The Last Days

[ombowstring1]

Many people believe that we are fast approaching or have already entered into the last days, or the end of the world as we know it. There will be a momentous change to the way things are immediately when Jesus Christ returns to the planet coming in the clouds of heaven and immediately thereafter. Matthew chapter 24 provides a brief summation of these days.

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Things get worse after that. The beast will gain control over the whole earth. He will force people basically to bow down and worship him or be killed. Accompanying the beast will be a false prophet and Revelation 16:17 "And he (the false prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." By all means, do not receive the mark of the beast upon your body.

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

The identity of the beast will be made plain because Rev. 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The interpretation of this passage is that the beast will be shot in the head, an injury that would result in the death of any other man, but he will survive by the power of Satan.

Some time in the second half of the tribulation period, Jesus returns on the clouds and the saints, believers, will be raptured up to heaven. Then ensues the worst time in the history of the world, the seven angels coming with the last seven plagues. See Revelation chapter 15. The climactic battle of Armageddon occurs and (Rev. 19:20) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."


Then follows a thousand year period of peace on earth for those who got the victory over the beast. This is just a brief summation of what I have come to learn about the time of the return of Jesus Christ. There's an excellent book that goes into much more detail than I have here if you're interested. It's called "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal and is available at Amazon.com and I'm sure, at other booksellers as well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Many people believe that we are fast approaching or have already entered into the last days, or the end of the world as we know it. There will be a momentous change to the way things are immediately when Jesus Christ returns to the planet coming in the clouds of heaven and immediately thereafter. Matthew chapter 24 provides a brief summation of these days.

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Things get worse after that. The beast will gain control over the whole earth. He will force people basically to bow down and worship him or be killed. Accompanying the beast will be a false prophet and Revelation 16:17 "And he (the false prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." By all means, do not receive the mark of the beast upon your body.

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

The identity of the beast will be made plain because Rev. 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The interpretation of this passage is that the beast will be shot in the head, an injury that would result in the death of any other man, but he will survive by the power of Satan.

Some time in the second half of the tribulation period, Jesus returns on the clouds and the saints, believers, will be raptured up to heaven. Then ensues the worst time in the history of the world, the seven angels coming with the last seven plagues. See Revelation chapter 15. The climactic battle of Armageddon occurs and (Rev. 19:20) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."


Then follows a thousand year period of peace on earth for those who got the victory over the beast. This is just a brief summation of what I have come to learn about the time of the return of Jesus Christ. There's an excellent book that goes into much more detail than I have here if you're interested. It's called "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal and is available at Amazon.com and I'm sure, at other booksellers as well.

Can you show where it says the 1000 years will be on earth? I know its a popular teaching, but I haven’t seen it in scripture. It says the saints meet Jesus in the air at His return 1 Thess 4:17 and the earth will be desolate and all the wicked will be slain Isaiah 11:4 . Jesus said He prepares a place for the saints where His house has many mansions and where He goes He will come again and receive us John 14:2-6 So all indication the saints for the 1000 years will be in heaven with Jesus and comes down after the 1000 years where at that time, will be the second death and all sin and sinners will be destroyed forever He will make a New Heaven and New Earth after the 1000 years Revelation 21:2, 3

 

[timothyu]

People since Paul have believed their time period was the and of the age. Indeed ... everyone reaches the end of the age and judgement with their own life ending. We've been given enough time to figure it out and show with whom our allegiance is with, this world of man we have made in our own image, or with God (Hiss will be done, not ours). Of we cannot live in harmony with each other, let alone nature, what makes us think we can live with God?

 

[RandyPNW]

Many people believe that we are fast approaching or have already entered into the last days, or the end of the world as we know it. There will be a momentous change to the way things are immediately when Jesus Christ returns to the planet coming in the clouds of heaven and immediately thereafter. Matthew chapter 24 provides a brief summation of these days.

I'm always excited talking about the end times, but I also never tire of stating my own views, since I've invested so much time throughout my life to this subject. So don't feel offended if we disagree on some points. We agree on many.

Jesus actually came to usher in the Last Days. He came to initiate an end to the present corrupt system of government independent of God with a license for sin. He just is willing to delay bringing the current age to an immediate end to allow his Gospel to be preached throughout the earth, and to enable the international Church to come into existence and grow as a witness to the world.

Mat 24, or the Olivet Discourse, discusses the future of the Israeli state in Jesus' generation more than end time signs. The signs Jesus gave were primarily anticipating the fall of Jerusalem and the fall of Israel's temple system in his day. For Jesus his 1st Coming was a coming both to save believers and to judge unbelievers.

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

This so-called 7 year peace treaty is derived from a false view of Daniel's 70th Week, I believe. The Roman king confirmed God's covenant with Israel by having Jesus "cut off," or killed. It was an unwitting aspiration, but it confirmed God's covenant nonetheless.

The cutting off of Messiah in the midst of the 70th Week meant that the final and 70th Week was fulfilled in only half of a Week. This had nothing, in my opinion, to do with Antichrist, a 7 year Tribulation, or a peace treaty. But we can disagree agreeably on this.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Things get worse after that. The beast will gain control over the whole earth. He will force people basically to bow down and worship him or be killed. Accompanying the beast will be a false prophet and Revelation 16:17 "And he (the false prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." By all means, do not receive the mark of the beast upon your body.

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

That's certainly possible. The world, generally, agrees with an system in which they become their own gods, not being subjected to Christian rules. As Christian Civilization deteriorates, an Antichrist system will certainly take its place. It will be, I think, a kind of Antichristian Inquisition.

The identity of the beast will be made plain because Rev. 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The interpretation of this passage is that the beast will be shot in the head, an injury that would result in the death of any other man, but he will survive by the power of Satan.

I don't really know. My thought is that the reconstitution of the Beast is more like a revival of extinct Roman Imperialism. But I don't know.

Some time in the second half of the tribulation period, Jesus returns on the clouds and the saints, believers, will be raptured up to heaven. Then ensues the worst time in the history of the world, the seven angels coming with the last seven plagues. See Revelation chapter 15. The climactic battle of Armageddon occurs and (Rev. 19:20) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

In my view, the Great Tribulation is "great" because it refers to the longest period of Jewish Punishment in Israel's history--not because it is the most extreme judgment from God against the world in history. How can anything compare to the Flood or to the Nazi extermination of the Jews in WW2?

Then follows a thousand year period of peace on earth for those who got the victory over the beast. This is just a brief summation of what I have come to learn about the time of the return of Jesus Christ. There's an excellent book that goes into much more detail than I have here if you're interested. It's called "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal and is available at Amazon.com and I'm sure, at other booksellers as well.

The Pre-Wrath position is sort of cousin to my own Postrib position. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I certainly don't claim to be right in all of my positions!

 

[ombowstring1]

Many people believe that we are fast approaching or have already entered into the last days, or the end of the world as we know it. There will be a momentous change to the way things are immediately when Jesus Christ returns to the planet coming in the clouds of heaven and immediately thereafter. Matthew chapter 24 provides a brief summation of these days.

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Things get worse after that. The beast will gain control over the whole earth. He will force people basically to bow down and worship him or be killed. Accompanying the beast will be a false prophet and Revelation 16:17 "And he (the false prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." By all means, do not receive the mark of the beast upon your body.

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

The identity of the beast will be made plain because Rev. 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The interpretation of this passage is that the beast will be shot in the head, an injury that would result in the death of any other man, but he will survive by the power of Satan.

Some time in the second half of the tribulation period, Jesus returns on the clouds and the saints, believers, will be raptured up to heaven. Then ensues the worst time in the history of the world, the seven angels coming with the last seven plagues. See Revelation chapter 15. The climactic battle of Armageddon occurs and (Rev. 19:20) "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."


Then follows a thousand year period of peace on earth for those who got the victory over the beast. This is just a brief summation of what I have come to learn about the time of the return of Jesus Christ. There's an excellent book that goes into much more detail than I have here if you're interested. It's called "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church" by Marvin Rosenthal and is available at Amazon.com and I'm sure, at other booksellers as well.

Another sign -

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"

>> The "abomination of desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel, referring to a future event, and also a historical event, where a pagan idol is placed in the Jewish temple, causing desecration and destruction:

Historical Context:
The phrase originates in the Book of Daniel, specifically in Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11, where it describes the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid king who desecrated the Second Temple in Jerusalem by placing a pagan idol on the altar.
Jesus also mentions the "abomination of desolation" in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, referring to the prophecy in Daniel and warning his disciples about the destruction of the temple and the need to flee.
The phrase is interpreted by some as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Antichrist.
Future Fulfillment:
Some interpretations suggest that the "abomination of desolation" will occur again in the future, when the Third Temple is built in Jerusalem, and an idol is placed in it by the Antichrist.
This event is seen as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The "abomination of desolation" is also seen as a time marker signaling the nearness of the return of Jesus Christ. <<

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[Douggg]

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

Welcome to the forum ombowstring1.

Daniel 9:27 the confirmation of the covenant for 7 years is not a peace treaty. The Antichrist as the newly anointed king of Israel thought to be messiah by the false prophet will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 years according to a requirement that Moses made back in Deuteronomy 31:9-13. The 7 years are in that text.

The confirmation process will be a big speech from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs forever.

Then about 3 years into the 7 years, the Antichrist in 2Thessalonians2:4 will commit the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13, by sitting in the temple, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Revealing himself to be the man of sin and not the messiah as the Jews will have first thought. End of his time as the king of Israel, end of his time in the Antichrist role.


God, in Ezekiel 28:1-10, has the revealed man of sin killed for his audacious act. Then in disdain for the person, returns him to life, to become the beast. Who will become the beast-king, the dictator of the EU, Revelation 17:17.

 

[Douggg]

Another sign -

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"

>> The "abomination of desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel, referring to a future event, and also a historical event, where a pagan idol is placed in the Jewish temple, causing desecration and destruction:

Historical Context:
The phrase originates in the Book of Daniel, specifically in Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11, where it describes the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid king who desecrated the Second Temple in Jerusalem by placing a pagan idol on the altar.
Jesus also mentions the "abomination of desolation" in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, referring to the prophecy in Daniel and warning his disciples about the destruction of the temple and the need to flee.
The phrase is interpreted by some as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Antichrist.
Future Fulfillment:
Some interpretations suggest that the "abomination of desolation" will occur again in the future, when the Third Temple is built in Jerusalem, and an idol is placed in it by the Antichrist.
This event is seen as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The "abomination of desolation" is also seen as a time marker signaling the nearness of the return of Jesus Christ. <<

Google Search

The abomination of desolation of Matthew 24:15 will be a statue image made of the beast-king by the false prophet and placed on the temple mount. Revelation 13:14-15.

The statue image will come to life and speak because it will be indwelt by Satan when Satan is cast down to the earth in Revelation 12:7-9, having but a time, times, half time left.

At Jesus's return, the statue image will go up in flames and turned to ashes, exposing Satan there on the temple mount as everyone will be shocked, who had been worshiping the statue image. Ezekiel 28:16-19.

As the bride of Christ, we will be there that day, returning with Jesus, to see it all happen.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 28:
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

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Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Douggg]

 

[keras]

Is it not obvious that the Sixth Seal must be the next Prophesied event?
The Day the Lord sends His fiery wrath and clears and cleanses the holy Land? Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Psalms 83, Zephaniah 1:14-18

It is also the Day of our test by fire, 1 Peter 4:12
We should be aware of it and prepared to stand firm in our faith thru it all.

 

[RandyPNW]

Another sign -

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"

>> The "abomination of desolation" is a phrase from the Book of Daniel, referring to a future event, and also a historical event, where a pagan idol is placed in the Jewish temple, causing desecration and destruction:

Historical Context:
The phrase originates in the Book of Daniel, specifically in Daniel 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11, where it describes the actions of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, a Seleucid king who desecrated the Second Temple in Jerusalem by placing a pagan idol on the altar.
Jesus also mentions the "abomination of desolation" in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14, referring to the prophecy in Daniel and warning his disciples about the destruction of the temple and the need to flee.
The phrase is interpreted by some as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Antichrist.
Future Fulfillment:
Some interpretations suggest that the "abomination of desolation" will occur again in the future, when the Third Temple is built in Jerusalem, and an idol is placed in it by the Antichrist.
This event is seen as a sign of the end times and the coming of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
The "abomination of desolation" is also seen as a time marker signaling the nearness of the return of Jesus Christ. <<

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Yes, my own view is that in Daniel there are two AoDs--one Antiochus 4 and the other in Dan 9, the Roman Army66-70 AD.

 

[ombowstring1]

Doug et al., I agree that a covenant makes more sense than a peace treaty. However, the man of sin referred to in Ezekiel is obviously the King of Tyre. He may be a precursor to the beast, but he is not the beast. Many people believe that the beast will be Caesar Nero come back to life.

How do you determine that the beast will come out the EU?

SabbathBlessings, can you show in Scripture where the 1,000 year time of peace is not on earth? Rev. 5:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

These events occur on earth, as is written above.

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I have to admit that I'm not quite sure of the sequence of all these events, but it seems that the time of Gog and Magog comes after the 1,000 period of peace.

Also, Rev. 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This passage has been interpreted to mean that, through the capabilities of artificial intelligence, a robot-like figure will be made with the ability to speak and seemingly understand. This image of the beast is thought to be the abomination of desolation.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Doug et al., I agree that a covenant makes more sense than a peace treaty. However, the man of sin referred to in Ezekiel is obviously the King of Tyre. He may be a precursor to the beast, but he is not the beast. Many people believe that the beast will be Caesar Nero come back to life.

How do you determine that the beast will come out the EU?

SabbathBlessings, can you show in Scripture where the 1,000 year time of peace is not on earth? Rev. 5:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

These events occur on earth, as is written above.

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

I have to admit that I'm not quite sure of the sequence of all these events, but it seems that the time of Gog and Magog comes after the 1,000 period of peace.

Also, Rev. 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This passage has been interpreted to mean that, through the capabilities of artificial intelligence, a robot-like figure will be made with the ability to speak and seemingly understand. This image of the beast is thought to be the abomination of desolation.

When Jesus returns all eyes will see Him- it's not a secret return

“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him” Revelation 1:7

When Jesus Comes it is for all His saints or righteous- everyone who is saved - both the dead and those living at that time.

The dead rise first and meet Him in the air and then the living who are in Christ meet Him in the air

1 Thes 4:6 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

What happens at that time to those who are alive at the time of Christ’s Second Coming who are not saved?

With the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked” Isaiah 11:4
Let the wicked perish at the presence of God Psalm 68:2
The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished Rev 20:5

Two separate resurrections, one for those who are dead in Christ
Rev 20:This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is for everyone who is saved and those living saved will reign with Christ a 1000 years. If there is a first resurrection it means there has to be a second .

What I don't believe is the millennium is on earth, I believe that it is in heaven.

When Jesus comes His feet don't touch the ground, the saints meet Him in the air 1 Thes 4:16-17 this is important because Satan is going to impersonate Christ Second Coming, and come as an angel of light but he can't raise people from the dead, not all eyes will see him, like when Jesus comes, people won't meet him in the air. His reign will be on earth and will deceive the majority Rev 12:9

When Jesus comes those alive who were not saved will be dead by God’s presence, Satan will be bound with no one to tempt and the earth will be desolate Jeremiah 4:23, 28

Jesus is going to take those in Christ to heaven for the 1000 years

John 14:2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

In heaven there will be a Judgement on the wicked/lost

I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. ... And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years” (Revelation 20:4).
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? ... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?” 1 Corinthians 6:2, 3

After the 1000 years will be the second resurrection for the lost

Rev 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[RandyPNW]

Doug et al., I agree that a covenant makes more sense than a peace treaty. However, the man of sin referred to in Ezekiel is obviously the King of Tyre. He may be a precursor to the beast, but he is not the beast. Many people believe that the beast will be Caesar Nero come back to life.

I agree. Ezekiel was talking about the King of Tyre--not the Beast And I agree that Nero was not the Beast. But I suppose it can be said that the "Beast" in Revelation is both an Empire and a Man. As an Empire, the Beast existed back when John wrote the Revelation. It was the 4th Kingdom of Dan 2 and 7--the Roman Empire.

But Daniel also indicated that this 4th Kingdom would bring about the Man of Sin--the Antichrist. So Nero was part of the Beast Empire but he was not the Beast.

How do you determine that the beast will come out the EU?

I believe the Roman Empire was the 4th Kingdom of Dan 7. And it was to be the last Empire before the coming of the Kingdom of God.

How is that possible, since Rome fell in 476 AD? The imperial system that Rome initiated did not end in 476 AD. It has continued through various European kingdoms East and West. Even Russia continues to carry on the heritage of the Eastern Roman Empire!

Daniel indicated that it is at the end of this history of Roman Imperialism that the fragments of Rome's ancient tradition would come back together and be led by the Antichrist. This Roman tradition is synonymous with European Civilization.

SabbathBlessings, can you show in Scripture where the 1,000 year time of peace is not on earth?

I agree with you. The Millennial Age is an earthly age. I say that not just because we would naturally assume it from the language, but also because the OT basis for this kingdom in the Prophets is obviously an earthly kingdom. Spiritualizing literal, earthly realities mentioned in the Prophets is a form of dualism that I think is completely unnatural and unnecessary.

I have to admit that I'm not quite sure of the sequence of all these events, but it seems that the time of Gog and Magog comes after the 1,000 period of peace.

Yes, from a Premillennial pov Gog and Magog follows the thousand years. But in my view, Gog and Magog also figures in Eze 38-39 as an event associated with the end of the present age, as well. I think Gog could be a Russian leader. But of course, I don't really know.

Also, Rev. 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

This passage has been interpreted to mean that, through the capabilities of artificial intelligence, a robot-like figure will be made with the ability to speak and seemingly understand. This image of the beast is thought to be the abomination of desolation.

Very possible this pagan religious system, perhaps a corruption of Christianity, will involve Artificial Intelligence. It seems to be going that way.

 

[timothyu]

perhaps a corruption of Christianity

The original Hebrew Christianity or the gentile one?

 

[RandyPNW]

The original Hebrew Christianity or the gentile one?

Good question. I might indicate that European Christianity is in the mold of ancient Israel, both falling into apostasy over time.

The early Protestants were sure that the Pope was the Antichrist or the False Prophet.
I'm not so sure.

It may be that the False Prophet is a corrupted Pope. However, any religious leader who draws mankind to the Antichrist is leading people into paganism--not into Christianity. It is more akin to idol worship than to Christianity.

On the other hand, what can command the allegiance of the entire Christian world unless it is a false form of Christianity?

 

[ombowstring1]

We all have our own unique interpretations of Scripture and as such, they are not going to agree with the others. Whatever turns out to be the truth, that's what I will believe.

I've read many accounts of people who have had NDE's (near death experiences - they are called near death because these people don't stay where they've been, but come back to earth). They tell us in books, in videos and in speeches what they have experienced - seen, heard and learned. Many say that we come to earth because we need to learn certain lessons and to grow spiritually on our eternal journeys. They say that we even plan our lives before we come here, but as it goes, we forget what we have planned and many times we make mistakes that we shouldn't have. So I believe that after we are raptured, we go up to Heaven and then plan what we will do when we come back to earth during the Millennial period. That's the way I see it.

One other thing I'd like to mention is that I understand Rev. 8:8 "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;" to indicate that an asteroid will impact the earth. "a great mountain burning with fire" is exactly what an asteroid would look like when it enters the earth's atmosphere. The people of John's day had no knowledge of galaxies, solar systems or asteroids so this is the way that he described this particular part of the vision that he had.

 

[ombowstring1]

There obviously are a lot of different interpretations of various passages of Scripture here. I really suggest that all of you read Rosenthal's book, "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church". I found it very convincing.

 

[Jipsah]

Many people believe that we are fast approaching or have already entered into the last days, or the end of the world as we know it.

At my age, that idea doesn't bother me much. I'll be outta here shortly in any case.

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period, before all things are made new.

Takes a lot of wishful thinking and knight-jump exegesis to come to that conclusion, but a lot of people believe it.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Was there evEr a time when tht wasn't true?

Things get worse after that. The beast will gain control over the whole earth. He will force people basically to bow down and worship him or be killed. Accompanying the beast will be a false prophet and Revelation 16:17 "And he (the false prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Question: to whom was the Revelator writing? The folks in the 7 churches, or us? He said he was writing to the 7 Churches. If so, then he was talking about Rome. If us, it's pretty much incomprehensible.

By all means, do not receive the mark of the beast upon your body.

The mark of the Beast was, in all likelihood, a chit that one received for having made sacrifice to the emperor. Once more reason to believe that the Revelation was written to the Revelator's contemporaries.

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip

Which is nonsense.

by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

Which doesn't exist.

The identity of the beast will be made plain because Rev. 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The interpretation of this passage is that the beast will be shot in the head, an injury that would result in the death of any other man, but he will survive by the power of Satan.

Something easily faked with 21st century tech.

And so on and so forth. But the net net is that the revelation can b made to make sense to some extent as an apocalyptic work in the 1st century, but almost not at all if it's set in the 21s century or later.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What I have gathered from my studies, and some of this is by interpretation and not literal translation of the Bible, is that the man commonly referred to as the Antichrist, but is called the beast in the Book of Revelation, whose number is 666, will sign a peace treaty with Israel and this initiates the last seven year period, or the tribulation period

Probably from reading too many dime store end time novels above.

Real eschatology is far more interesting.

I wouldn't waste time looking for some guy as thee antiChrist. We already have enough of an enemy with Satan, far more capable than some guy

The prevailing theory is that the mark of the beast will be some sort of a computer chip by which we are all connected to a universal banking system through which all transactions are processed.

Another wasted dead end. Any legitimate end time position has to start by getting the enemy of us all on the table of observation. It's not some external flesh brand

The identity of the beast will be made plain

It's already been made plain, in writing no less. The beast is the spirit of devils. Look it up. It's plain as day.

The reason believers can't see the obvious is because we ALL are currently under the influences of these things and they don't want to be exposed