The Nephilim: Offspring of Angels and Humans?

[Nanopants]

Who is taking delight in "humility" and worship of angels on this forum?
Please name names, and show your reason for such an accusation..

I would hope that we're all mature enough to judge our own selves.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

In Enoch the prophet, the 7th from Adam's writing, Splicing genes is "root cutting" and making "acquainted with plants" was teaching the "hidden secrets" of DNA.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I would hope that we're all mature enough to judge our own selves.

So it is yesel' ye be talkin' of?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I don't believe that verse implies angels are sexless (neither male or female), but simply that they neither marry nor are they given in marriage.

The passage quoted was Jesus quoting Enoch the prophet's writing, which Jesus called Scripture: Jesus said so in that passage when he rebuked the Sadducees for not knowing the Scripture...that those who attain the kingdom of God will be like =equal with and companions of- the angels in heaven, who do not marry nor give in marriage.
The angels who sinned were Watchers who left their abode in heaven and remained on earth in bodies like men, and took "daughters of Adam kind flesh" as wives.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

I would hope that we're all mature enough to judge our own selves.

I would hope that we are all mature enough and humble enough to not accuse our bretheren and our sisteren for that is the job of Satan.

 

[Nanopants]

I would hope that we are all mature enough and humble enough to not accuse our bretheren and our sisteren for that is the job of Satan.

Here's a tip: the first one to point fingers at the devil doesn't get a free pass. The same was done to Christ.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

It never mentions gene splicing, it doesn't mention things of that nature. No where, at all, in any of its sacred pages.

The sons of God spliced genes, and taught the mixing of kinds, by unlawful mixing, which is iniquity, and made monsters.


There were two ארי אל lion el/god -little g, mixed kinds in Samuel and Chronicles.


2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.


It is being done today, also, by mixing DNA -the hidden secrets of life- of kinds, and God forbids it. To do it, "root cutting/gene splicing" is done.

God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds. -Next time, he cleanses the earth by fire.

There were the giants called "terrors" -nightmare causing creatures called "ימים Yem [im]" in Hebrew- in Moab, that Anah saw.

Genesis 36:24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.
Emim אימ ים = "terrors/plural".

Anah saw "Imim/Emim/Yemim", as was written in the Book of Jasher, chapter 36:

28 And the sons of Shobal were Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Onam, and the sons of Zibeon were Ajah, and Anah, this was that Anah who found the Yemim in the wilderness when he fed the asses of Zibeon his father.

29 And whilst he was feeding his father's asses he led them to the wilderness at different times to feed them.

30 And there was a day that he brought them to one of the deserts on the sea shore, opposite the wilderness of the people, and whilst he was feeding them, behold a very heavy storm came from the other side of the sea and rested upon the asses that were feeding there, and they all stood still.

31 And afterward about one hundred and twenty great and terrible animals came out from the wilderness at the other side of the sea, and they all came to the place where the asses were, and they placed themselves there.

32 And those animals, from their middle downward, were in the shape of the children of men, and from their middle upward, some had the likeness of bears, and some the likeness of the keephas, with tails behind them from between their shoulders reaching down to the earth, like the tails of the ducheephath, and these animals came and mounted and rode upon these asses, and led them away, and they went away unto this day.

33 And one of these animals approached Anah and smote him with his tail, and then fled from that place.

34 And when he saw this work he was exceedingly afraid of his life, and he fled and escaped to the city.

35 And he related to his sons and brothers all that had happened to him, and many men went to seek the asses but could not find them, and Anah and his brothers went no more to that place from that day following, for they were greatly afraid of their lives.

Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


Mixed kinds, in Moab, a place where " Emim" -giants whose name means "terrors", in the Bible: specifically a lion-el mixture is named in the Word of God.
2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Originally posted by ViaCrusis


Oh but it does and I posted the scripture. But, I will post it again.

Dan. 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.(KJV emphasis mine)

That's not gene splicing. That's referring to intermarriage of different peoples; specifically it is referring to the fracture of Alexander the Great's empire, when it was split among different factions, such as the Ptolemies in Egypt, the Seleucids in Persia, the "king of the south" and the "king of the north" in Daniel's apocalyptic portions.

The Macedonian Empire fractured, and was split between Alexander's generals, who would then squabble and fight amongst themselves, most significant for Daniel and the Jews is that the Seleucid and Ptolemaic kingdoms would fight one another over Judea and Syria in a number of Syrian Wars, with the Seleucids finally winning under the banner of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who is the "king of the north" who caused the "abomination that causes desolation" when he had a pig offered to Zeus in the Holy of Holies in the Temple in Jerusalem, which ultimately led to the Maccabean revolt.

Gene splicing? No. Rather simply that the Greek successor states were frail and wouldn't last.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

The sons of God spliced genes.

No.

There were two ארי אל lion el/god -little g, mixed kinds in Samuel and Chronicles.


2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.

So you're suggestion is that these two individuals were human/lion halfbreeds?

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and stamp a big solid No on that one as well. But bonus points for having a good imagination.

It is being done today, also, by mixing DNA -the hidden secrets of life- of kinds, and God forbids it. To do it, "root cutting/gene splicing" is done.

Nope. Since Scripture doesn't mention gene splicing, that defeats your statement here. It's patently absurd, silly, and unbiblical.

God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds. -Next time, he cleanses the earth by fire.

Not according to the Bible. According to the Bible the flood was sent because of man's wickedness. And the judgment by fire has nothing to do with genetic mutations in the future, but rather the coming day of judgment upon mankind for our sin, and the restoration of creation at Christ's glorious coming.

We're talking Scripture here, not poor Hollywood science fiction.

There were the giants called "terrors" -nightmare causing creatures called "ימים Yem [im]" in Hebrew- in Moab, that Anah saw.

Genesis 36:24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.
Emim אימ ים = "terrors/plural".

The meaning of yem is uncertain, it comes from the root ywm, "day" or "time", and has been variously translated as either "mule" or "hot spring". However the reading "found the mules in the wilderness, in his feeding the donkeys of Zibeon his father" is a sensible reading of the text.

It doesn't refer to monstrous hybrids, that much is certain.

Anah saw "Imim/Emim/Yemim", as was written in the Book of Jasher, chapter 36: Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

We've been over this many times before. The book of Jasher is long lost, and the book you think is Jasher is a known modern forgery. Referring to it and quoting from it is meaningless to me, you might as well quote the works of Tolkein to convince me that the uruk-hai are real. Even then, at least Tolkein admits his work is fiction.

Mixed kinds, in Moab, a place where " Emim" -giants whose name means "terrors", in the Bible: specifically a lion-el mixture is named in the Word of God.

2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.

The אריאל are most likely a reference to great men of lion-like strength. Saying they are titanic lion-man godbeasts is, to put it as frankly as possible, incredibly stupid.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[yeshuasavedme]

It's amazing isn't it, when you realize you've been trying to talk to someone who doesn't even live on the same planet as you do.

-CryptoLutheran

Read the Bible for doctrine on/about earth: In God's Word, Earth is not a planet. Planet means wanderer. Earth does not wander, roam, rotate/spin, or orbit anything, but the stretched out from the earth heavens circle the earth once, in a 24 hour day, and the stars, sun, and moon have their own peculiar paths ordained by the Creator which they follow within that circle of the earth in their peculiar orbits -and it is all revealed by Enoch the prophet, who was taken on a tour of the heavens and the earth, and Sheol below earth, and to see Chaos, the Lake of Fire.


However, the Word of God does say that in the Great Tribulation:
earth will be moved out of its fixed place
and will jump about as a hunted roe
and will stagger as a drunken man,
and will be turned upside down;
the seasons will be backwards
and the sun will smite men on earth, burning much hotter,
and the moon will smite men on earth, burning as hotly as the sun,
and in that time, the days will be cut off from their shining by one third of them,
and the night also will be cut off from one third of its shining,
so that all flesh on earth does not perish.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...incredibly stupid.

-CryptoLutheran

https://www.google.com/search?q=sum...AHqx4GwBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1459&bih=819
Sumerian [Shinar became Sumer] [Bablonian] insectoid giant, insect -el monster.

A giant has a lion for a "kitty Kat".

Goat -el monsters [fauns]

Eagle -El monster

monster els

 

[Jipsah]

In Enoch the prophet, the 7th from Adam's writing

Who (just FYI) wasn't, in fact, the author of the "Book of Enoch". The original Enoch had been in Heaven a long, long time when someone with (or just using) the same name wrote his non-canonical book.

Splicing genes is "root cutting" and making "acquainted with plants" was teaching the "hidden secrets" of DNA.

If you want it to, sure. The old reliable "what that really means..." device allows one to extract whatever meaning one likes from any verbiage at all.

 

[Apokalypsi Dekaoktw]

The Truth of the Matter, - TRUTH Of The Sons Of GOD - The Biblical TRUTH

Discussion? PM me.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So lets visit this again:

The sons of God spliced genes, and taught the mixing of kinds, by unlawful mixing, which is iniquity, and made monsters.


There were two ארי אל lion el/god -little g, mixed kinds in Samuel and Chronicles.


2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.


It is being done today, also, by mixing DNA -the hidden secrets of life- of kinds, and God forbids it. To do it, "root cutting/gene splicing" is done.

God sent the flood to cleanse the earth of the corrupted flesh of all the kinds. -Next time, he cleanses the earth by fire.

There were the giants called "terrors" -nightmare causing creatures called "ימים Yem [im]" in Hebrew- in Moab, that Anah saw.

Genesis 36:24 And these [are] sons of Zibeon, both Ajah and Anah: it [is] Anah that hath found the Imim in the wilderness, in his feeding the asses of Zibeon his father.
Emim אימ ים = "terrors/plural".

Anah saw "Imim/Emim/Yemim", as was written in the Book of Jasher, chapter 36:

28 And the sons of Shobal were Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Onam, and the sons of Zibeon were Ajah, and Anah, this was that Anah who found the Yemim in the wilderness when he fed the asses of Zibeon his father.

29 And whilst he was feeding his father's asses he led them to the wilderness at different times to feed them.

30 And there was a day that he brought them to one of the deserts on the sea shore, opposite the wilderness of the people, and whilst he was feeding them, behold a very heavy storm came from the other side of the sea and rested upon the asses that were feeding there, and they all stood still.

31 And afterward about one hundred and twenty great and terrible animals came out from the wilderness at the other side of the sea, and they all came to the place where the asses were, and they placed themselves there.

32 And those animals, from their middle downward, were in the shape of the children of men, and from their middle upward, some had the likeness of bears, and some the likeness of the keephas, with tails behind them from between their shoulders reaching down to the earth, like the tails of the ducheephath, and these animals came and mounted and rode upon these asses, and led them away, and they went away unto this day.

33 And one of these animals approached Anah and smote him with his tail, and then fled from that place.

34 And when he saw this work he was exceedingly afraid of his life, and he fled and escaped to the city.

35 And he related to his sons and brothers all that had happened to him, and many men went to seek the asses but could not find them, and Anah and his brothers went no more to that place from that day following, for they were greatly afraid of their lives.
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Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.


Mixed kinds, in Moab, a place where " Emim" -giants whose name means "terrors", in the Bible: specifically a lion-el mixture is named in the Word of God.
2Sa 23:20
And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two ארי אל of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:
1 Chronicles 11:22 also states the same.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

https://www.google.com/search?q=sum...AHqx4GwBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1459&bih=819
Sumerian [Shinar became Sumer] [Bablonian] insectoid giant, insect -el monster.

A giant has a lion for a "kitty Kat".

Goat -el monsters [fauns]

Eagle -El monster

monster els

All these ancient writings and the Witness of the torah, tell us about the mixing of kinds the fallen angels taught, and did.
Jasher, Book of the Giants; Torah; Book of Enoch 1 -Ethiopian Enoch/DSS Enoch [copies of copies going back to Enoch the prophet's original writing.

Dead Sea Scroll manuscript "Genesis Apocryphon" has Abraham's own writing in it, and he read to the Egyptians the Book of Enoch, when the wise men of Pharaoh returned Sarah to him and asked him to teach them "Wisdom, Values, and Truth", and so Abram read to them from the Book of Enoch.

 

[ChetSinger]

The book of Enoch is a difficult book to classify. On the one hand, it's not considered scripture by either Jews or Christians. On the other hand, Peter and Jude refer to events contained within it.

A conservative view is that Peter and Jude considered at least some portions of the book good enough to quote, even if the book as a whole was not considered worthy enough to be considered scripture.

That being said, the literal interpretation of the Genesis 6, that divine beings did leave Heaven, take on flesh and mate with human women, is described in the book. God punished those beings by imprisoning them in the underworld, awaiting judgment. Their children, the Nephilim, were killed in Flood and their spirits were left to wander the earth as demons.

It's wild stuff, but it was part of Jewish culture during the Second Temple period.

What's wilder is that Jude and Peter refer to it.

Here's the passage in Jude:

You also know that the angels who did not keep within their proper domain but abandoned their own place of residence, he has kept in eternal chains in utter darkness, locked up for the judgment of the great Day.

And here's the passage in 2 Peter:

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell and locked them up in chains in utter darkness, to be kept until the judgment...

The word translated as 'hell' is actually 'Tartarus', a place in the underworld where the Greeks believed the Titans were imprisoned after being defeated. Peter's use of the word Tartarus, its only appearance in the NT, is certainly no accident. The similarities between the Titans of the Greeks and the sons of God of the Hebrews are too eerie to be circumstantial, imo.

There are all kinds of wild ramblings on the internet on this subject, and much of it goes well beyond what the texts actually say. A reputable and published Christian scholar who has written much on this subject is Dr. Michael Heiser, the academic editor at Logos Bible Software. Good stuff, and I recommend it.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The two sirens in Zechariah 5 are disembodied female nephillim demon spirits, and Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, gave the Word of the LORD about those female giants: they would be sirens on the earth

Sirens were first depicted as part stork, part human...they later were also depicted as mermaids.

Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

Siren Eimi, "I am a Siren", Vase painting
Sirens


Enoch: The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
The Bottomless Pit
10And beyond these mountains Is a region the end of the great earth: there the heavens were completed. 11And I saw a deep abyss, with columns of heavenly fire, and among them I saw columns of fire fall, which were beyond measure alike towards the height and towards the depth. 12And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place. 13I saw there seven stars like great burning mountains, and to me, when I inquired regarding them, The angel said: 14"This place is the end of heaven and earth: this has become a prison for the stars and the host of heaven. 15And the stars which roll over the fire are they which have transgressed the commandment of the Lord in the beginning of their rising, because they did not come forth at their appointed times. 16And He was wroth with them, and bound them till the time when their guilt should be consummated even for ten thousand years."
19 And Uriel said to me: "Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, here shall they stand, till the day of the great judgement in which they shall be judged till they are made an end of.

2And the women also of the angels who went astray shall become sirens."
3And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.

 

[mmksparbud]

Originally posted by ViaCrusis


Oh but it does and I posted the scripture. But, I will post it again.

Dan. 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.(KJV emphasis mine)

This has got nothing to do with angels---this is talking about the great image that King Nebuchadnezzer dreamed and which Daniel interpreted exactly what that dream meant. I you read it, it describes the kingdoms of the earth, starting with Nebuchadnezzer's kingdom of Gold, followed by the Medo-Persians, followed by the Greeks, followed by the Roman power (of iron) and the Kingdom of Iron-Rome-would be followed by the mixed iron and clay--which, if you look up history, is what became of Rome, it was defeated by the 10 tribes of which became the countries of Europe--and if you check into history a little further, you find that virtually all of the European monarchs and other royals were all marrying each other in order to try and unite Europe into one, they were marrying in other in order to try and form alliences--they're all still related if you follow their geneology--but God said it would not work, like iron and clay can not mix. Uniting the countries of Europe has been tried a few times--Napolean, Hitler certainly tried, but God said no. There are no more world powers to dominate the world as Christ will come back and it is His kingdom that smashes the Image and He sets up His kingdom. Just read the whole chapter of Daniel 2---it absolutly has nothing to do with gene splicing!

 

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