The Differences Between Jesus Christ and Christ Jesus 02.04.2020

[Terral]

Greetings to All:

This Thread is dedicated to debate over the differences between Jesus of Nazareth who walked this earth AND Christ Jesus mentioned only in the Pauline Epistles. Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the incarnation of the Lamb of God on this earth. Christ Jesus is the Father (spirit witness), Son (blood witness) and Holy Spirit (water witness/Helper) from Matthew 28:19 where the Father is the spirit, the Son is the soul, and the Holy Spirit is the body. Christ Jesus is the incarnation of “Heaven” of Genesis 1:1 and the “Word” of John 1:1-3. The Lamb of God is the incarnation of Christ Jesus in heaven (Gen. 1:8) of this creation, while Christ Jesus is the Father (spirit), Son (blood) and Holy Spirit (water); as a “these three be one” (1John 5:8) Heavenly “man” (1Tim. 2:5). The “Word” made flesh is Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) who has been in the “Highest Heaven” (1Kings 8:27 = "Heaven" of Genesis 1:1 = diagram) since the very beginning. Jesus Christ is The Word “made flesh” (John 1:14) on this earth, who is the “Son of THAT Heavenly Man,” which makes Him the “Son of Man” (Matt. 9:6). In other words, Christ’s title of “Son of Man” has everything to do with Him being the smaller version of “Christ Jesus” (F+S+HS), which has NOTHING to do with being a son of Adam at all. One of the best ways of visualizing the differences between Jesus Christ AND Christ Jesus of Paul’s Epistles is by reading the verses from this passage (my notes):

“But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together “with Christ” (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up ”with Him,” and seated us with Him IN the heavenly places “IN” Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us IN Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:4-7.

Every believer in our gospel has been “crucified with Christ” (Gal. 2:20), so that God has raised us up” with Him” to seat us “with Him” (Jesus of the flesh) IN the heavenly places “IN” Christ Jesus. This simple reading of Scripture tells us that “Christ Jesus” is indeed very much LARGER than “Jesus Christ” who has been seated “IN Him” AND all believers WITH HIM in the heavenly places. Scripture says of Christ Jesus “The Word,”

“He is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For “IN” (en #1722* = the Greek) Him (The Word = John 1:2) all things were created (John 1:3), both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through Him AND for Him. He is before all things, and “IN” (en #1722*) Him all things hold together.” Colossians 1:15-17.

Take a good look at Jesus of Nazareth from the Four Gospels and ask yourself if “all things” in this universe can fit “IN” Him? No sir. There is no reference to “Christ Jesus” made anywhere outside the Pauline Epistles, because the “Christ Jesus” Paul knows is the Father + Son + Holy Spirit as “three are into the one” (1John 5:8) Heavenly ”man” Christ Jesus “IN” whom this entire universe (seen AND unseen) is held together. Those of us truly “IN” Christ Jesus are contained by God’s Living Word that has existed as the Father + Son + Holy Spirit since LONG before God sent Him into the world to save anyone.

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The Word (John 1:2) is standing between the Two Veils of the 'True Tabernacle' as the Heavenly “man” Christ Jesus, which shows the Father (spirit) and Son (blood = soul) and Holy Spirit (water = body) of”Christ Jesus.” Our tiny little earth is an itsy-bitsy little spec in the “Earth” portion under the Heavens (spirit) and Heaven (blood) of “This Creation.” Jesus Christ incarnated onto our tiny little earth to represent “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) or the “Son” (smaller version) of THAT Heavenly “Man” standing between the Two Veils. However, this is a linear view of what truly looks like an egg:

Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017, Page 95​

The golden shell representing God’s Infinite Realm extends in all directions, but the red “Word Realm” (F+S+HS) depicts “Christ Jesus.” This Creation is truly “IN” Christ Jesus, as each and every molecule is held together “IN” Him. God uses His Word like a glove, because His touch apart from His Son would destroy This Creation in the blink of an eye. Nothing that is Infinite can touch a finite host, without the intercessory work of God’s Living Word. While Jesus Christ incarnated into the little blue ball of our Creation, Christ Jesus continued to contain this entire universe at the same time. When God raised Christ from the dead and seated Him above “all the heavens” (Eph. 4:10 = of This Creation in blue), then Jesus Christ was seated “IN” Christ Jesus or the red “Word Realm” which is “Heaven” to this entire Creation. Scripture says,

“Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh (Jesus of Nazareth), yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore IF (huge qualifier) anyone is “IN” Christ, he is a new creature (created in Christ Jesus =Eph. 2:10); the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.” 2Corinthians 5:16-17.

Do you see a difference between “Christ Jesus” and Jesus of the flesh? Good luck in the deliberations,

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[friend of]

Um, this seems needlessly complicated.

 

[topher694]

How is this even a thing?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Laugh to here after reading the OP.

 

[Guojing]

Basic understanding

Jesus Christ: Jesus in the flesh during the 4 Gospels
Christ Jesus: The resurrected and ascended Christ.

 

[Terral]

Hi Guojing:

Thank you for writing on the Jesus Christ / Christ Jesus Topic. You wrote:

Basic understanding

Jesus Christ: Jesus in the flesh during the 4 Gospels
Christ Jesus: The resurrected and ascended Christ.

We disagree, and this topic seems to be a bit over the heads of our fellow CF.com members posting in the Dispy Forum. Many will gather their evidence for drawing conclusions from Paul's statements to the Corinthians that say,

"For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf. Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.: 2Cor. 5:14-17.

Paul's words seem to indicate a recognition difference for those transitioning from flesh to newness of life, but this change takes place apart from anyone having a new name and especially if that name is already taken. Let us read a key passage together for evidence providing the difference between Jesus Christ (our risen Lord) "and" Christ Jesus who is the Father (spirit) and Son (soul, blood witness) and Holy Spirit (body, water witness) testifying as Heaven from Genesis 1:1:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with Him (Jesus Christ), and seated us with Him (Jesus Christ) in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:4-7.

Right here we can see Jesus Christ (Christ, Him, Him) mentioned in the same passage with "Christ Jesus" where we are seated "with Him" in the heavenly places "IN" Christ Jesus." The heavenly places "IN" Christ Jesus contain Jesus Christ and us with Him, which means Christ Jesus is a MUCH larger host than Jesus Christ who God raised from the dead 2000 years ago. Let's go to Paul's Epistle to the Romans and simply read the verse seven verses that represent perhaps the longest run-on sentence in all of Scripture (Christ Jesus*, Jesus Christ#):

"Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus*, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning His Son#, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God# with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ# our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name’s# sake, among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ#; to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ#." Romans 1:1-7.

Here again we see Christ Jesus* appearing in the same sentence (Rom. 1:1-7 is a single sentence) with Jesus Christ# the Son of God# that Paul has no problem calling "Jesus Christ# our Lord," because that is His name. Christ Jesus is the Father+Son+Holy Spirit as a "man" (spirit, soul, body), as Paul writes to Timothy:

"For there is one God [spirit], and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus...". 1Timothy 2:5.

Credit Terral Croft, The Mystery Explained, Nov. 2017, Page 97

Look over into Figure 2 to realize Jesus Christ was raised among "all the heavens" of this creation to be seated in the heavenly places "IN" Christ Jesus testifying as Heaven of Genesis 1:1 (center of Figure 1). Christ Jesus is "Heaven" of Genesis 1:1 broken into the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who incarnated into 'heaven' (Gen. 1:8, bottom of Figure 2) as the "Lamb of God." The Lamb of God then incarnated into our world as Jesus Christ to be identified in John 1:29 and as the "Son of God" in John 1:34.

Blessings,

Terral

 

[topher694]

this topic seems to be a bit over the heads of our fellow CF.com members posting in the Dispy Forum

Thanks for the laugh