The demons hate Latin!

[Athanasias]

Never mind, I searched the web and found a couple of interviews. Still don't see anything that really supports the supposed benefits of Latin apart from a couple of opinions. I also found it strange that apparently some exorcisms have to be done many times in order to drive out the demon(s). Doesn't sound very efficacious to me. There was also something said about demons not being able to possess another person after they have been driven out which seems completely contrary to what Christ said on the subject. (Matt 12:43-45, Luke 11:24-26)

http://www.spiritdaily.net/amorthinterview.htm

Some exorcisms(on people and in house infestations) take just a minute or two and some can take months depending on how many demons are there what their legal rights are and if they have been discovered, what ranks the demons are in power, and the will of the person getting exorcized. I have seen this in house exorcisms personally. There is a EO priest in St. Louis who helping my friend did a 3 hour in promptu house exorcism and the house still needed further help and he contacted our Archdiocese for our exorcist for follow ups to give you one concrete example. Some demonologist who train exorcist like Adam Blai also talk about this as well as exorcist in thier interviews. They can come back if the person invites them back by sinning and occult use or if curses are put on them. Generally the person is the key to this for all those answers. it is said the sacrament of confession is far more powerful then a exorcism. Demons do fear the sacraments for that reason but getting a person there can be very hard. A person leading a solid prayer life and a strong sacramental life usually has no issue with this stuff. At any rate Spirit daily may have misquoted him(they certainly misspelled his name in the middle of the article). I have 2 books by him and he does not say that in the books. There have been other Bishops and exorcist who I have heard on radio also have spoken of the offense the devil takes at latin. And it makes logical sense given that it has place of primacy to the Church. Demonologist Adam Blai also notes that authentic Gregorian Chant in latin drives demons away.

Here is his website. he trains exorcist nationwide and is hooked up with the same worldwide organization of Catholic exorcist as Fr Amorth.

http://www.religiousdemonology.com/clergy.html

 

[thecolorsblend]

it is said the sacrament of confession is far more powerful then a exorcism.

And...

A person leading a solid prayer life and a strong sacramental life usually has no issue with this stuff.

And...

Adam Blai also notes that authentic Gregorian Chant in latin drives demons away.

I'm not the kind to worry much about demons... but, man, if this is all true, I think they would hate my house.

I do like the tips and factoids Blai has shared. The fact is demonology is a mystery to most of us and it's full of misrepresentations. Blai's comments about how oppressions/possessions can take place and very easy ways to keep it from ever happening are very helpful. An ounce of prevention and all that. A lot of this stuff may seem obvious but for rookies and misinformed, his information is gold.

 

[Wgw]

Some exorcisms(on people and in house infestations) take just a minute or two and some can take months depending on how many demons are there what their legal rights are and if they have been discovered, what ranks the demons are in power, and the will of the person getting exorcized. I have seen this in house exorcisms personally. There is a EO priest in St. Louis who helping my friend did a 3 hour in promptu house exorcism and the house still needed further help and he contacted our Archdiocese for our exorcist for follow ups to give you one concrete example. Some demonologist who train exorcist like Adam Blai also talk about this as well as exorcist in thier interviews. They can come back if the person invites them back by sinning and occult use or if curses are put on them. Generally the person is the key to this for all those answers. it is said the sacrament of confession is far more powerful then a exorcism. Demons do fear the sacraments for that reason but getting a person there can be very hard. A person leading a solid prayer life and a strong sacramental life usually has no issue with this stuff. At any rate Spirit daily may have misquoted him(they certainly misspelled his name in the middle of the article). I have 2 books by him and he does not say that in the books. There have been other Bishops and exorcist who I have heard on radio also have spoken of the offense the devil takes at latin. And it makes logical sense given that it has place of primacy to the Church. Demonologist Adam Blai also notes that authentic Gregorian Chant in latin drives demons away.

Here is his website. he trains exorcist nationwide and is hooked up with the same worldwide organization of Catholic exorcist as Fr Amorth.

http://www.religiousdemonology.com/clergy.html

"Legal rights" ??

 

[thecolorsblend]

"Legal rights" ??

That's some of Adam Blai's lingo. Basically he phrased demonic possession in terms similar to a lease agreement. The demon must want in and the possessed must in some way or another give permission. Demons only act within God's permission. That limitation combined with them being welcomed in some places but not welcomed in others will play a role in who they can mess with and for how long.

Blai speaks at length about it at...

... and it's well worth listening to. I understand that it's a bit long but (A) his stories are thrilling and (B) he gets more specific about how the process actually works.

He assists in exorcisms all the time with permission from his bishop so he's operating under the Catholic Church's authority. So I trust him when he sees this is his understanding. However, the usual caveats apply: Demons are liars. Period. So how much of what they say can you really trust? But Blai's got a lot of experience so at the very least he's worth listening to. The points he makes have an inescapable ring of authenticity in my opinion.

 

[prodromos]

There is a EO priest in St. Louis who helping my friend did a 3 hour in promptu house exorcism and the house still needed further help and he contacted our Archdiocese for our exorcist for follow ups to give you one concrete example.

"In promptu", in other words, without proper preperation. Is this EO priest you speak of experienced in doing exorcisms?

 

[thecolorsblend]

"In promptu"

I think her meaning was clear. There's no need to be tacky about it. She meant to say "impromptu". No big deal. You have to let some things slide once in a while.

 

[prodromos]

I think her meaning was clear. There's no need to be tacky about it. She meant to say "impromptu". No big deal. You have to let some things slide once in a while.

I didn't realise I was highlighting a typo. I was drawing attention to the fact that the exorcism was done without planning, so the priest had made no preparation such as fasting and prayer or having been through confession himself, all of which would have put him at a disadvantage.
Thanks for correcting the typo though.

 

[Cappadocious]

I bet you get "better results" from Latin because of its popular association with church, prayer and sacred silence, etc. If I went up to someone and recited the lyrics to Everybody Have Fun Tonight in Greek or Latin in a somber tone, it would have a stirring effect and perhaps strike fear into my adversary.

 

[Athanasias]

"In promptu", in other words, without proper preperation. Is this EO priest you speak of experienced in doing exorcisms?

When I said impromptu I meant I do not know if he had permission from his Bishop to do so or if there was a process like we have in the Catholic Church. It happened rather quickly so I am not sure. I agree that preparation can be key as our exorcist also fast and pray intensely and its key to rid yourself of any mortal sins in confession before such things. In fact its in the ritual to do that. I am honestly not sure of this EO's priest interior preparations or experience nor am I aware if the Local EO Church has a Eparchy that has trained exorcist. I do know they are genrally more holier and aware of the evil ones presence then many of our older priest. He may or may not have been trained or prepared. I really have no idea. I do know and am friends with 2 of the EO priest in the St. Louis area as well as a Western rite Orthodox Priest as they come in my store all the time and are very friendly and ecumenical with us.

The women was a laxed Christian baptized Lutheran but not very practicing. She had a non-practicing Catholic husband and a child. This incident with the EO priest took place within 3-5 days. So I do not know his preparation. I think at best he had about 3 days in which he was aware of the house before he came to do the exorcism. She came into my store on a Saturday crying for help and she approached the Jesuits first on that day. They rejected her unfortunately . She then was contacted by one of her good friends who was a EO and her priest offered to exorcise the house. That took place within 3-5 days so I am not sure of his prep or knowledge on this. She described it to me and told me he used a smaller branch from the tree outside the home as a aspergillium and then went room to room soaking the house in holy water and praying devoutly. She said it took about 3 hours and was very thorough but when they came to the room with the most activity he got freaked and as he was praying his apergillium broke in half and fell to the floor and the childs cross around his neck also broke off and fell to the floor at the same time. She said he felt the child could have possession issues. He left and according to her refused to go back into the house but he did contact our Archdiocese and spoke with one of our exorcist(who happens to be a Bishop). Later that next week the Catholic bishop came with his assistant and began another formal house exorcism. At least this is what the lady told me.

 

[Athanasias]

I bet you get "better results" from Latin because of its popular association with church, prayer and sacred silence, etc. If I went up to someone and recited the lyrics to Everybody Have Fun Tonight in Greek or Latin in a somber tone, it would have a stirring effect and perhaps strike fear into my adversary.

Very good points! Some exorcist that I read have tried this kind of test to see if the person(who does not know the language) actually understood what he was saying and convulsed more violently or not and if there were any true effects or if it is a placebo effect and psycho-somatic(because they may be saying jibberish in latin or greek to test that). I have read that those kind of test do happen to determine authentic demonic activity at times. Another kind of test for authentic demonic activity is silently praying in latin or other languages (real prayers vs gibberish) and seeing the reaction.

 

[Cappadocious]

I don't think it would be a placebo, rather it would involve an indirect reference.

 

[Athanasias]

I don't think it would be a placebo, rather it would involve an indirect reference.

Maybe but what I have read from exorcist seems more like placebo as a test. Maybe I am misusing that term. I am sorry. What I mean is they may pray or say silently in their mind a bunch of words that have nothing to do with exorcism or God or they may pray or say aloud latin phrases that do not mean anything(but the person is to believe they are prayers of exorcism) to see if this is a psychological problem whereby the person wants to be possessed or wants one to think he is. This is one way they can tell if there is preternatural activity vs natural activity. That is what i meant. Does that makes sense to you?

 

[Athanasias]

To cast away demons, one needs a Spirit-filled heart. No words are necessary, just a heart filled with God. Not a heart seeking God, but a heart filled with God. Then you can look at demon and it will run.

This is also true as the saints in history like St. Joseph of Cuppetino and St. Benedict have shown us. Good point!

 

[prodromos]

To cast away demons, one needs a Spirit-filled heart. No words are necessary, just a heart filled with God. Not a heart seeking God, but a heart filled with God. Then you can look at demon and it will run.

Do you have personal experience with this, or know someone else who does?