The Rapture theory is true?

[keras]

I think you must ignore the special dispensation God gave to Paul specifically for the Gentile church of today. God suspended Jewish time to make room for Gentile time. The Gentile dispensation is like am alarm clock set for a specific number of Gentiles to come in. When that final Gentile is saved, the Gentile alarm will go off, the rapture will take place, the Day of the Lord will begin, and a few days later, Daniel's 70th week. The Jewish clock will begin once again, and it will be like another alarm clock, set for 2520 days, or 84 months. When this time is up, JESUS will return with the armies of heaven.

This is confirmed by the fact that all saved people will be there IN HEAVEN for the marriage and supper. Then Rev. 20 shows them back on earth judging. HOW did they get from heaven to earth? Simple: we will follow Jesus on white horses. I believe, if someone wishes to remain in heaven and miss out on all the fun, God may possibly honor their faith. Same with those that don't believe in Paul's rapture. God will honor their faith and leave them behind.

A well made up reply. Too bad it is total error and not what the Prophetic Word says at all.
You will need to prove your faith, just like everyone else, to remain as one of Gods people.

 

[FredVB]

What matters and prevails is the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD-John 1:1-GOD Himself, and JESUS is the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD, the Word-GOD Father-Hebrews 1:3- , so Word made flesh-John 1:14, JESUS is the IMAGE of GOD revealed and written in the Bible-Colossians 1:15, the book of the Lord. The interpretation above you have posted is the LITERAL fulfilment of the Word made flesh-JESUS, my Lord JESUS, saying : ... No man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal Him-Luke 10:22.
The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of GOD: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things,...1Cor.2:14-15.

Opinion is good for nothing, it's a stumbling block-Genesis 3:1. Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective.

The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven in flaming FIRE taking vengeance on them that know not GOD, and that obey not the His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His power; when He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe in this Day. 2Thessalonians 1:7-10 combined with Matthew 28:18, --> the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last milennium..

Joshua 5:13-15
13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his Sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but as captain (a Prince) of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
15 And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Daniel 12:-13
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(because Michael stand up): and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Matthew 24:15 and 21-23
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand )
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man(Pastors, Bishops, Evangelists, etc.) shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ(John 5:43-47.Take a look), or there; BELIEVE IT NOT.

Revelation 12:7 and 10-11
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his messengers fought against the dragon(Revelation 13:11); and the dragon-Revelation 13:11- fought and his messengers(2Corinthians 11:13-15),
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our GOD (Revelation 11:15-18-Take a look) and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the Word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

The WORD IS GOD, self-executing. Understand?

Logos, the Word with God who is God, is God of course. Logos came in the incarnation, called the Son of God, as Jesus Christ. He is that way really a man, not the Bible, while he supported what is said in scriptures, most specifically against traditions to those he had to speak against for passing those off as being from God.

Most who I tell don't really go and look at Isaiah 24 even when I mention it. If they do they dismiss it. It is talking about the collapse just as Revelation 18 is. So it is not a limited collapse. And those who would be God's people are told to come out, and they really do not belong there. It was not in the model for us or where we were told to be.

 

[Francis 1928]

True.

But did you define what you mean by "rapture theory"??

I dont believe in the Rapture .Paul tells us in the New Testament that we all must enter the judgement that there is not one just that wont .Grant there are instances in the OT that suggest different.Those are isolated instances . (My bible is not on me now otherwise Ide cite the instances. ) Paul Thigpen is an author .He wrote THE RAPTURE TRAP .I suggest our folks interested in this subject give it a gander.

 

[Postvieww]

The earth is desolate for 1000 years.

Chapter and verse please?

 

[Oseas]

Logos, the Word with God who is God, is God of course. Logos came in the incarnation, called the Son of God, as Jesus Christ. He is that way really a man, not the Bible, while he supported what is said in scriptures, most specifically against traditions to those he had to speak against for passing those off as being from God.

The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? So, what matters and prevails is the express Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, and WHERE is EXPRESSED THE WORD OF GOD for our acknoledgement?Hebrews 1:1-3
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets(the Bible, the Old Testament),
2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2000 years) spoken unto us by His Son(spoken by my Lord Jesus Christ-New Testament), whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of GOD's glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD(IMAGE by written in the Bible), and upholding all things by the Word of His power(as is written in the Bible), when JESUS had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

JESUS MADE IT SO CLEAR, SAYING: John 7:38 - He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.-> (the Scripture has said, where? in the Bible, as I have quoted, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself. Hebrews 4:12-13, take a look in the Bible).

-> Your thinking is from a mortal human perspective, a stumbling block-Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective.

 

[Oseas]

Most who I tell don't really go and look at Isaiah 24 even when I mention it. If they do they dismiss it. It is talking about the collapse just as Revelation 18 is. So it is not a limited collapse. And those who would be God's people are told to come out, and they really do not belong there. It was not in the model for us or where we were told to be.

Once you replace the Word of GOD by your own words-Genesis 3:1- , your testimony is good for nothing, for my Lord JESUS warned His people saying that "out of the heart proceed false witness, evil thoughts, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, these are the things which defile a man"-Matthew 15:19-20.

And John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord, said: John 3:31-36 -> 31 He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.

34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son (as the Scripture hath said) hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son(as the Scripture hath said) shall not see life; but the wrath of GOD abideth on him.

 

[BobRyan]

I dont believe in the Rapture .Paul tells us in the New Testament that we all must enter the judgement that there is not one just that wont .Grant there are instances in the OT that suggest different.Those are isolated instances . (My bible is not on me now otherwise Ide cite the instances. ) Paul Thigpen is an author .He wrote THE RAPTURE TRAP .I suggest our folks interested in this subject give it a gander.

IN the post-trib rapture -- we have this

1. 'Immediately after the tribulation" Matt 24:29 -- Christ sends angels to "Gather the elect from one end of the sky to the other" Matt 24:31
2. All the wicked are destroyed at Christ's appearing - 2 Thess 1:5-8 ... Rev 19:end of chapter
3. Earth is desolate for the 1000 years Jer 4:23-28. (no humans, only ruined cities)
4. The slain of the Lord from one end of Earth to the other Jer 25:33

Then the saints return after the 1000 years , the wicked are raised in the 2nd resurrection of Rev 20, they are then cast into the lake of fire and the saints have this Earth re-made into the New Heavens and New Earth of Rev 21 and 22.

 

[BobRyan]

The rapture and second coming happens after the millennium is post millennium.

Does not look like Rev 19 and 20 to me.

The earth is desolate for 1000 years.

agreed.

That is why amill took over and moved it into the church age.

???

 

[BobRyan]

There is no Antichrist revealed before the rapture or because of the rapture. That is fiction

2 Thess 2:1-8 says the rapture happens after the antichrist appears.
Matt 24:29-31 says the rapture happens after the tribulation

 

[Oseas]

Daniel 12:1-3 and 8-12
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up(Revelation 12), the great prince(Joshua 5:13-15) which standeth for the children of thy people(Revelation 7:1-8):and there shall be a time of trouble(anguish-Romans 2:9, sorrows-Matthew 24:1-8),such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time(Matthew 24:21-25), and at that time (time of the END, the current time(Matthew 24:1-15)thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake (RESSSURECTION - Isaiah 26:19-21), some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (1Thessalonians 4:15-16 combined with Revelation 11:15-18)

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament (Matthew 25:29, take a look); and they that turn many to righteousness as the STARS for ever and ever. (Be careful with the red Dragon, mainly his TAIL-Isaiah 9:15-16 combined with Revelation 12:4)

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the END: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.-> Matthew 25:29


8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice(JESUS's sacrifice already lasts around 738.000 days) shall be taken away(2Thessalonians 2:7-END OF THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (45 days after the end of the period of 1290 days-or 1260 plus 30 days.

 

[iamlamad]

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This is the truth.

I guess it is your kind of truth.

 

[iamlamad]

Jesus literally said he would come for us on the last day. It's as simple as that.

Who do you mean by "us?"

 

[Truth7t7]

The rapture is in 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.

The rapture is also Luke 21:34-36.

Matthew 24:15-31 is a message to the Jews (non Christians) who will have to go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians on how to avoid going through the great tribulation.

In Matthew 24:28 is the where the carcass is the eagles will gather. To avoid that physical destruction, them in Judea are told to flee to the mountains in Matthew 24:15-28.

Differently

In Matthew 24:40-42 the one taken, one left is not followed by where the eagles will gather, but to watch for the coming of our Lord - i.e. the rapture.


Concerning Jesus returning with the raptured saints, in Jude 1:14-15, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints.



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No such thing as a pre-trib rapture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale by John N. Darby in the 1830's

 

[FredVB]

The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand? So, what matters and prevails is the express Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, and WHERE is EXPRESSED THE WORD OF GOD for our acknoledgement?Hebrews 1:1-3
1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets(the Bible, the Old Testament),
2 Hath in these last days (last two days or last 2000 years) spoken unto us by His Son(spoken by my Lord Jesus Christ-New Testament), whom GOD hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of GOD's glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of the Person of GOD(IMAGE by written in the Bible), and upholding all things by the Word of His power(as is written in the Bible), when JESUS had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

JESUS MADE IT SO CLEAR, SAYING: John 7:38 - He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.-> (the Scripture has said, where? in the Bible, as I have quoted, I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself. Hebrews 4:12-13, take a look in the Bible).

-> Your thinking is from a mortal human perspective, a stumbling block-Genesis 3:1-, not from GOD's perspective.

Once you replace the Word of GOD by your own words-Genesis 3:1- , your testimony is good for nothing, for my Lord JESUS warned His people saying that "out of the heart proceed false witness, evil thoughts, blasphemies, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, these are the things which defile a man"-Matthew 15:19-20.

And John the Baptist, the angel of the Lord, said: John 3:31-36 -> 31 He that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that GOD is true.

34 For he whom GOD hath sent speaketh the words of GOD: for GOD giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into His hand.

36 He that believeth on the Son (as the Scripture hath said) hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son(as the Scripture hath said) shall not see life; but the wrath of GOD abideth on him.

[Yawn] Why do apparent believers act so arrogantly to others, over any disagreement? It really tarnishes any witness. Not one has more claim to understanding things from the Bible they all have been reading and studying than another.

 

[FPhelps]

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture, it's a fabricated man made fairy tale by John N. Darby in the 1830's

Thats right the rapture is a fairy tale made up by the exclusive brethren and Jn Darby

 

[FredVB]

God is not willing that we would perish, but this does not mean we would be taken out of any difficulties. Great difficulties are yet coming to this world while those causing destruction to this earth that God hates (Revelation 11:18) continue with that with no repentance. Believers would be caught up for being taken from this world when God's judgment, not for those really in Christ, comes to all yet here who are without repentance, this will ultimately come, after many things.

 

[FredVB]

When any of us would come out, it would not be for us to move to another city. There won't be another. They all will collapse, with Isaiah 24 showing this, and the people of God do not belong there. The beginning of the Bible shows what there is that is meant for us. The cities where godlessness grows will fall still with the coming collapse, and that one prophesied of as the beast will rise with followers with making his godless promises after Mystery Babylon has fallen.

 

[FredVB]

We either trust God's design that was to include people was perfect for us, which will mean it is a model for us, or we do not really trust that, shown in the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

Thats right the rapture is a fairy tale made up by the exclusive brethren and Jn Darby

This is the rapture.

1 Thess 4:13-18 (uses the term "rapturo" in Latin Vulgate version of Bible)
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

so also is this the rapture

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

 

[keras]

This is the rapture.

1 Thess 4:13-18 (uses the term "rapturo" in Latin Vulgate version of Bible)
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers and sisters, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as indeed the rest of mankind do, who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead, so also God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus. 15 For we say this to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who remain, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore, comfort one another with these words.

so also is this the rapture

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Not these scriptures, or any other says; the Church will be raptured to heaven.
They simply Prophesy how the Lord will gather those who have proved their faith to Him, in Jerusalem.