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The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

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I'd still like to know something, and I think I've asked you this before, but what would you think of the scriptures if you were to somehow be able to rise up above the atmosphere by being able to take a ride on a rocket or something, and see a spherical earth? Would it affect the way you see the scriptures, God, your salvation, or anything else once you see the earth is a sphere?
That's a good question.

What I wish is that NASA would take one of their satellites and take a picture or video of the globe so we could all put this to rest.... However, they have not done this and all images are either paintings or CGI.

Any non-fish eye lens video's and still photographs that I have seen presented... either show an earth that is much larger in diameter and thus the curve is undetectable..... or it is flat.

Either way, it does not curve at the necessary 8 inches per mile of distance, squared.

No matter what....something is wrong with the slop that they are feeding us as fact.
 
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That's a good question.

I was hoping for an equally good answer. Do you have one?

What I wish is that NASA would take one of their satellites and take a picture or video of the globe so we could all put this to rest....

This has been done thousands of times. But what good is it if they do it again and again, because when they do, all FE people will say is:
However, they have not done this and all images are either paintings or CGI.

So what's the use?
 
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Yes, and my point is that even though people have known about what they are for (thousands?) of years, there were still people just over a hundred years ago who still didn't accept science, and still believed the hype, legend and folklore about them. Does that remind you of anything today?
That people will believe anything. Especially if you tell them that they are going to die.

That it's easier to fool someone than to prove to them that they have been fooled?

That once people have been told something and it is presented as science.... they will believe it no matter how it goes against real observations.
 
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I was hoping for an equally good answer. Do you have one?



This has been done thousands of times. But what good is it if they do it again and again, because when they do, all FE people will say is:


So what's the use?
If you could take me up in a craft and show me the ball earth... then it would be obvious.

Please show me one of these thousands of images. You must be keeping them to yourself.
 
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That people will believe anything. Especially if you tell them that they are going to die.

That it's easier to fool someone than to prove to them that they have been fooled?

That once people have been told something and it is presented as science.... they will believe it no matter how it goes against real observations.

But it doesn't tell you that there are people who will believe something regardless of how many times the opposite has been proven? (implied answer is "no")
 
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If you could take me up in a craft and show me the ball earth... then it would be obvious.

Please show me one of these thousands of images. You must be keeping them to yourself.

Here's a real one for ya! Oh my, it really is flat!
Is this real enough for you?

flat-earth-stock.jpg
 
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That's a good question.

What I wish is that NASA would take one of their satellites and take a picture or video of the globe so we could all put this to rest.... However, they have not done this and all images are either paintings or CGI.

Any non-fish eye lens video's and still photographs that I have seen presented... either show an earth that is much larger in diameter and thus the curve is undetectable..... or it is flat.

Either way, it does not curve at the necessary 8 inches per mile of distance, squared.

No matter what....something is wrong with the slop that they are feeding us as fact.
Those videos exist. I've seen them and I'm sure you have, too. C'mon.
 
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Those videos exist. I've seen them and I'm sure you have, too. C'mon.

The assumption is that if they exist, they are faked because he knows the earth is flat, and anything that shows otherwise is therefore faked. I posted a picture of the "flat earth" in post #426. I'll be interested in finding out whether it will be seen as real or fake. I'm sure a lot of research will be put into the investigation of it.
 
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The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth:
(Flat Earth Refuted):

The Bible:

Job 26:10 NIV says,
"He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness."

Job 26:10 CEV says,
"On the surface of the ocean, God has drawn a boundary line between light and darkness."

Proverbs 8:27 NKJV says, "When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,"

Here it speaks of God drawing a circle on the face of the deep. From a “bird’s-eye view” of the ocean, the horizon is seen as a circle. Such an observation indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins, describing the reality of day and night on a spherical earth.

The Science:

Imagine taking a toy globe and lighting it with up with a flashlight in a dark room. You will see a circle of a shadow of darkness upon the globe or a circle of light. The line between light and darkness is the horizon line. This horizon line moves across the ocean upon the Earth. The curvature of the Earth prevents the light from reaching the other side. This would not be the case with a flat disk.

The Bible:

A Spherical Earth is further supported by Jesus in:

Luke 17:31, and Luke 17:34 that says, “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back...I tell you, in that night there will be two people in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left.”

This would seem to indicate the phenomenon of day on one side of the globe while darkness abides on the other.

The Science:

For the world experiences different time zones. In one part of the world, they see the sun setting while the other is in darkness. Another part of the world sees the sun rising. If the world were a flat disk, the sun would light the entire world all at once and there would be no time zones. Granted, flat earth theorists suggest that the sun is kind of like a spot light. But that doesn't really make any sense. Only a spherical Earth can allow for time zones or one part of the world experiencing the sunset while another part of the world sees the sunrise and another part of the world sees night time, etc. In fact, you can even talk and or have a video conference with people on the other side of the globe who is experiencing these different time zone differences.

The Science:

Ships and buildings appear to vanish into the horizon line the farther you move away from them. This only makes sense with a spherical Earth. A flat Earth and we would still see the bottom of ships and buildings from far away.

The Science:

Take an aircraft compass and fly on a plane going East from New York with New York being your return destination. You can do this by flying to Europe (Which is East). Then fly to India (Which is East). Then fly to Tokyo, Japan (Which is East). Then fly to California (Which is East). Then fly back to New York (Which is East). You can use the aircraft compass to check to make sure you are heading East the whole time.

The Science:

533 Astronauts have went to space and brought back pictures and video footage of the Earth showing that the Earth is indeed round or spherical. Some of these astronauts are even Christian. Jeffrey Williams had reported to a church live and talked about His Savior Jesus while he was on the international space station. He brought back photos showing that the Earth is indeed round.

Major Lack of Scientific Evidence for a Flat Earth:

No reports of any pilots or explorers having run into any end points (or drop offs) of the Earth. There should be lots of opportunities for this to happen seeing the flat Earth's edge goes in all directions (North, South, East, West, etc.). Not one of the 533 astronauts that went beyond low orbit has come out to speak about how the Earth is really flat instead of round.

The earth is neither flat, nor spherical. The bible never said the earth (erets, terra firma) was flat. It said that it was a circle (net shape, cross section) and that it had four corners (representing direction, or quadrants of a cross-sectional plane.)

Now, heaven (sky, atmosphere, chemical/thermal/electromagnetic spheres) is a spheroid, but that is mostly due to the geometry of the vector properties of what make up the heaven (fields.) The actual earth has no set geometry inherent in the motion. That is what makes "earth" so dynamic. The atmosphere responds to the earth changes through potential interactions - which also also polar in nature. Some of the books of the bible taken out talk about this.




tl;dr: the earth is both spheroid and flat-ish; the bible canon, even, does not contradict science

Edit: Clarified "heaven."
 
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But it doesn't tell you that there are people who will believe something regardless of how many times the opposite has been proven? (implied answer is "no")
Well.... "proven" is the operative word there, isn't it?
 
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Well.... "proven" is the operative word there, isn't it?

Maybe.
But how about the picture I posted in #426. Is that a real photo of earth or not? Take a good look at it and tell me why it is or isn't real. You've done extensive research on all the other earth photos and determined them to be fakes, so I'm curious as to how you'll rate this one.
 
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The earth is neither flat, nor spherical. The bible never said the earth (erets, terra firma) was flat. It said that it was a circle (net shape, cross section) and that it had four corners (representing direction, or quadrants of a cross-sectional plane.)

Now, heaven is a spheroid, but that is mostly due to the geometry of the vector properties of what make up the heaven (fields.) The actual earth has no set geometry inherent in the motion. That is what makes "earth" so dynamic. The atmosphere responds to the earth changes through potential interactions - which also also polar in nature. Some of the books of the bible taken out talk about this.




tl;dr: the earth is both spheroid and flat-ish; the bible canon, even, does not contradict science

Have a nice day.

I have moved on beyond this topic.
 
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Those videos exist. I've seen them and I'm sure you have, too. C'mon.
Show me.

Money Guy..... all you do is come on and blurt.... no content... nothing to add but ridicule.

What we have seen is all paintings or CGI...

Here is a real photo of Jupiter:
images


There was a gentleman on Youtube with a reflector type telescope, showing pictures of the planets...

They were quite different than the CGI images by science...

Check and see. They do not say "pictures" they say "images"..

Big difference.
 
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Maybe.
But how about the picture I posted in #426. Is that a real photo of earth or not? Take a good look at it and tell me why it is or isn't real. You've done extensive research on all the other earth photos and determined them to be fakes, so I'm curious as to how you'll rate this one.
Of course it's fake..

You want educated guesses... not proofs, as to why?

1/ Nobody has been out of low earth orbit to take it
2/ The FE does not have water running off of the sides. They are contained by the ice wall of Antarctica
3/ North pole is not in the center
4/ There is another planet close by that is HUGE... we have never seen any planet this large and this close
5/ The tip of South America is too close to the edge.
6/Australia is too small and Africa is too big.
7/ The sun is illuminating too much of the earth and is too high and large.
8/ The turtle ran away and left it hanging.
 
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What we have seen is all paintings or CGI...

How about the picture I posted in post #426? Real or fake?

Here is a real photo of Jupiter:
images


There was a gentleman on Youtube with a reflector type telescope, showing pictures of the planets...

They were quite different than the CGI images by science...

Check and see. They do not say "pictures" they say "images"..

Big difference.

I've never seen it look that way in a telescope. Here's what I've seen with my own eyes when looking at Mars, Jupiter and Saturn:
Mosaico16042016.jpg


But that's just looking through a telescope. It's not using a space probe that's gotten within a thousand miles of those planets.

But you've said that you do your own research rather than take the words of others. Now you're telling us what some guy saw Jupiter look like through a telescope, and you take his word for it because it looks far different. Have YOU looked at Jupiter through a telescope? I'm willing to bet you haven't. Doing so would mean seeing for yourself. I've done that, so I know what I've seen.
 
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Of course it's fake..

You want educated guesses... not proofs, as to why?

1/ Nobody has been out of low earth orbit to take it
2/ The FE does not have water running off of the sides. They are contained by the ice wall of Antarctica
3/ North pole is not in the center
4/ There is another planet close by that is HUGE... we have never seen any planet this large and this close
5/ The tip of South America is too close to the edge.
6/Australia is too small and Africa is too big.
7/ The sun is illuminating too much of the earth and is too high and large.
8/ The turtle ran away and left it hanging.

Hahahaha! I'm glad you're such an expert on the subject.
BTW, about #4--it's called The Moon.
 
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Hahahaha! I'm glad you're such an expert on the subject.
BTW, about #4--it's called The Moon.
You're so smart...
Show me where I said I was an expert.

That's why they are educated "guesses"

Even still the moon is too large for the theoretical FE model.

Where are all your videos and pictures of the real globe from space that you were telling us all about?
 
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How about the picture I posted in post #426? Real or fake?



I've never seen it look that way in a telescope. Here's what I've seen with my own eyes when looking at Mars, Jupiter and Saturn:
Mosaico16042016.jpg


But that's just looking through a telescope. It's not using a space probe that's gotten within a thousand miles of those planets.

But you've said that you do your own research rather than take the words of others. Now you're telling us what some guy saw Jupiter look like through a telescope, and you take his word for it because it looks far different. Have YOU looked at Jupiter through a telescope? I'm willing to bet you haven't. Doing so would mean seeing for yourself. I've done that, so I know what I've seen.
Did you take these pictures? Or are they from a site?
 
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Money Guy..... all you do is come on and blurt.... no content... nothing to add but ridicule.

What we have seen is all paintings or CGI...

Here is a real photo of Jupiter:
images


There was a gentleman on Youtube with a reflector type telescope, showing pictures of the planets...

They were quite different than the CGI images by science...

Check and see. They do not say "pictures" they say "images"..

Big difference.
They need to learn how to use there scope, I saw Jupiter much clearer with my 4.5 reflector years ago, Also could resolve the rings of Saturn without issue.
 
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Money Guy..... all you do is come on and blurt.... no content... nothing to add but ridicule.

What we have seen is all paintings or CGI...
Seriously, what's the point. Folks here have posted all kinds of photos and such but you and others dismiss them as CGI nonsense. I could post pics and other evidence, too, but it's all made up, right? I think atheists can present a stronger case against the existence of God that the FE nonsense. It doesn't need me to prove it to non-believers. That's been done with ample evidence.
 
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