The revised Old Covenant

[Xeno.of.athens]

God's will is expressed all throughout the Bible including Psa 40:8

It would help if your citations were accurate.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It would help if your citations were accurate.

What isn't accurate? I quoted Psalms are you saying its not accurate?

Psa 89:34 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

No, God didn't, the people did as the Text clearly shows.

Have you read Zechariah 11:10?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Have you read Zechariah 11:10?

There are lots of agreements in the Scripture, not just one. The New Covenant is spoken of in Hebrews, which is what I quoted, so its the context and the Scriptures are pretty clear who broke the covenant, not God as He promised He wouldn't and God keeps His promises. However, I'll look at Zec 11:10 in more detail when I have more time.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Here it is:

10 And I take my staff Pleasantness, and cut it apart, to make void my covenant that I had made with all the peoples: 11 and it is broken in that day, and the afflicted of the flock who are observing me know well, that it [is] a word of YHWH. 12 And I say to them: “If good in your eyes, give my hire, and if not, refrain”; and they weigh out my hire—thirty pieces of silver. 13 And YHWH says to me, “Cast it to the potter”; the good price that I have been prized at by them, and I take the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them [into] the house of YHWH, to the potter.
Zechariah 11:10-13

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

What isn't accurate? I quoted Psalms are you saying its not accurate?

Psa 89:34 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

you claims to be quoting Hebrews 10:7

 

[SabbathBlessings]

you claims to be quoting Hebrews 10:7

I see, I meant Heb 8:7

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I see, I meant Heb 8:7

never mind.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here it is:

10 And I take my staff Pleasantness, and cut it apart, to make void my covenant that I had made with all the peoples: 11 and it is broken in that day, and the afflicted of the flock who are observing me know well, that it [is] a word of YHWH. 12 And I say to them: “If good in your eyes, give my hire, and if not, refrain”; and they weigh out my hire—thirty pieces of silver. 13 And YHWH says to me, “Cast it to the potter”; the good price that I have been prized at by them, and I take the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them [into] the house of YHWH, to the potter.
Zechariah 11:10-13

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant


Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Keeping His promise

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

 

[Clare73]

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord:

I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Keeping His promise
Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

God did not break the covenant, the people did.

God does not break covenants, the people do, rendering them ineffective.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God did not break the covenant, the people did.

God does not break covenants, the people do, rendering them ineffective.

Agreed

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Did you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

We are talking about the New Covenant, so best to stay with the context showing where is the fault, not with God, God did not break His covenant as the Text shows in the context of the New Covenant

Also, it's worth noting that although you report yourself talking about the New Covenant, that does not describe all of us. Some of us are talking about a false claim of a revision of the old covenant, of which there was none. God said He broke that covenant. There is a new covenant. It is not a revision of the old. There is absolutely nothing in Holy Scripture discussing a revision of the old. It is a new covenant, and unlike under the old, He receives both Jews and Gentiles into it, and we become neither Jew nor Gentile, but children of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Also, it's worth noting that although you report yourself talking about the New Covenant, that does not describe all of us. Some of us are talking about a false claim of a revision of the old covenant, of which there was none. God said He broke that covenant. There is a new covenant. It is not a revision of the old. There is absolutely nothing in Holy Scripture discussing a revision of the old. It is a new covenant, and unlike under the old, He receives both Jews and Gentiles into it, and we become neither Jew nor Gentile, but children of God.

Can you quote where God broke the covenant, instead of the people which is what the Scripture states.

Yes, there is a New Covenant, based on better promises Heb 8:6 so thats where I would spend my time focusing on, what are these better promises on how we can keep God’s law that He placed in our heart Heb 8:10. Jesus taught when we keep our own laws/traditions in lieu of God’s commandments quoting directly from the Ten Commandments, He said ones heart is far from Him Mat 15:3-14, because it shows rebellion on what God placed there, instead of keeping firm what He placed there, because we love Him so much John 14:15 1 John 5:3

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Can you quote where God broke the covenant, instead of the people which is what the Scripture states.

So now I'll ask it yet again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, there is a New Covenant, based on better promises

Glad to see this..

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So now I'll ask it yet again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Glad to see this..

How does that relates to the New Covenant where God plainly said the people broke, not He. The whole reason He made a New Covenant, established on better promises, still containing God’s law now written in the heart and mind.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

How does that relates to the New Covenant where God plainly said the people broke, not He. The whole reason He made a New Covenant, established on better promises, still containing God’s law now written in the heart and mind.

And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, but what does that have to do with what is being discussed the New Covenant in Heb 8:6-10 where God said where the fault was and who broke the covenant and it wasn’t He. Why do you not believe this?

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this isthe covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Psa 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Zech is about the prophey of the Shepards, its not the context of Heb 8:6-10 so not sure your point.

Prophecy of the Shepherds​

4 Thus says the Lord my God, “Feed the flock for slaughter, 5 whose owners slaughter them and feel no guilt; those who sell them say, ‘Blessed be the Lord, for I am rich’; and their shepherds do not pity them. 6 For I will no longer pity the inhabitants of the land,” says the Lord. “But indeed I will give everyone into his neighbor’s hand and into the hand of his king. They shall [b]attack the land, and I will not deliver them from their hand.”

7 So I fed the flock for slaughter, [c]in particular the poor of the flock. I took for myself two staffs: the one I called [d]Beauty, and the other I called [e]Bonds; and I fed the flock. 8 I [f]dismissed the three shepherds in one month. My soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then I said, “I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other’s flesh.” 10 And I took my staff, [g]Beauty, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. 11 So it was broken on that day. Thus the[h] poor of the flock, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12 Then I said to them, “If it is [i]agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain.” So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter”—that princely price they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter. 14 Then I cut in two my other staff, [j]Bonds, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

15 And the Lord said to me, “Next, take for yourself the implements of a foolish shepherd. 16 For indeed I will raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for those who are cut off, nor seek the young, nor heal those that are broken, nor feed those that still stand. But he will eat the flesh of the fat and tear their hooves in pieces.

17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd,
Who leaves the flock!
A sword shall be against his arm
And against his right eye;
His arm shall completely wither,
And his right eye shall be totally blinded.”

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

JEBofChristTheLord said:
And so I will ask it even again. Have you read Zechariah 11:10-13?

Yes, but what does that have to do with what is being discussed the New Covenant in Heb 8:6-10 where God said where the fault was and who broke the covenant and it wasn’t He. Why do you not believe this?

Well, let's just bring forth Hebrews 8:6-10.

6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hebrews 8:6-9

It is not written in those verses, that the children of Israel broke the covenant. It is written that they "continued not in my covenant". That is not the same as breaking it. That covenant was made by God Himself, it contained a large number of promises by Him, and it therefore could not be broken by men and women, it was infinitely larger and more powerful than all of the men and women to which it applied and to which it could have been applied. Within that covenant was a promise to restore, and a promise to fleshly generations. And God broke that covenant. No one is born into it anymore, and neither can anyone be restored into it, anymore.

 

[ozso]

Virtually all of Christianity vs the abstract unorthodox fringe teaching of Seventh-day Adventistim. And yet another thread taken over by it.