Southrn baptist bibles

[JesusFo11ower]

My southern baptist church doesn't use the KJV and I was wondering if this is out of the ordinary. I love that they use the ESV, HCSB, and NASB because they are easier to understand. Their theory is that as long as a bible is not gender neutral it is good enough to read. Is this a normal southern baptist belief?

 

[Hammster]

I'm not sure how widespread it is. But it's not uncommon.

 

[JesusFo11ower]

The reason I ask is that the last SBC before this one I went to was KJV-only.

 

[Striver]

KJV tends to be more of an independent/fundamentalist Baptist thing, and a number of these are no longer with the SBC these days. I'm sure there are some rural churches that would fit this criterion, but an average church wouldn't.

My Pastor is not the run-of-the-mill Baptist, even though he's pretty committed to historic Baptist faith. He recently switched from using the NIV84 to the ESV out of concerns for the gender-neutral language and some other translation choices. I've seen this trend in a number of other churches, but I know of others that continue to use the NIV11.

 

[Bluelion]

My school is baptist but not southern, we are conservative, Most professors use the NLT bible, Some may use the ASB to make a point or King James. The ASB is the most litral translation of the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek text.

Personally I believe using many translation to understand a verse I find this a great help, but when text is question I always go to KJV and ASB.

 

[JesusFo11ower]

I love some of the bibles that my church doesn't approve of like the NIV 2011 and the CEB, also the NLT. I use the HCSB in church but use many kinds at home.

 

[Bluelion]

I love some of the bibles that my church doesn't approve of like the NIV 2011 and the CEB, also the NLT. I use the HCSB in church but use many kinds at home.

I don't like the NIV as much I find it misleading to me. A preacher gave my wife the NLT because she could not understand the Bible. I found my self reading it and a whole new world open up. AT first I compared verse by verse with KJV. Then Jesus spoke to me He said doesn't it say the same thing, and I looked at the text from both books and answered yes just in different way, and There was my answer. I like the ASB too, those are my 3 NLT, KJV, ASB. with KJV I also like strongs which goes with it.

 

[MrJim]

The SBC I attend uses Lifeway's SS materials that uses Holman version exclusively (used to post KJV & Holman but that changed)~~new preacher rolled in couple years back though and he's NKJV and I noticed the old KJV pew bibles were replaced with NKJV. I notice though people use all sorts of different versions.

 

[pyramid33]

The reason I ask is that the last SBC before this one I went to was KJV-only.

Nothing wrong with the version the others were attempted to be copied from.

I find it weird when the kjv is belittled to lift another version. I pretty much ignore the rest of the rant, aware that it will not be intelligent.

 

[OzSpen]

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Here you have committed the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy.

In this fallacy you have ridiculed/mocked the NIV 2011 and CEB without providing evidence for your argument. It is fallacious reasoning because when you mock a claim, it does not show that it is false.

Oz

 

[Hammster]

Here you have committed the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy.

In this fallacy you have ridiculed/mocked the NIV 2011 and CEB without providing evidence for your argument. It is fallacious reasoning because when you mock a claim, it does not show that it is false.

Oz

So?

 

[OzSpen]

I don't like the NIV as much I find it misleading to me. A preacher gave my wife the NLT because she could not understand the Bible. I found my self reading it and a whole new world open up. AT first I compared verse by verse with KJV. Then Jesus spoke to me He said doesn't it say the same thing, and I looked at the text from both books and answered yes just in different way, and There was my answer. I like the ASB too, those are my 3 NLT, KJV, ASB. with KJV I also like strongs which goes with it.

About 3 years ago, my son introduced me to the New Living Translation (NLT) and I find it to be a brilliant translation, as long as one understands that it is a thought-for-thought (dynamic equivalence) translation. It is dynamic for use by non-Christians. For my daily devotions I'm using the NLT to work my way through the entire Bible. I love the translation with its simplified language.

However, I don't like what Tyndale House Publishers have done with some of the marketing ploy with The Love Languages NLT. I find this to be psychologizing the Bible.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

So?

Don't you understand the seriousness to logical reasoning on CF when you engage in the use of a logical fallacy? You did not provide evidence for your claim about the NIV 2011 and CEB, but engaged in the use of fallacious reasoning. It becomes impossible to reason with you when you do this to conversation.

I have challenged you with this kind of issue many times on different threads but you continue to use logical fallacies.

 

[tall73]

The SBC I attend uses Lifeway's SS materials that uses Holman version exclusively (used to post KJV & Holman but that changed)~~new preacher rolled in couple years back though and he's NKJV and I noticed the old KJV pew bibles were replaced with NKJV. I notice though people use all sorts of different versions.

I think what happened with the Lifeway material is that they now actually offer three versions for their materials. You can get the exclusively KJV, the exclusively NIV or the Exclusively HCB. Unfortunately the NIV is the new one, not the 1984 version, so it has the gender inclusive language. When it is translating anthropos I guess that is not so big of a deal as the word can refer to people in general. However, it does not limit it to that.

 

[Bluelion]

You implied that the CEB and NIV are better off burnt which to me is pretty close to slander. Besides, I highly doubt you have anyone on your side on the matter. Whatever a retraction is -- I don't care. Nobody should ever insult ANY translation of the bible.

I agree with you on this issue, but there are exceptions. Like The New World translation JW Bible and also The qeen james bible. The qeen james bible should be burned.

but The NIV is an ok translation, maybe not the best but certainly not heresy.

 

[Hammster]

Just shut up I am reporting you to the other mods/admins and I don't need to explain myself or anything and even if you give me an infraction the other mods will take it off once they've seen what you said.

I'm not giving you an infraction. I never even suggested such a thing. I just don't like to be accused of something that I didn't do.

Saying a VERSION of a bible is good for a fire is NOT the same thing as saying the word of God should be burned.

 

[OzSpen]

Even though I was only providing my opinion, I'll back up my claim.

Now, I'm assuming that each of these versions is printed in paper. The last I checked, paper burns. So, if you need to start a fire, tear out several pages, crumple them, place under some kindling and ignite them. If you have a fire already going, the compactness of the pages will allow it to burn more like a log.

Also, I assume there is a bit of weight to them, so I think they would make ideal door stops, assuming the door isn't too heavy. Probably ideal for an interior door.

Now you are engaging in chucking off at me while ignoring my challenge to you of your use of the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy.

If you continue to treat me like this as a stupid idiot, I'll need to put you on 'ignore'.

Where is the evidence for your claim about the NIV 2011 and the CEB?

 

[Hammster]

Now you are engaging in chucking off at me while ignoring my challenge to you of your use of the appeal to ridicule logical fallacy.

If you continue to treat me like this as a stupid idiot, I'll need to put you on 'ignore'.

Where is the evidence for your claim about the NIV 2011 and the CEB?

Go look at the claim I made. Tell me how I didn't defend it. I'm not sure why you are making a big deal over my opinion of some versions and their usefulness.

 

[tall73]

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I read the NIV, though I prefer the older version of it. However, I am not going to get worked up over what he said any more than I do when folks claim that anything other than the KJV is a new world order conspiracy. It is his view. His view doesn't make a crisis for any folks who think those versions have merit. If you like the NIV, or CEB, then just say you disagree with him and move on.

If he ever wants to say why he thinks that particular translations are not good he can. If he doesn't, well, it is just his opinion and he won't convince anyone by not giving reasons.

 

[bloodbought09]

I am KJV only as well and presently attend an Assembly of God church. What you all need to understand is that something sinister is going on with translations of the bible. If Hammster has reason to believe that the translations other than the KJV have been corrupted in any way, if it is true, it is really not the word of God. Hammster is not saying that the word of God should be burned but that these translations that add to and subtract from the word of God are fit for the fire and that for them to be used as a doorstop would be gracious for some of these translations seeing that they have been altered and copywrited. Some translations have limited the deity of Jesus Christ, taken out key words like "the blood" and in some cases like the NIV, they have omitted whole verses. When ministers search diligently through many translations to find a verse or twist a verse to suit their false doctrines, this is much worse than simply taking the word of God as it is written and throwing away man's doctrines.

Now, I have not been formally introduced to Hammster, nor any of you but calling into question his qualifications for being a mod because of his thoughts about other translations seems to be out of fear being that he may be the judge and jury in this case. But, in my perspective, this is a motion taken against him out of fear and misunderstanding by a person who cannot:

Proverbs 3:5-6
King James Version (KJV)
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

I motion that some actions are being done out of fear as well as accusations of "illogical fallacy" instead of being directed by the Lord Jesus Christ.

I will try to find some videos that talk about certain verses that add to and subtract from the word of God. Then as you watch, if you would like to open your own different versions of your bibles to the ones highlighted you can compare. But please be patient, I am busy with some ushering in about an hour and will be away for awhile.

Be blessed.