizes that we live in a society and must, if we are mature and ethical, consider the ramifications our "freedom" may have on others.
In a recent example, a candidate's lies caused school, government building and hospital closures due to bomb threats and put innocent refugees in danger.
Freedom yes. License no.

Freedom of speech covers all speech no matter how idiotic or how much you don't like it.
When you start trying to censor it where do you stop?

 

[Vambram]

I guess it's time for an ethics lesson.
Freedom embraces responsibility and is guided by virtue; license is freedom without restraint.
Freedom recognizes that we live in a society and must, if we are mature and ethical, consider the ramifications our "freedom" may have on others.
In a recent example, a candidate's lies caused school, government building and hospital closures due to bomb threats and put innocent refugees in danger.
Freedom yes. License no.

What about the ethics lesson when the left constantly and consistently equates Donald Trump to Hitler or a threat to Democracy? Where is the responsibility from the leadership of the Democratic Party when it comes to vitriolic attacks like that?

 

[RileyG]

What about the ethics lesson when the left constantly and consistently equates Donald Trump to Hitler or a threat to Democracy? Where is the responsibility from the leadership of the Democratic Party when it comes to vitriolic attacks like that?

Trump is probably one of the most hated presidents in history.

If Obama was criticized by anyone, even for legitimate reasons, liberals screamed “RACICM”!

Yet, it’s ok to laugh about threats on Trump’s life because he’s white and so-called “privileged.”

Makes no sense.

 

[Petros2015]

"Pop Pop," said the two popcorn kernels.

And all the rest of them started sweating.

 

[RileyG]

I guess it's time for an ethics lesson.
Freedom embraces responsibility and is guided by virtue; license is freedom without restraint.
Freedom recognizes that we live in a society and must, if we are mature and ethical, consider the ramifications our "freedom" may have on others.
In a recent example, a candidate's lies caused school, government building and hospital closures due to bomb threats and put innocent refugees in danger.
Freedom yes. License no.

I simply cannot agree.

Trump didn’t cause the bomb threats. Sure, he said something stupid, but the only people responsible for those actions are the one who did them.

It’s like how some people blame movies for violence.

Not so.

 

[RileyG]

The problem isn't what trump said about the haitians, it's that they were flat out racist lies.

He said something stupid. Anyone surprised?

 

[SummerMadness]

I agree with @variant. After the first Trump assassination attempt, people were seeking to capitalize on the incident and demand that liberals change their rhetoric. Talking about Project 2025, comparing Trump to an autocrat or a dictator was seen as inflaming people to carry out political violence. While I disagree with the poster in this thread, Trump is also guilty of using the same rhetoric considered inflammatory, but you have posters just calling it freedom of speech.

It's all freedom of speech, let's not attempt to curtail people's speech. With that said, in a polarized setting as we have in the country currently, extreme rhetoric directed at immigrants and the like does not promote that cooler heads must prevail.

 

[BPPLEE]

I agree with @variant. After the first Trump assassination attempt, people were seeking to capitalize on the incident and demand that liberals change their rhetoric. Talking about Project 2025, comparing Trump to an autocrat or a dictator was seen as inflaming people to carry out political violence. While I disagree with the poster in this thread, Trump is also guilty of using the same rhetoric considered inflammatory, but you have posters just calling it freedom of speech.

It's all freedom of speech, let's not attempt to curtail people's speech. With that said, in a polarized setting as we have in the country currently, extreme rhetoric directed at immigrants and the like does not promote that cooler heads must prevail.

Freedom of speech goes both ways. They are free to say whatever they want about Trump but don't whine about what he's doing when you're doing the same thing

 

[Fantine]

What about the ethics lesson when the left constantly and consistently equates Donald Trump to Hitler or a threat to Democracy? Where is the responsibility from the leadership of the Democratic Party when it comes to vitriolic attacks like that?

When progressives say Trump is a threat to democracy--due to numerous indictments in Georgia and D.C. covering trying to change election results and inciting an insurrection--they are just stating the unvarnished truth.

And what do they ask the crowds to do? Vote. Just vote. Not storm the Capitol.
Not set up fake electors. Just vote!
To tell the truth---based on substantial evidence, including video--and ask people to vote.

What a bunch of rabble rousers. NOT! ROFL.