the Covid Vaccine and the Christian thing to do

[Jeff11]

Bad assumption, faulty conclusion. While vaccination has been extremely effective at preventing severe illness, it is not quite as effective at preventing breakthough infections. Often, vaccinated people are infected,but have no symptoms and can spread the virus.



I was going to reply that unless you're a democrat, it seems as though you're wrong. But that's actually unfair. It's not stupidity; it's a lack of understanding how vaccinations protect people.

And you seem to have realized your error in a later post:
QUOTE="Jeff11, post: 76240702, member: 417368"]Cumulatively, among 5.1 million L.A. County residents who are fully vaccinated, 0.53% have tested positive, 0.014% have been hospitalized and 0.0013% — or 68 people — have died.

As you show, vaccinations are really effective at preventing severe illness. However, there have already been breakthrough infections in one of every 188 vaccinated people. Each of them is capable of infecting others.[/QUOTE]
Are you Math Illiterate? The infection rate for people who are vaccinated is .014%? Why would people who are vaccinated need to wear a mask given that number? I know you’re not too smart but please.

 

[The Barbarian]

Please tell me you’re not so dumb as to believe that Biden won’t submit a budget for his own spending priorities and won’t live with what Trump had been proposing.

He has. But passing it might be a problem.

Biden just submitted his proposed budget for next year with his proposed cuts.

Biden might well reverse the large tax increase Trump set up for middle and lower-income Americans. Or he might not; republicans really want to shift more of the tax burden off the rich and onto working Americans, and the lobbyists are putting a lot of money into taking more of your money. We'll see if Biden can save you or not.

 

[Jeff11]

He has. But passing it might be a problem.



Biden might well reverse the large tax increase Trump set up for middle and lower-income Americans. Or he might not; republicans really want to shift more of the tax burden off the rich and onto working Americans, and the lobbyists are putting a lot of money into taking more of your money. We'll see if Biden can save you or not.

How is passing it going to be a problem when the Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate?

Biden is the one who proposed largest tax increase with his budget

 

[The Barbarian]

How is passing it going to be a problem when the Democrats have a majority in the House and Senate?

Unfortunately there are conservative democrats. It's not a sure thing. And as I said, the wealthy have a lot of money and a lot of lobbyists.

Biden is the one who proposed largest tax increase with his budget

Actually, Biden's proposed tax for the rich and for large corporations is lower than that which Ronald Reagan considered to be fair.

And his proposal for tax cuts on the middle class are less generous than Reagan thought they should pay.

 

[The Barbarian]

Are you Math Illiterate? The infection rate for people who are vaccinated is .014%?

No. According to your source, that's the percent who are severely ill. The actual infection rate is 0.53%, which means about 27,000 infectious vaccinated people in the LA area, given 1.5million vaccinated people. Enough to be a considerable threat.

Why would people who are vaccinated need to wear a mask given that number?

Because 27,000 infected people is a serious source of spreading.

I know you’re not too smart but please.

QUOTE="Jeff11, post: 76240702, member: 417368"]Cumulatively, among 5.1 million L.A. County residents who are fully vaccinated, 0.53% have tested positive, 0.014% have been hospitalized and 0.0013% — or 68 people — have died.[/quote]

Do the math. Comes out to about 27,000 vaccinated people who are capable of spreading the disease.

 

[Jeff11]

No. According to your source, that's the percent who are severely ill. The actual infection rate is 0.53%, which means about 27,000 infectious vaccinated people in the LA area, given 1.5million vaccinated people. Enough to be a considerable threat.



Because 27,000 infected people is a serious source of spreading.



QUOTE="Jeff11, post: 76240702, member: 417368"]Cumulatively, among 5.1 million L.A. County residents who are fully vaccinated, 0.53% have tested positive, 0.014% have been hospitalized and 0.0013% — or 68 people — have died.

Do the math. Comes out to about 27,000 vaccinated people who are capable of spreading the disease.[/QUOTE]
The given reason for wearing a mask is to prevent the hospitals from being full. A hospitalization rate of .014% is not going to cause the hospitals to be overflowing.

 

[The Barbarian]

The given reason for wearing a mask is to prevent the hospitals from being full.

It's to stop the spread of COVID-19 virus. I thought you realized that. And as you probably now realize, 27,000 infected people in one urban area are a serious concern.

Other than being old, I'm at a relatively low risk of serious illness, being vaccinated, strong cardiopulmonary system, and so on. But I wear a mask mostly to protect others, in the event that I might have become infected without symptoms. I get some protection from it, but not nearly as much protection as it provides others.

 

[Elfkind]

I can't think of any reason to have a specific "Christian thing to do" with regard to vaccines, just like there's not any specific Christian way to make dinner, watch movies, garden work etc.

That's just how I think anyway. My 96 year old gradfather got both doses, so do my mum, dad, brother, sister-in-law, neighbours etc. If my son get the chance to get it, I hope he do. I've had no problems with it, also never heard of any problems, and I consider it a form of civic duty, to help getting rid of the plague that's been going on for too long.

 

[Jeff11]

It's to stop the spread of COVID-19 virus. I thought you realized that. And as you probably now realize, 27,000 infected people in one urban area are a serious concern.

Other than being old, I'm at a relatively low risk of serious illness, being vaccinated, strong cardiopulmonary system, and so on. But I wear a mask mostly to protect others, in the event that I might have become infected without symptoms. I get some protection from it, but not nearly as much protection as it provides others.

Then why don’t we wear a mask to stop the spread of the flu? Because flu doesn’t typically put people in the hospital. Hospitals don’t want to be in the position of having to choose who they put in intensive care and who doesn’t get a bed. The numbers for vaccinated people who end up in the hospital is incredibly small. The goal is to encourage people to get vaccinated allowing people not to wear a mask you have been with courage people to get vaccinated

 

[The Barbarian]

Then why don’t we wear a mask to stop the spread of the flu?

A lot of societies do. The big issue is that one picks up influenza virus readily from surfaces, and it seems COVID-19 doesn't transmit that way very efficiently.

But it is more effectively transmitted by air. We realized this, early on:

While COVID-19 and influenza (the flu) share certain symptoms—fever, cough and nausea, for example—they are different viruses and they behave differently in the body. COVID-19 seems to spread more easily and leads to a more serious illness than the flu.

As doctors and scientists have learned since the beginning of the pandemic, wearing face masks, washing your hands frequently and social distancing can greatly help reduce the spread of this respiratory virus.
Why Is COVID-19 More Contagious Than The Flu?

 

[Jeff11]

A lot of societies do. The big issue is that one picks up influenza virus readily from surfaces, and it seems COVID-19 doesn't transmit that way very efficiently.

But it is more effectively transmitted by air. We realized this, early on:

While COVID-19 and influenza (the flu) share certain symptoms—fever, cough and nausea, for example—they are different viruses and they behave differently in the body. COVID-19 seems to spread more easily and leads to a more serious illness than the flu.

As doctors and scientists have learned since the beginning of the pandemic, wearing face masks, washing your hands frequently and social distancing can greatly help reduce the spread of this respiratory virus.
Why Is COVID-19 More Contagious Than The Flu?

No countries wear a mask to stop the flu. You just lie about everything don’t you.

 

[The Barbarian]

No countries wear a mask to stop the flu.

There have been moments throughout our history when flu outbreaks have at least temporarily popularized face coverings. In Japan, masks are part of the daily culture, especially during flu and allergy season.

“It’s part of the culture in these places that if you know you have an infection, you cover your face with a mask to prevent yourself from sharing with others,” Dr. John Brooks, of the CDC, explained.

There are studies that suggest in certain situations, masks could help slow the spread of the yearly flu.
Why don't we wear masks every cold and flu season?

Growing up in South Korea, Jamie Cho knew from childhood that if she got sick, she had to put a face mask on, even if it was just a common cold.

“My parents told me it was to keep myself and others safe,” she told HuffPost. “I would see others wear masks as well, especially during the winter seasons.”

Many places in the U.S. did too, in the influenza pandemic:

Wear A Mask Or Go To Jail: Vintage Photos Show San Francisco’s ‘Mask Slackers’ Got Arrested During the 1918 Flu Pandemic
September 22, 2020 1910s, California, event & history, people, San Francisco
In September of 1918, a global flu pandemic made entry into California. The first cases were detected among travelers — a man who had returned to San Francisco from a trip to Chicago and seamen aboard a vessel that arrived to the harbor in Los Angeles.

What happened over the fall and winter will sound familiar. City officials imposed “stay at home” orders and forced the closure of schools and places of “public amusement.” Court proceedings and church services moved outdoors. Tents, hotels, and large halls served as makeshift hospitals. Panic was everywhere.
Wear A Mask Or Go To Jail: Vintage Photos Show San Francisco’s ‘Mask Slackers’ Got Arrested During the 1918 Flu Pandemic ~ Vintage Everyday

You just lie about everything don’t you.

I don't think you're a liar; I just think you're very, very ignorant of many things.

 

[Jeff11]

There have been moments throughout our history when flu outbreaks have at least temporarily popularized face coverings. In Japan, masks are part of the daily culture, especially during flu and allergy season.

“It’s part of the culture in these places that if you know you have an infection, you cover your face with a mask to prevent yourself from sharing with others,” Dr. John Brooks, of the CDC, explained.

There are studies that suggest in certain situations, masks could help slow the spread of the yearly flu.
Why don't we wear masks every cold and flu season?

Growing up in South Korea, Jamie Cho knew from childhood that if she got sick, she had to put a face mask on, even if it was just a common cold.

“My parents told me it was to keep myself and others safe,” she told HuffPost. “I would see others wear masks as well, especially during the winter seasons.”

Many places in the U.S. did too, in the influenza pandemic:

Wear A Mask Or Go To Jail: Vintage Photos Show San Francisco’s ‘Mask Slackers’ Got Arrested During the 1918 Flu Pandemic
September 22, 2020 1910s, California, event & history, people, San Francisco
In September of 1918, a global flu pandemic made entry into California. The first cases were detected among travelers — a man who had returned to San Francisco from a trip to Chicago and seamen aboard a vessel that arrived to the harbor in Los Angeles.

What happened over the fall and winter will sound familiar. City officials imposed “stay at home” orders and forced the closure of schools and places of “public amusement.” Court proceedings and church services moved outdoors. Tents, hotels, and large halls served as makeshift hospitals. Panic was everywhere.
Wear A Mask Or Go To Jail: Vintage Photos Show San Francisco’s ‘Mask Slackers’ Got Arrested During the 1918 Flu Pandemic ~ Vintage Everyday



I don't think you're a liar; I just think you're very, very ignorant of many things.

There haven’t been mask mandates like this since the Spanish flu in 1919. Unless you’re over 100 years old no one remembers it. I know you don’t have a high regard for the truth but those are the facts.

 

[The Barbarian]

There haven’t been mask mandates like this since the Spanish flu in 1919.

I bet, if you thought about it for a while, you could figure out why.

Meantime,you learned something new about other nations that use masks for influenza. Works, too. Notice we didn't have a flu season this year?

Don't get angry and abusive. Get smart. Learn about this stuff so you can talk about it without making obvious mistakes.

 

[Taodeching]

There haven’t been mask mandates like this since the Spanish flu in 1919.

O course not, because we haven't had a pandemic since then. Other countries do wear mask around flu season mostly Asian ones.

Don't get angry and abusive. Get smart. Learn about this stuff so you can talk about it without making obvious mistakes.

That is the problem with social media, it engenders angry and abusive speech because there is little time for introspection and thought. It becomes my side is right irregardless, there needs to be a third way a better way. Instead of the conservative yelling about being right all the time and instead of the liberal being self-righteous because they want to be right there should be dialog and question to find out were the other person is coming from.

 

[Jeff11]

I bet, if you thought about it for a while, you could figure out why.

Meantime,you learned something new about other nations that use masks for influenza. Works, too. Notice we didn't have a flu season this year?

Don't get angry and abusive. Get smart. Learn about this stuff so you can talk about it without making obvious mistakes.[/QUOTE

O course not, because we haven't had a pandemic since then. Other countries do wear mask around flu season mostly Asian ones.



That is the problem with social media, it engenders angry and abusive speech because there is little time for introspection and thought. It becomes my side is right irregardless, there needs to be a third way a better way. Instead of the conservative yelling about being right all the time and instead of the liberal being self-righteous because they want to be right there should be dialog and question to find out were the other person is coming from.

Thank you mr obvious. No one knew There has not been another pandemic since 1919.

Nobody in this country or in Europe wears mask for flu season. Very few people are wearing the N 95 mask’s which are the ones hospitals use. They were developed for surgeons to prevent like liquid likes saliva, blood etc. Hospitals use these because this is what they have on hand. Has very little affect on viruses due to the small size.

Ask yourself this question. Lots of people have not been vaccinated for measles for months for chickenpox etc. The people who have been vaccinated for these have to wear a mask or do they know that since I’m excited they’re not gonna catch this? It’s pretty obvious that vaccines work and that’s the reason why nobody has to wear a mask even though some people haven’t been vaccinated for a whole host of different conditions

 

[hedrick]

"They" are whoever decides what vaccines are authorized (for emergency use).
Deactivated vaccines (Valneva & Sinovac) are the "safer options."

From What are the different types of vaccines? - UChicago Medicine
Inactivated vaccines
Inactivated vaccines contain an inactivated or dead version of a virus or pathogen. They are not as similar to a real infection as live, attenuated vaccines so often people need multiple doses of this kind of vaccine to maintain immunity. These are safer for people who are immunocompromised. The injectable flu vaccine is an inactivated vaccine, as is the polio vaccine currently distributed in the United States...

In context that statement seems to mean in comparison to live attenuated virus vaccines.

 

[hedrick]

"They" are whoever decides what vaccines are authorized (for emergency use).
Deactivated vaccines (Valneva & Sinovac) are the "safer options."

From What are the different types of vaccines? - UChicago Medicine
Inactivated vaccines
Inactivated vaccines contain an inactivated or dead version of a virus or pathogen. They are not as similar to a real infection as live, attenuated vaccines so often people need multiple doses of this kind of vaccine to maintain immunity. These are safer for people who are immunocompromised. The injectable flu vaccine is an inactivated vaccine, as is the polio vaccine currently distributed in the United States...

Check the context. That’s safer than live, attenuated virus vaccines.

 

[Sabertooth]

In context that statement seems to mean in comparison to live attenuated virus vaccines.

Check the context. That’s safer than live, attenuated virus vaccines.

mRNA has not been tested on people with exceptional immune systems.

 

[Jeff11]

I bet, if you thought about it for a while, you could figure out why.

Meantime,you learned something new about other nations that use masks for influenza. Works, too. Notice we didn't have a flu season this year?

Don't get angry and abusive. Get smart. Learn about this stuff so you can talk about it without making obvious mistakes.

Odd that the poster who was telling me that Larry elder is a white supremacist is then telling me not to get angry and abusive? You completely slander the candidate for governor and then you tell other people not to be abusive? How about you take your own advice?