Futurist Only The Harlot - Revelation 17 - Semiramis

[Douggg]

The harlot in Revelation 17 riding the beast, I view her as Semiramis. The woman is a symbol.

In pragmatic terms, the Vatican, which is associated with Rome, and has been in bed with the kings of the earth over the long haul. Her colors, purple and scarlet, that of the cardinals and bishops. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground and Rome destroyed, probably at the same time.

Why Semiramis? She is riding the beast, representing Satan, and the person currently in the bottomless pit Revelation 17:8a - imo, Nimrod, as a disembodied spirit - the beast. Going back to the tower of Babel, and the world working united against God.

Revelation 17:8b is the end times person, who will become possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod.

I borrowed this from a website (don't agree with everything there, so I truncated) just now...

"Ancient lore now comes to our assistance, and tells us that the wife of Nimrod-bar-Cush was the infamous Semiramis, the First. She is reputed to have been the founder of the Babylonian mysteries and the first high-priestess of idolatry. Thus Babylon became the fountainhead of idolatry, and the mother of every heathen and pagan system in the world. The mystery-religion that was originated there spread in various forms throughout the whole earth.....

 

[vinsight4u]

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[AlasBabylon]

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How did the righteous city become a harlot ? Isaiah 1:21

USA = Mystery Babylon, mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. Revelation 17:1-5

After WW2 when both Europe and Asia had been destroyed by the war...
the infrastructure of the USA was unharmed and it arose as the world's
lone super power. What has the USA done with that world power ??
For the past 70 years the USA has imported and exported blasphemy
perversion and abomination.

The USA fits into both Babylon's and Mystery Babylon's ruby slippers.

Both ancient Babylon and Mystery Babylon rule over the nations of the earth...
importing and exporting abominations... as the USA has done since 1945.

Mystery Babylon is the center for world trade... as is the USA.

Ancient Babylon broke in pieces the nations of the earth... removing people
from their lands and moving others in to take their place... and causing many
diverse people to move into Babylon... turning it into a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural,
multi-religious salad-bowl, melting pot. When Cyrus conquered Babylon, he returned
Babylon's captives back to their native lands and restored them... as he did the Israelites.



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[Chicken Little]

hey guys I have to ask why do you think that these Idols and pagans
"gods" stuck for so long ? no one worships a lie they know is a lie.
Satan doesn't just make stuff up . God says he is a liar and the father of all lies. Satan uses and twists the truth and twists those elements , and twists them and twists them until they scream. nothing is believable unless it has some kind of truths in it and is connected to some known truths. why build lies out of lies ? the better the lie the more truth it has in it . and this society even buys bs of bad lies and from worse liars. we are so disconnected from truth in history.

you can't throw the baby out with the bath water just because a filthy lying dog got in the bath .
the point is that it was once a good lie , a lot of people believed it . meaning it had lots of known and witnessed truth in it in their ages .


so what is the truth hiding here ? what has satan and the hell between our ears really been molesting here all along for nearly 4000 years now ?

 

[Light of the East]

The harlot in Revelation 17 riding the beast, I view her as Semiramis. The woman is a symbol.

In pragmatic terms, the Vatican, which is associated with Rome, and has been in bed with the kings of the earth over the long haul. Her colors, purple and scarlet, that of the cardinals and bishops. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground and Rome destroyed, probably at the same time.

Why Semiramis? She is riding the beast, representing Satan, and the person currently in the bottomless pit Revelation 17:8a - imo, Nimrod, as a disembodied spirit - the beast. Going back to the tower of Babel, and the world working united against God.

Revelation 17:8b is the end times person, who will become possessed by the unclean spirit of Nimrod.

I borrowed this from a website (don't agree with everything there, so I truncated) just now...

"Ancient lore now comes to our assistance, and tells us that the wife of Nimrod-bar-Cush was the infamous Semiramis, the First. She is reputed to have been the founder of the Babylonian mysteries and the first high-priestess of idolatry. Thus Babylon became the fountainhead of idolatry, and the mother of every heathen and pagan system in the world. The mystery-religion that was originated there spread in various forms throughout the whole earth.....

You really should stop reading them ugly Chick tracts. They are burning your mind out.

Look, dude, did Jesus lie or not? He said that the Church would never be overcome by the gates of hell. Why is it that you Protestants hem and haw and carry on when that verse is brought up? Did Jesus mean that or not?

The Harlot of Revelation is Jerusalem, which sits upon seven hills in Israel. The Seven Hills are:

1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion.

It was Jerusalem which fit the bill in the Revelation of John, not Rome.

 

[Douggg]

You really should stop reading them ugly Chick tracts. They are burning your mind out.

Look, dude, did Jesus lie or not? He said that the Church would never be overcome by the gates of hell. Why is it that you Protestants hem and haw and carry on when that verse is brought up? Did Jesus mean that or not?

The Harlot of Revelation is Jerusalem, which sits upon seven hills in Israel. The Seven Hills are:

1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion.

It was Jerusalem which fit the bill in the Revelation of John, not Rome.

First, thanks for your comments. Please see my other thread regarding Semiramis as well.


"The Church" I think you are assuming means the RCC church.

Christianity began in Luke 24:44-48. Jesus told the disciples to go out and spread the gospel to the nations starting at Jerusalem (paraphrased).

So the Church is originally a Jerusalem church, not a Rome based church.

The gospel arrived at Rome quite a few years later. So that in itself eliminates the "Church" as being the RCC (out side of Catholic teachings). Which the Vatican is widely noted to be associated with the city of seven hills - Rome....the Rome in Roman Catholic Church.

Where is Jesus returning to ? Rome? No, Jerusalem. Jesus is returning to the Mt. of Olives from where he left . And is backed up by Zechariah 14, Jesus rescuing the Jews there, as they escape through the valley created when the Mt. of Olives splits.

If Jerusalem is the Harlot, then why is Jesus going to fight against those nations attacking Jerusalem...

Zechariah 14:
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Since Jesus is returning to Jerusalem, and fight against those attacking nations; and afterward the city will be known as the city of the great King -Jerusalem could hardly be the harlot that is destroyed by fire in Revelation 17. Right?

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Light of the East, the text is what it is.

 

[Straightshot]

"The Harlot of Revelation is Jerusalem, which sits upon seven hills in Israel'


Nay .... no fit .... not even close

However, Jerusalem's inhabitants have been and are part of the "woman" .... MBG at the time of the end ... just like all of the other inhabitants of the cities of the earth included

A "city" [civilization] is a place where humans have collected for willful self rule apart from the Lord's providence and direction [Genesis 10]

MBG is the entire unbelieving world and at the time of the end of this present age the Lord is going to judge and bring mans self rule down

There is a "great city" part dominating and influencing the other cities of the nations at the time

.... Jerusalem this is not [Revelation 18]

Jerusalem is called the "great city" in Revelation 11, but because this city is the Lord's city which in contrast will far out last the "great city" of MBG [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18]

And by the way, the 7 heads or mountains [hills] are 7 kingdoms [each with many cities] of Satan's beast .... all in the scope are human Middle Eastern kingdoms [Revelation 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

5 are historical and identified in scripture and the historical records .... there are 2 future, one after the other, yet to emerge

 

[tranquil]

First, thanks for your comments. Please see my other thread regarding Semiramis as well.


"The Church" I think you are assuming means the RCC church.

Christianity began in Luke 24:44-48. Jesus told the disciples to go out and spread the gospel to the nations starting at Jerusalem (paraphrased).

So the Church is originally a Jerusalem church, not a Rome based church.

The gospel arrived at Rome quite a few years later. So that in itself eliminates the "Church" as being the RCC (out side of Catholic teachings). Which the Vatican is widely noted to be associated with the city of seven hills - Rome....the Rome in Roman Catholic Church.

Where is Jesus returning to ? Rome? No, Jerusalem. Jesus is returning to the Mt. of Olives from where he left . And is backed up by Zechariah 14, Jesus rescuing the Jews there, as they escape through the valley created when the Mt. of Olives splits.

If Jerusalem is the Harlot, then why is Jesus going to fight against those nations attacking Jerusalem...



Since Jesus is returning to Jerusalem, and fight against those attacking nations; and afterward the city will be known as the city of the great King -Jerusalem could hardly be the harlot that is destroyed by fire in Revelation 17. Right?



Light of the East, the text is what it is.

Doug, the harlot getting burned IS armageddon - that is what Zech 14 is describing. Jerusalem is the harlot getting burned. God is bringing the armies to burn the harlot / Jerusalem. The "valley of 'Achor'/ (means 'trouble')is the 'door of hope' is the harlot getting burned. This is what Hosea 2 is talking about

1a Say to your brothers, “You are my people,”b and to your sisters, “You have received mercy.”c

2“Plead with your mother, plead—
for she is not my wife,
and I am not her husband—
that she put away her whoring from her face,
and her adultery from between her breasts;
3lest I strip her naked
and make her as in the day she was born,
and make her like a wilderness,
and make her like a parched land,
and kill her with thirst.
4Upon her children also I will have no mercy,
because they are children of whoredom.
5For their mother has played the harlot;
she who conceived them has acted shamefully.
For she said, ‘I will go after my lovers,
who give me my bread and my water,
my wool and my flax, my oil and my drink.’
6Therefore I will hedge up herd way with thorns,
and I will build a wall against her,
so that she cannot find her paths.
7She shall pursue her lovers
but not overtake them,
and she shall seek them
but shall not find them.
Then she shall say,
‘I will go and return to my first husband,
for it was better for me then than now.’
8And she did not know
that it was I who gave her
the grain, the wine, and the oil,
and who lavished on her silver and gold,
which they used for Baal.
9Therefore I will take back
my grain in its time,
and my wine in its season,
and I will take away my wool and my flax,
which were to cover her nakedness.
10Now I will uncover her lewdness
in the sight of her lovers,
and no one shall rescue her out of my hand.
11And I will put an end to all her mirth,
her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths,
and all her appointed feasts.
12And I will lay waste her vines and her fig trees,
of which she said,
‘These are my wages,
which my lovers have given me.’
I will make them a forest,
and the beasts of the field shall devour them.
13And I will punish her for the feast days of the Baals
when she burned offerings to them
and adorned herself with her ring and jewelry,
and went after her lovers
and forgot me, declares the Lord.

The Lord’s Mercy on Israel

14“Therefore, behold, I will allure her,
and bring her into the wilderness,
and speak tenderly to her.
15And there I will give her her vineyards
and make the Valley of Achore a door of hope.
And there she shall answer as in the days of her youth,
as at the time when she came out of the land of Egypt.

16“And in that day, declares the Lord, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’ 17For I will remove the names of the Baals from her mouth, and they shall be remembered by name no more. 18And I will make for them a covenant on that day with the beasts of the field, the birds of the heavens, and the creeping things of the ground. And I will abolishf the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make you lie down in safety. 19And I will betroth you to me forever. I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy. 20I will betroth you to me in faithfulness. And you shall know the Lord.
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God is having the armies attack Jerusalem which burns the harlot and "brings her into the wilderness". When Jerusalem is in the wilderness, then the temple is taken over.

It will probably be both Rome and Jerusalem that are "punished". Maybe these are the "2 witnesses" (people comprising these 2 cities), not sure.

1st Rome is destroyed (if my understanding is correct, this would be Aug 24, 2016 (1260th day of Pope Francis)

Then Jerusalem is destroyed at the star sign of Revelation 12 Sept 23, 2017. (the Pope in hiding takes refuge in Jerusalem which causes it to be burned also - this is the scenario laid out in Lord of the World)

The temple is taken over for 1260 days at this time.

 

[Douggg]

God is having the armies attack Jerusalem which burns the harlot and "brings her into the wilderness". When Jerusalem is in the wilderness, then the temple is taken over.

In Zechariah 14, God is defending Jerusalem, not destroying Jerusalem. Them in Jerusalem will be believers in Jesus and will have passed from judgment unto life.

Jerusalem does not sit on many waters. The RCC does. Jerusalem is not the harlot.

 

[Straightshot]

"Doug, the harlot getting burned IS armageddon - that is what Zech 14 is describing. Jerusalem is the harlot getting burned"

Wishful thinking tran

You have your harlots mixed up

The Lord will defend His city of Jerusalem and it will be the "great city" of the Gentiles that will burn

Replacement theological bias is your nemesis .... and this has caused you to be deceived

You hate the "Jews" .... but know that Jesus Christ is a "Jew" by His humanity .... the Lion of the tribe of Judah .... and He will go forth will great furry [Joel 3:16] against the enemies of His nation of Israel

 

[vinsight4u]

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[tranquil]

In Zechariah 14, God is defending Jerusalem, not destroying Jerusalem. Them in Jerusalem will be believers in Jesus and will have passed from judgment unto life.

Jerusalem does not sit on many waters. The RCC does. Jerusalem is not the harlot.

No, did you even read Zechariah 14? It says that first, Jerusalem is taken, pillaged and the women raped. God has arranged for this to happen.

This event is the 6th Trumpet war aka the abomination of desolation.

Then, God saves it after the 1260 days are up. That is the 6th bowl war.

Yes, the RCC sits on many waters right now (waters being defined as peoples and nations as per Revelation 17:15. And Jerusalem does not.

But when Jerusalem accepts the antichrist, then Jerusalem will sit on many waters, aka peoples and nations, right? Isn't that the whole point of accepting the antichrist - it gives them power over the world?

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

Jerusalem [Israel] will never accept the "antichrist"

And Israel will not have power over the whole world at the end of this present age

Show me the scriptures that tell what you say

 

[AlasBabylon]

My comment

Jerusalem [Israel] will never accept the "antichrist"

And Israel will not have power over the whole world at the end of this present age

Show me the scriptures that tell what you say

Last time I checked the Israeli state is antichrist.

The Israeli government is secular and permits sodomite parades in both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

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[Straightshot]

"Last time I checked the Israeli state is antichrist."


That it is .... but the current position of Israel is going to change

This truth is in your Bible, but you are apparently unwilling to look for it

Good luck with your search .... or maybe you think you have done it all

By the review of your postings I can tell you that you do not and are far away

 

[tranquil]

My comment

Jerusalem [Israel] will never accept the "antichrist"

And Israel will not have power over the whole world at the end of this present age

Show me the scriptures that tell what you say

John 5

30“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me. 31If I alone bear witness about myself, my testimony is not true. 32There is another who bears witness about me, and I know that the testimony that he bears about me is true.

33You sent to John, and he has borne witness to the truth. 34Not that the testimony that I receive is from man, but I say these things so that you may be saved. 35He was a burning and shining lamp, and you were willing to rejoice for a while in his light. 36But the testimony that I have is greater than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to accomplish, the very works that I am doing, bear witness about me that the Father has sent me. 37And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, 38and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent.

39You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41I do not receive glory from people. 42But I know that you do not have the love of God within you.

43I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”
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The Jews, in general, will accept another that comes in his own name - that is the "antichrist".

Not all Jews will accept the "antichrist" - what this % of Jews that do and/ or don't accept the "antichrist", I don't fully understand... is it 2/3's (66.6% of the vote) or 1/2 or 1/3rd - I have no idea. BUT - some, if not most, will - in addition to the lost tribes of Israel [aka UK & US].

Those that DO NOT, form the kernel of the New Jerusalem which is part of the new heavens and new earth.

What is Jesus talking about here about Moses? He is referring to Deuteronomy 28-32. The "Song of Moses" that is referenced in Revelation 14 & Revelation 15:1-4. This song is a "witness" to the unfaithful so that they may repent and become faithful.

The "antichrist" so called is this king from Deut 28

36 The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.

38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
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The curses for being unfaithful/ apostate is : having to set a king over themselves AND being ruled by their enemies - that is the beast and the false prophet in a nutshell.

By your terminology, either the beast or false prophet is Muslim - the enemy that will rule over apostate Israel... the other one is the apostate "insider"/ traitor if you will. Remember that the beast and false prophet are co-rulers - and that is what Deut 28-32 is getting at - the apostate insider and a Muslim co-ruler. To insist on just a "Muslim antichrist" invites confusion to the debate.

The "song of Moses" is the Mosaic covenant/ Sinai covenant that is read every 7 years.

 

[AlasBabylon]

"Last time I checked the Israeli state is antichrist."


That it is .... but the current position of Israel is going to change

This truth is in your Bible, but you are apparently unwilling to look for it

Good luck with your search .... or maybe you think you have done it all

By the review of your postings I can tell you that you do not and are far away

There are two different prophecies about God's Holy Land.

One is in Ezekiel 37... the regathering of the tribes of Israel in obedience to God
[this happens after the second coming of Christ.]

But there is another prophecy in Ezekiel 36 about Israel's enemy Edom maliciously
occupying God's holy land to cast it out for a prey. This is what Edom did when
the Israelites were in Babylonian captivity... Edom moved into the Holy Land.

The current secular antichrist Edomite state... violates God's law in the most blasphemous
horrific way that turns Jerusalem into an antichrist sodomite abomination... it is the final
fulfillment of Ezekiel 36:5


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[Straightshot]

It is you who turns Israel into and Edom "antichrist" state .... this is far from the truth and an antisemitic rant

You have much to learn, if you will, before you can successfully render end time exegetical study related to the Lord's prophetic word .... this is not a task for the novice

Ezekiel 36 is a future prophecy regarding a remnant part of Israel returned to the land in the midst of the tiny nation's virulent enemies of Ishmael/Esau descendants [Edom] ... the Muslim populations noted in Psalms 83 [Israel descended for Issac/Jacob]

And the Lord is going to crush Edom because of their violent behavior against Him and His Israelite nation at the time of the end ... the stage is setting up as we speak for these things to come to pass

He then reviews Israel's past intransigence against His and proceeds to tell of His future intents to restore the kingdom to Israel for His purposes .... His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth

Ezekiel
36:1 Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD:

36:2 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession [Psalms 83]

36:3 Therefore prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they have made you desolate, and swallowed you up on every side, that ye might be a possession unto the residue of the heathen, and ye are taken up in the lips of talkers, and are an infamy of the people:

36:4 Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, to the desolate wastes, and to the cities that are forsaken, which became a prey and derision to the residue of the heathen that are round about;

36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

36:6 Prophesy therefore concerning the land of Israel, and say unto the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I have spoken in my jealousy and in my fury, because ye have borne the shame of the heathen:

36:7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I have lifted up mine hand, Surely the heathen that are about you, they shall bear their shame.

36:8 But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.

36:9 For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown:

36:10 And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded:

36:11 And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

36:12 Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

36:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations:

36:14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord GOD.

36:15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord GOD.

36:16 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:

36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.

36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.

36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.

36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.

36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.

36:36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.

36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.

36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.


The subject of this thread is about MBG and the great city and should be redirected to the same

 

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

Jesus Christ is coming with His already changed at His 6th seal return saints.
He only comes to the air at the time of the 6th seal/7th trumpet coming.

"all the saints with thee"
Zechariah 14:6

This is battle time, unlike the wicked hiding in the rocks for fear of Him earlier.
They already learned that God was real. They saw the True Potentate. They already
casted away their idols.

There are no saints stated in the sixth seal. The sixth seal is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

It terrifies the evil men of the earth, and it takes the convincing of the beast, the false prophet, and Satan for them to assemble their armies at Armageddon to try and stop Jesus from descending down to earth and carrying out judgment on them.

Part of their strategy will be take Jerusalem hostage, take it into captivity, as it says in Zechariah 14. It doesn't work, as Jesus returns with His saints and his foot touches down on the mount of olives, splitting it, making a way for the hostages to escape.

Revelation 16:6/vial 3
For they have shed the blood of saints..."
Not they are shedding the blood of the saints.
If Armageddon was part of the 42 months, then the saints
would still be being slain all the way to that battle.

You have taken the verse out of context.

4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.

5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

The passage is saying that because the evil men of the world have been killing the saints, God gives those evil men blood to drink - because that's what they deserve.