THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

[HARK!]

Willeth = thelo.

and?

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

You can stop at God is NOT willing that ANY should perish.

No choice involved, no lottery, no Vegas.

God "willeth" all mankind to be saved. Willeth = thelo.

Whose willeth prevails, the creature or the Creator?

If God’s will prevails, and lack of repentance leaves one in conflict with God’s will, how is that conflict resolved?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You can stop at God is NOT willing that ANY should perish.

No choice involved, no lottery, no Vegas.

God "willeth" all mankind to be saved. Willeth = thelo.

Whose willeth prevails, the creature or the Creator?

Indeed dear friend but not all will choose to be saved. How sad this will be when all these come to JESUS at the second coming and say LORD LORD did we not do all these wonderful things in your name and JESUS responds depart from me you who work sin I never knew you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

and?

Yea I do not think they know we can understand the Hebrew and Greek applications and it will not work with us.

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed dear friend but not all will choose to be saved. How sad this will be when all these come to JESUS at the second coming and say LORD LORD did we not do all these wonderful things in your name and JESUS responds depart from me you who work sin I never knew you.

Whose "willeth" prevails, the creature or the Creator?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Whose "willeth" prevails, the creature or the Creator?

Man does not always agree with God's will or accept it sadly and God does not force anyone to. He wants our love from a willing heart. That is why it is written many are called and few are chosen. Do you believe the scriptures dear friend? If so why do you feel the need to point us to the teachings of men instead of the teachings of JESUS through his Word. What is better the middle man or cutting out the middle man and going to the source of all love?

 

[FineLinen]

If God’s will prevails, and lack of repentance leaves one in conflict with God’s will, how is that conflict resolved?

Hi there Lily: repentance does not begin in us, it is "granted" by Him. I have strong confidence that the Author of the all, is the Finisher of the all. He brings to perfect completion what He begins as the ta pante.

You do know what it means in Scripture to be in/en Christ? That is what is involved by the confession of worship by every being in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in union with and en the Name of all names. It is NOT by perfunctory genuflections!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi there Lily: repentance does not begin in us, it is "granted" by Him. I have strong confidence that the Author of the all, is the Finisher of the all. He brings to perfect completion what He begins as the ta pante.

You do know what it means in Scripture to be in/en Christ? That is what is involved by the confession of worship by every being in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in union with and en the Name of all names. It is NOT by perfunctory genuflections!

Yet the scriptures dear friend teach this...

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

and again...

PROVERBS 28:9 [9], He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

God does not force us to follow him. He is only the author and finisher of those who choose to belive and follow His Word according to the scriptures which is conditional on continuing in God's Word *JOHN 8:31-36.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Hi there Lily: repentance does not begin in us, it is "granted" by Him. I have strong confidence that the Author of the all, is the Finisher of the all. He brings to perfect completion what He begins as the ta pante.

You do know what it means in Scripture to be in/en Christ? That is what is involved by the confession of worship by every being in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld in union with and en the Name of all names. It is NOT by perfunctory genuflections!

Hi

I actually do believe you’re approaching this from the desire for mercy which is a good thing, and if everyone were restored my heart would cry Hallelujah and rejoice at the incomparable grace of the King who will have mercy on those he will have mercy on.

Since that’s beyond dispute, please take the questions as iron sharpening iron for both of our good.

Jesus called himself the Way and his parables about the lost are all about repentance, where there is only one way (God’s will/way) and that sin is being outside of that way (to the right or to the left) but for his people (Matthew 1:21) returning to the way is truly coming home.

So while I don’t believe your interpretation comes from a bad place, where do you find the support in scripture for the repentance of the dead in light of Hebrews 9:27-28?

 

[FineLinen]

Hi

I actually do believe you’re approaching this from the desire for mercy which is a good thing, and if everyone were restored my heart would cry Hallelujah and rejoice at the incomparable grace of the King who will have mercy on those he will have mercy on.

Since that’s beyond dispute, please take the questions as iron sharpening iron for both of our good.

Jesus called himself the Way and his parables about the lost are all about repentance, where there is only one way (God’s will/way) and that sin is being outside of that way (to the right or to the left) but for his people (Matthew 1:21) returning to the way is truly coming home.

So while I don’t believe your interpretation comes from a bad place, where do you find the support in scripture for the repentance of the dead in light of Hebrews 9:27-28?

If you will turn to Phil chapter 2 you will find every being in every dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld worshipping, yes worshipping, IN/EN the Name of all names.

Every created thing (pan ktisma). Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added). No created thing is left out. This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption. If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off. Saying (legonta). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with panta) present active participle of legw, to say. And to the Lamb (kai twi arniwi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne. Note separate articles here in the doxology as in Romans 4:11 and the addition of to krato (active power) in place of iscu (reserve of strength) in Romans 5:12 . -Robertson Word Pictures-

 

[Albion]

What it boils down to, though they deny it, is that God tortures sinners until they repent, whither they mean it or not. God will save everyone, even if it's against their will.

As I said before, I'm not a Universalist myself, but I don't think we can pin Universalism down to this particular scenario concerning the afterlife for evil-doers.

From what I know, many or most believe that the unsaved will not just be tortured until they yell 'Uncle!" but that the process will amount to a painful, gradual, "second chance" that will ultimately lead to their redemption.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I said before, I'm not a Universalist myself, but I don't think we can pin Universalism down to this particular scenario concerning the afterlife for evil-doers.

From what I know, many or most believe that the unsaved will not just be tortured until they yell 'Uncle!" but that the process will amount to a painful, gradual, "second chance" that will ultimately lead to their redemption.

Which is not biblical. I believe this kind of teaching leads many enbolden in sin after all who cares I will always get a second chance right? Trouble is these people thinking they have a second chance never had one to begin with and will find out only too late at the second coming they lost their salvation. So for me it is a false teaching and a doctrine of devils if you do not mind me speaking plainly.

 

[FineLinen]

As I said before, I'm not a Universalist myself, but I don't think we can pin Universalism down to this particular scenario concerning the afterlife for evil-doers.

From what I know, many or most believe that the unsaved will not just be tortured until they yell 'Uncle!" but that the process will amount to a painful, gradual, "second chance" that will ultimately lead to their redemption.

My friend I am going to declare it again & again & again,

the Father of all fathers has a glorious Plan that does not involve any degree of chance. NONE!

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

My friend I am going to declare it again & again & again, the Father of all fathers has a glorious Plan that does not involve any degree of chance. NONE!

Indeed dear friend and your point here is????

 

[FineLinen]

Indeed dear friend and your point here is????

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

 

[LoveGodsWord]

meme

Father’s Superior Plan A=

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

I asked what your point was because your not making one. Posting a meme does not change any of the content of your post as it is simply a distraction to the discussion. How does what your posting prove all men will be saved when the scriptures teach all men will not be saved? Isn't your interpretation contradicting the scriptures?

 

[jannikitty]

This is why 95% of all those who decide for Christ, fall away within the first year -

95%, fact or conjecture?

 

[Albion]

My friend I am going to declare it again & again & again,

the Father of all fathers has a glorious Plan that does not involve any degree of chance. NONE!

If you are disagreeing with the term "second chance," it does not mean that there is anything haphazard or uncertain involved. The reference is to a second time through, no? That's all I meant by it.

Modern educators call this "remediation." LOL

 

[LoveGodsWord]

95%, fact or conjecture?

Perhaps they have been taught universalism and decided they would rather live like the devil in this life and wait for their second chance in the next (which will never come sadly).

 

[FineLinen]

If you are disagreeing with the term "second chance," it does not mean that there is anything haphazard or uncertain involved. The reference is to a second opportunity or a repeat experience, no? That's all I meant by it.

I appreciate your excellent clarification. The Father of all fathers has placed His purpose firmly within Himself. It is neither haphazard or uncertain & will be realized in every last minute detail!

Father’s Superior Plan A =

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”