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We are made of many of the same elements derived from soil and water as Genesis 2:7 states " God formed man of the dust of the ground & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". Everything in our physical world has a basis in being created out of star dust. Star Dust in other words debris from Super Nova's that occurred billions of years ago particularly during the beginning of time at approximately 13.7 billion years ago. See here how this fact relates to Genesis 2:7 dust to modern day astronomer and physicist view of the origin of the universe, our physical world being derived from star dust. We are made and comprised of the same elements that the heavenly bodies is composed of as well as our terrestrial environment.

Some of our oldest fossil records are linked to a single event called the Cambrian or Silurian explosion. Out of this event evolved some of the earliest arthropods and primarily aquatic species. We can observe today that some species such as the aquatic isopod underwent micro evolutionary changes to adapt to living on land. On the terrestrial isopod commonly known as the wood louse or (roly poly or pill bug) we can observe gills that allow these crustaceans to survive when submerged in water for short periods of time, this reminiscent of their aquatic ancestry. Many animals within the animal kingdom have underwent the process of evolution on a microscopic scale however large evolutionary jumps such as those purported by Darwin have yet to be seen and tested. This is due to the proposed processes taking approximately one million years to occur. However the Cambrian explosion indicates how life all stems from a single point and a plethora of species was produced during this pivotal time period.

The Cambrian explosion is also referred to as the biological big bang it occurred 538.8 million years ago. It is considered a biological epoch because virtually all modern day animal phyla developed during this event which lasted 13-25 million years a blink of an eye in terms of cosmic timeline. Let's look at Genesis 20, In this section of the Bible the following is stated, "And God said, Let the water teem with living creatures", this indicates that according to the Bible life originated in the ocean first and foremost which corresponds with the scientific view of life first developing in the oceans via life forms such as, arthropods and mollusk both being of aquatic origin.

"What is the great difference between supposing that God makes variable species or that he makes laws by which species vary?"- Louis Aggasiz

There is no fundamental difference in these two separate statements. In the eyes of believers the natural development and progression of natural, processes, occurrences, phenomena and organisms in general is often proof in an of itself for intelligent design. The intricacies and very well planned out details of these phenomena cannot occur sporadically without careful thought being put into these natural workmanship(so to speak). It is the thought process behind these extremely detailed and well thought out designs along with the creative intellect that is stand alone proof for a divine creator. To deny such or claim that random probability was the driving force for such well formed organized systems along with tangible/intangible products is unsubstantiated.

I'm not certain this addresses your thread exactly. We would not be having this rapport however without consciousness. What gives rise to consciousness?

Is the universe conscious?
...Then there’s University of Oxford mathematician Roger Penrose’s suggestion that our consciousness is actually “the reason the universe is here”. It is based on a hunch about quantum theory’s shortcomings. But if there is any substance to this idea, the framework of IIT – and its exclusion postulate in particular – suggests that information flow between the various scales of the universe’s contents could create different kinds of consciousness that ebb and flow depending on what exists at any particular time. The evolution of our consciousness might have, in IIT’s terms, “excluded” the consciousness of the universe.
Or perhaps not. There are good reasons to remain sceptical about the power of maths to explain consciousness, never mind the knock-on effects for our understanding of physics. We seem to be dealing with something so involved that calculations may not even be possible, according to Phil Maguire, a computer scientist at Maynooth University in Ireland. “Breaking down cognitive processes is so complex that it is not feasible,” he says.
Others express related doubts as to whether maths is up to the job, even in principle. “I think mathematics can help us understand the neural basis of consciousness in the brain, and perhaps even machine consciousness, but it will inevitably leave something out: the felt inner quality of experience,” says Susan Schneider, a philosopher and cognitive scientist at the University of Connecticut.

Philip Goff, a philosopher at Durham University, UK, and a vocal advocate for panpsychism, has a similar view. Consciousness deals with physical phenomena in terms of their perceived qualities, he points out – the smell of coffee or the taste of mint, for example – which aren’t conveyable in a purely quantitative objective framework. “In dealing with consciousness, we need more than the standard scientific tools of public observation and mathematics,” Goff says...

Why we need to invoke philosophy to judge bizarre concepts in science
...Take supersymmetry, the much-beloved (by physicists, at least) notion that every fundamental particle we know of has a much heavier partner that we are yet to discover. Its mathematical elegance sends proponents into rapture, but it is let down by the small matter of us not having a shred of evidence it is true.
Dark matter at first appears on firmer ground. Under our current best understanding of gravity, Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity, various lines of evidence point us towards the idea that 85 per cent of the mass within the universe is invisible. We see its gravitational effects throughout the cosmos. And yet, dark matter feels a bit too convenient. Yes, it explains a bunch of otherwise unexplainable phenomena, but given that we are yet to directly detect a particle of dark matter, that explanation feels uncomfortably like writing “here be dragons” in the margins of cosmology.
 
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Being mean spirited and condescending is not helpful there's simply no need for that.
Perhaps you should think about stating the purpose of the dissertation in your OP(?)

In some circles, its seen as impolite to not do so in an introduction.

Eg: Mainstream science publications generally always start with an Abstract which summarises the purpose and the essence of the study undertaken.

Oh .. and 'being mean' is not really the concern of the listener .. moreso its the speaker's choice . A suggestion would be to elaborate as to why you feel its 'mean'. I'd bet you have different interpretations of that term. Discussing them would be a start.
 
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Welcome aboard, AG! :wave:

Nice to meet you.

If you stay any length of time -- (and I hope you do) -- you're going to encounter a whole spectrum of emotions and moods.

From mean to lean and everything in between!

God bless!
Thanks! it's nice to meet you. I like this community and hope to meet more potential friends here and be a part of a larger faith based community. Thank you for the heads up, this is my first time attempting to write because I was inspired by the holy spirit to do small segments of writing on certain topics some of them relating to the scientific community. But at the same time I needed a reality check and to get accustomed to these types of interactions so this has certainly been a good learning experience to do so. Hopefully we can keep in touch and discuss more and learn from one another in the near future. Feel free to shoot me a message as I love talking to new people and sharing about the faith :)
 
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Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Herschel, Maunder and this is just a list for astronomers. Would you care to add to this list? Please feel free to jump in. I quoted Aggasiz for a reason by the way but a quick google search can also do anyone some good if they are interested on the topic, I'd recommend researching to anyone who wants to learn more about scientist who aren't in favor of evolution or the latter.
I can think of many other scientists who predated or were near contemporaries of Darwin who were "not in favor" of his theory (mostly because they never heard of it) that's no trick. But I never would have thought of picking astronomers as reliable critics' of a theory of biology. :scratch:
 
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Perhaps you should think about stating the purpose of the dissertation in your OP(?)

In some circles, its seen as impolite to not do so in an introduction.

Eg: Mainstream science publications generally always start with an Abstract which summarises the purpose and the essence of the study undertaken.

Oh .. and 'being mean' is not really the concern of the listener .. moreso its the speaker's choice . A suggestion would be to elaborate as to why you feel its 'mean'. I'd bet you have different interpretations of that term. Discussing them would be a start.
Thank you for your input. That's a valid argument and I will take that into consideration for the future. I think I don't need to speak on why the particular response we are discussing was uncalled for as it's self explanatory but nonetheless I appreciate your view point and candidness.
 
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I can think of many other scientists who predated or were near contemporaries of Darwin who were "not in favor" of his theory (mostly because they never heard of it) that's no trick. But I never would have thought of picking astronomers as reliable critics' of a theory of biology. :scratch:
They are scientist nonetheless and I reference the big bang in my writing although it was brief. So I think it's clear where my interest lie and why I may have referenced astronomers the most. I don't think these scientist studying a different subset of science makes them any less reliable to critic a theory from biology. They most likely have also studied the subject I know one of my favorite astrophysicist in particular Dr. Hugh Ross has. So why would other scientist although they may be from a different field of study not have done the same? It's highly probable that they have and I believe all sciences share commonalities so why would they not be qualified to speak on other subjects? That's my thought process or reasoning.
 
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They are scientist nonetheless and I reference the big bang in my writing although it was brief. So I think it's clear where my interest lie and why I may have referenced astronomers the most. I don't think these scientist studying a different subset of science makes them any less reliable to critic a theory from biology. They most likely have also studied the subject I know one of my favorite astrophysicist in particular Dr. Hugh Ross has. So why would other scientist although they may be from a different field of study not have done the same? It's highly probable that they have and I believe all sciences share commonalities so why would they not be qualified to speak on other subjects? That's my thought process or reasoning.
Yes, but my point was that some of those people never heard of the theory of evolution. . Galileo? Copernicus? How could they have critiqued it?
 
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The fossil record does not indicate large evolutionary jumps. Cambrian explosion is a single event the time span is quite irrelevant it was a point in time that these creatures came about. Thanks again for the input though.
The Cambrian "explosion" lasted for around a million generations (or more). That's more generations than it took for all of us apes to diversify.
 
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I'm not certain this addresses your thread exactly. We would not be having this rapport however without consciousness. What gives rise to consciousness?

Is the universe conscious?
...Then there’s University of Oxford mathematician Roger Penrose’s suggestion that our consciousness is actually “the reason the universe is here”. It is based on a hunch about quantum theory’s shortcomings. But if there is any substance to this idea, the framework of IIT – and its exclusion postulate in particular – suggests that information flow between the various scales of the universe’s contents could create different kinds of consciousness that ebb and flow depending on what exists at any particular time. The evolution of our consciousness might have, in IIT’s terms, “excluded” the consciousness of the universe.
Or perhaps not. There are good reasons to remain sceptical about the power of maths to explain consciousness, never mind the knock-on effects for our understanding of physics. We seem to be dealing with something so involved that calculations may not even be possible, according to Phil Maguire, a computer scientist at Maynooth University in Ireland. “Breaking down cognitive processes is so complex that it is not feasible,” he says.
Others express related doubts as to whether maths is up to the job, even in principle. “I think mathematics can help us understand the neural basis of consciousness in the brain, and perhaps even machine consciousness, but it will inevitably leave something out: the felt inner quality of experience,” says Susan Schneider, a philosopher and cognitive scientist at the University of Connecticut.

Philip Goff, a philosopher at Durham University, UK, and a vocal advocate for panpsychism, has a similar view. Consciousness deals with physical phenomena in terms of their perceived qualities, he points out – the smell of coffee or the taste of mint, for example – which aren’t conveyable in a purely quantitative objective framework. “In dealing with consciousness, we need more than the standard scientific tools of public observation and mathematics,” Goff says...

Why we need to invoke philosophy to judge bizarre concepts in science
...Take supersymmetry, the much-beloved (by physicists, at least) notion that every fundamental particle we know of has a much heavier partner that we are yet to discover. Its mathematical elegance sends proponents into rapture, but it is let down by the small matter of us not having a shred of evidence it is true.
Dark matter at first appears on firmer ground. Under our current best understanding of gravity, Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity, various lines of evidence point us towards the idea that 85 per cent of the mass within the universe is invisible. We see its gravitational effects throughout the cosmos. And yet, dark matter feels a bit too convenient. Yes, it explains a bunch of otherwise unexplainable phenomena, but given that we are yet to directly detect a particle of dark matter, that explanation feels uncomfortably like writing “here be dragons” in the margin

I'm not certain this addresses your thread exactly. We would not be having this rapport however without consciousness. What gives rise to consciousness?

Is the universe conscious?
...Then there’s University of Oxford mathematician Roger Penrose’s suggestion that our consciousness is actually “the reason the universe is here”. It is based on a hunch about quantum theory’s shortcomings. But if there is any substance to this idea, the framework of IIT – and its exclusion postulate in particular – suggests that information flow between the various scales of the universe’s contents could create different kinds of consciousness that ebb and flow depending on what exists at any particular time. The evolution of our consciousness might have, in IIT’s terms, “excluded” the consciousness of the universe.
Or perhaps not. There are good reasons to remain sceptical about the power of maths to explain consciousness, never mind the knock-on effects for our understanding of physics. We seem to be dealing with something so involved that calculations may not even be possible, according to Phil Maguire, a computer scientist at Maynooth University in Ireland. “Breaking down cognitive processes is so complex that it is not feasible,” he says.
Others express related doubts as to whether maths is up to the job, even in principle. “I think mathematics can help us understand the neural basis of consciousness in the brain, and perhaps even machine consciousness, but it will inevitably leave something out: the felt inner quality of experience,” says Susan Schneider, a philosopher and cognitive scientist at the University of Connecticut.

Philip Goff, a philosopher at Durham University, UK, and a vocal advocate for panpsychism, has a similar view. Consciousness deals with physical phenomena in terms of their perceived qualities, he points out – the smell of coffee or the taste of mint, for example – which aren’t conveyable in a purely quantitative objective framework. “In dealing with consciousness, we need more than the standard scientific tools of public observation and mathematics,” Goff says...

Why we need to invoke philosophy to judge bizarre concepts in science
...Take supersymmetry, the much-beloved (by physicists, at least) notion that every fundamental particle we know of has a much heavier partner that we are yet to discover. Its mathematical elegance sends proponents into rapture, but it is let down by the small matter of us not having a shred of evidence it is true.
Dark matter at first appears on firmer ground. Under our current best understanding of gravity, Albert Einstein’s general theory of relativity, various lines of evidence point us towards the idea that 85 per cent of the mass within the universe is invisible. We see its gravitational effects throughout the cosmos. And yet, dark matter feels a bit too convenient. Yes, it explains a bunch of otherwise unexplainable phenomena, but given that we are yet to directly detect a particle of dark matter, that explanation feels uncomfortably like writing “here be dragons” in the margins of cosmology.
Thank you for your input that's fascinating. I appreciate your ideas and will definitely give them a considerable amount of thought and research. Thanks again.
 
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Thank you for your input. That's a valid argument and I will take that into consideration for the future. I think I don't need to speak on why the particular response we are discussing was uncalled for as it's self explanatory but nonetheless I appreciate your view point and candidness.
I might suggest that what you perceive as 'mean-ness' was used deliberately, in order to get you to stop and reflect upon the impact of proceeding to publish misrepresentations that the scientific community can instantly recognise.

Its one thing to innocently misunderstand how scientific thinkers view Evolution .. but its another matter entirely to make assertions on their behalf about what Evolution 'does, or does not say'.
 
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Yes, but my point was that some of those people never heard of the theory of evolution. . Galileo? Copernicus? How could they have critiqued it?
Well keyword some, I suppose some couldn't have. It simply would not have been possible. I simply shouldn't have mentioned them but honest mistake, I'm human.
 
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I might suggest that what you perceive as 'mean-ness' was used deliberately, in order to get you to stop and reflect upon the impact of proceeding to publish misrepresentations that the scientific community can instantly recognise.

Its one thing to innocently misunderstand how scientific thinkers view Evolution .. but its another matter entirely to make assertions on their behalf about what Evolution 'does, or does not say'.
None the less is it justifiable behavior? I don't believe I misrepresented anything. I was fairly neutral in my writing and shared my personal view points and findings in regards to this subject. If I deliberately lied then call me out but I see no lies in my writing it's a simple analysis.
 
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They are scientist nonetheless and I reference the big bang in my writing although it was brief. So I think it's clear where my interest lie and why I may have referenced astronomers the most. I don't think these scientist studying a different subset of science makes them any less reliable to critic a theory from biology. They most likely have also studied the subject I know one of my favorite astrophysicist in particular Dr. Hugh Ross has. So why would other scientist although they may be from a different field of study not have done the same? It's highly probable that they have and I believe all sciences share commonalities so why would they not be qualified to speak on other subjects? That's my thought process or reasoning.
Is Hugh Ross even alive anymore? He doesn't seem to have done any astronomy in almost 50 years.
 
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To call something "unsubstantiated" which can be demonstrated mathematically is, if not bollocks, at least in need of further explanation.
How has it been demonstrated mathematically where do you get that idea from?
 
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Is Hugh Ross even alive anymore? He doesn't seem to have done any astronomy in almost 50 years.
Of course he's alive, what's the point of asking such a silly question? He works in science based ministry until this day and has an extensive background in astronomy and physics.
 
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How has it been demonstrated mathematically where do you get that idea from?
It's late here and I'm on my phone anyway having a hard time finding a paper which is not paywalled for you, but here is a typical abstract:

 
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