Stoning to death, Mixed fabrics

[Jonathan95]

Hi,

I have some questions. I've been reading a lot about Messianic teaching on verses in Galatians, Colossians etc, that would seem to mean that the law/Torah is abolished, and started understanding that it's not abolished and such (at least not everything). I also believe Paul kept Torah.

I wonder what is your (MJ's) stance on stoning to death / putting to death, which is commanded in the Torah in several cases? Now I've heard that stoning was just in rare cases or such, since G-d is merciful or such. But still, isn't this to be obeyed? If not, how would it line up with: "For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all." James 2:10 CJB

And also, what about this commandment?: (Leviticus 19:19 CJB) “‘Observe my regulations. “‘Don’t let your livestock mate with those of another kind, don’t sow your field with two different kinds of grain, and don’t wear a garment of cloth made with two different kinds of thread.

Lets say: What about people that live in poor countries, and that are Christian, where clothing of only one thread isn't produced, and to buy elsewhere would be too expensive for them?

 

[sevengreenbeans]

Hi,

I have some questions. I've been reading a lot about Messianic teaching on verses in Galatians, Colossians etc, that would seem to mean that the law/Torah is abolished, and started understanding that it's not abolished and such (at least not everything). I also believe Paul kept Torah.

I wonder what is your (MJ's) stance on stoning to death / putting to death, which is commanded in the Torah in several cases? Now I've heard that stoning was just in rare cases or such, since G-d is merciful or such. But still, isn't this to be obeyed? If not, how would it line up with: "For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all." James 2:10 CJB

And also, what about this commandment?: (Leviticus 19:19 CJB) “‘Observe my regulations. “‘Don’t let your livestock mate with those of another kind, don’t sow your field with two different kinds of grain, and don’t wear a garment of cloth made with two different kinds of thread.

Lets say: What about people that live in poor countries, and that are Christian, where clothing of only one thread isn't produced, and to buy elsewhere would be too expensive for them?

It is my personal opinion that if Torah Law was established and instituted above the laws of man, we would see the return of the death penalty for certain broken commandments, as outlined in the Torah. These types of commandments are usually those which would affect the entire community if broken. "A little leaven will leaven the whole lump (of dough)". People, by nature, follow the example of others. If an operating system is running smoothly and a virus is introduced, that virus needs to be removed before it affects the whole system. This is the same concept with the community living the Torah. However, the majority of the world lives under secular government. We must abide by the laws of our lands. It is not our decision to go out stoning people. This would be wrong under civil law. It would be wrong under Torah Law, as well. There are still guidelines to follow. The crime is to be reported to the proper authority, not just anyone can sit in the seat of Moshe/Moses. At least two witnesses to a crime, there is a type of hearing, and a ruling, etc., before any punishment is carried out.

The fabric referred to in Leviticus 19 is linen and wool mixed.


H8162
שׁעטנז
sha‛aṭnêz
shah-at-naze'
Probably of foreign derivation; linsey woolsey, that is, cloth of linen and wool carded and spun together: - garment of divers sorts, linen and woollen.

There are health implications with this, since the wearing of the two together can collapse a person's electrical field.

If you go to www.zipporahsthimble.com and click to enter the site, part of the original research article can be found just under the educational videos, click on "Linen - Healing Properties Information Article".
(The Original Linen article is the property of Hebrews Today who are the researchers of the Linen testing and is copyrighted material at the US Library of Congress, Zipporah Reshel Designs was given permission to use the article in 2006.)

 

[visionary]

Hi,

I have some questions. I've been reading a lot about Messianic teaching on verses in Galatians, Colossians etc, that would seem to mean that the law/Torah is abolished, and started understanding that it's not abolished and such (at least not everything). I also believe Paul kept Torah.

I wonder what is your (MJ's) stance on stoning to death / putting to death, which is commanded in the Torah in several cases? Now I've heard that stoning was just in rare cases or such, since G-d is merciful or such. But still, isn't this to be obeyed? If not, how would it line up with: "For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all." James 2:10 CJB

And also, what about this commandment?: (Leviticus 19:19 CJB) “‘Observe my regulations. “‘Don’t let your livestock mate with those of another kind, don’t sow your field with two different kinds of grain, and don’t wear a garment of cloth made with two different kinds of thread.

Lets say: What about people that live in poor countries, and that are Christian, where clothing of only one thread isn't produced, and to buy elsewhere would be too expensive for them?

Who is the Judge? Yeshua
Who is our Advocate? Yeshua
Who is going to preside over His Law? Yeshua
Who is going to make the determinations as to which deserves what punishment? Yeshua
And what rule book is He going to use? Torah.

 

[yedida]

Hi,

I have some questions. I've been reading a lot about Messianic teaching on verses in Galatians, Colossians etc, that would seem to mean that the law/Torah is abolished, and started understanding that it's not abolished and such (at least not everything). I also believe Paul kept Torah.

I wonder what is your (MJ's) stance on stoning to death / putting to death, which is commanded in the Torah in several cases? Now I've heard that stoning was just in rare cases or such, since G-d is merciful or such. But still, isn't this to be obeyed? If not, how would it line up with: "For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all." James 2:10 CJB

And also, what about this commandment?: (Leviticus 19:19 CJB) “‘Observe my regulations. “‘Don’t let your livestock mate with those of another kind, don’t sow your field with two different kinds of grain, and don’t wear a garment of cloth made with two different kinds of thread.

Lets say: What about people that live in poor countries, and that are Christian, where clothing of only one thread isn't produced, and to buy elsewhere would be too expensive for them?

And it's not difficult to follow the clothing restrictions. Don't worry about those in the poor country, that certainly would have no bearing on whether or not you should do your best to obey. Let Hashem to what is right and just in that far country. You don't have their excuse.

 

[Jonathan95]

It is my personal opinion that if Torah Law was established and instituted above the laws of man, we would see the return of the death penalty for certain broken commandments, as outlined in the Torah. These types of commandments are usually those which would affect the entire community if broken. "A little leaven will leaven the whole lump (of dough)". People, by nature, follow the example of others. If an operating system is running smoothly and a virus is introduced, that virus needs to be removed before it affects the whole system. This is the same concept with the community living the Torah. However, the majority of the world lives under secular government. We must abide by the laws of our lands. It is not our decision to go out stoning people. This would be wrong under civil law. It would be wrong under Torah Law, as well. There are still guidelines to follow. The crime is to be reported to the proper authority, not just anyone can sit in the seat of Moshe/Moses. At least two witnesses to a crime, there is a type of hearing, and a ruling, etc., before any punishment is carried out.

Yes, and I just thought about something.. In the Corinthian congregation, they didn't practice stoning of people(?), but were encouraged excommunication or what I should call it. "God will judge those who are outside. Just expel the evildoer from among yourselves." 1 Cor 5:13 CJB. God - not us, right?

I believe stoning only applied to people under the covenant, right?

There are health implications with this, since the wearing of the two together can collapse a person's electrical field.

If you go to www.zipporahsthimble.com and click to enter the site, part of the original research article can be found just under the educational videos, click on "Linen - Healing Properties Information Article".
(The Original Linen article is the property of Hebrews Today who are the researchers of the Linen testing and is copyrighted material at the US Library of Congress, Zipporah Reshel Designs was given permission to use the article in 2006.)

Thanks, I didn't really know about the health properties and so, more than that there might be dangerous chemicals in clothing or such.


Thanks for your replies.

Also, I'm 17 years old - how can I abstain from pork and such, and not wear clothing with mixed fabrics when my parents for sure wouldn't allow this? I'm not giving excuses, I do want to obey G-d, that's why I've been researching, to find out if Torah is still to be kept and such.

 

[annier]

It is my personal opinion that if Torah Law was established and instituted above the laws of man, we would see the return of the death penalty for certain broken commandments, as outlined in the Torah. These types of commandments are usually those which would affect the entire community if broken. "A little leaven will leaven the whole lump (of dough)". People, by nature, follow the example of others. If an operating system is running smoothly and a virus is introduced, that virus needs to be removed before it affects the whole system. This is the same concept with the community living the Torah. However, the majority of the world lives under secular government. We must abide by the laws of our lands. It is not our decision to go out stoning people. This would be wrong under civil law. It would be wrong under Torah Law, as well. There are still guidelines to follow. The crime is to be reported to the proper authority, not just anyone can sit in the seat of Moshe/Moses. At least two witnesses to a crime, there is a type of hearing, and a ruling, etc., before any punishment is carried out.

The fabric referred to in Leviticus 19 is linen and wool mixed.


H8162
שׁעטנז
sha‛aṭnêz
shah-at-naze'
Probably of foreign derivation; linsey woolsey, that is, cloth of linen and wool carded and spun together: - garment of divers sorts, linen and woollen.

There are health implications with this, since the wearing of the two together can collapse a person's electrical field.

If you go to www.zipporahsthimble.com and click to enter the site, part of the original research article can be found just under the educational videos, click on "Linen - Healing Properties Information Article".
(The Original Linen article is the property of Hebrews Today who are the researchers of the Linen testing and is copyrighted material at the US Library of Congress, Zipporah Reshel Designs was given permission to use the article in 2006.)

How is this site reckoning all this stuff? They even mention the holiness of the linen garments of the priests. What about the holiest garments of all, unto the high priest alone? The ephod made of woolen and linen? Could it be that the mixture is alike to the holy compound of anointing oil? That also was for the priests alone. As Josephus records the wearing of woolen and linen was fabric ( aka, the Golden garments) reserved for the priest alone to wear.