Soulless People - Bible Source Needed

[The Lady Of The Lake]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

I know it can’t be just me, because I have had more than one person bring it up in conversation – though one person identified the sign as some children being born without souls.

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched. Even if I have, a fictional movie is hardly a good source for important information – especially biblical - and it is unlikely that I would have just accepted it as fact. However, it does show that there seems to be at least one more person - with whom I am not acquainted (the person who added this into the movie) - who is familiar with the idea.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible? Have I simply missed it? If not, where does it come from and why? I would very much like to know.


Thank you for your time.

 

[Sketcher]

I recall nothing like that from Revelation or any of the New Testament.

 

[Radagast]

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched.

Movies have more of an influence than you think.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible?

No.

If not, where does it come from and why?

Several movies have the idea. I'm not sure where they got it from - but it's not from the Bible.

 

[Radagast]

Several movies have the idea. I'm not sure where they got it from - but it's not from the Bible.

It may result from a misunderstanding of 18th century and 19th century writings about the End Times.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

I know it can’t be just me, because I have had more than one person bring it up in conversation – though one person identified the sign as some children being born without souls.

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched. Even if I have, a fictional movie is hardly a good source for important information – especially biblical - and it is unlikely that I would have just accepted it as fact. However, it does show that there seems to be at least one more person - with whom I am not acquainted (the person who added this into the movie) - who is familiar with the idea.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible? Have I simply missed it? If not, where does it come from and why? I would very much like to know.


Thank you for your time.

This is not written in the bible, but the thought occurred to me in the context of spiritual warfare.

 

[Douggg]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

No such thing. However, there are verses that indicate a person can lose his/her place after this world, by not valuing their soul for the sake of gain in their life in the present world. It is saying that there are eternal consequences of how we live in this world.

Matthew 16:
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
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In contemporary language, to say some one is heartless or soul-less, is a figure of speech to mean they have no feeling or compassion of other people or animals.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

I know it can’t be just me, because I have had more than one person bring it up in conversation – though one person identified the sign as some children being born without souls.

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched. Even if I have, a fictional movie is hardly a good source for important information – especially biblical - and it is unlikely that I would have just accepted it as fact. However, it does show that there seems to be at least one more person - with whom I am not acquainted (the person who added this into the movie) - who is familiar with the idea.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible? Have I simply missed it? If not, where does it come from and why? I would very much like to know.


Thank you for your time.

No, the Bible doesn't mention "people without souls". Even more than that, no where in the Bible does it say that people "have souls", that just isn't the kind of language Scripture uses, and it's now how the biblical writers conceived of "the soul". The idea that human beings have this thing called a "soul" floating somewhere inside them, or that comprises the "real" person is entirely foreign from Scripture and historic, orthodox Christian teaching.

And if one wants to be really technical, everything that has breath has a "soul", as that's what the words translated as "soul" in the Bible mean, they mean "breath". So in Genesis chapter 2 where we read that God took a lump of dirt and breathed into the nostrils of man and man became a "living soul" the Hebrew here is "nephesh chayah", a "breathing, living creature" (nephesh means "breath" and is often rendered as "soul", chayah means "living [thing]". Likewise the Greek of the New Testament has psyche, meaning "breath", but again often rendered as "soul". In Latin we have anima, "breath", and is the basis for our English words like animal, animating, etc. And so on.

It's impossible for a person to not "have a soul", because human beings are living, breathing creatures.

The concept of "the soul" does tend to be more than mere breath though, at least in reference to human beings, as we often can find (though not in Scripture itself) the idea of the "rational soul"; in other words human beings don't simply have basic "animal life", we are creatures of mind, reason, thought, we are also creatures of moral agency and so forth. These ideas tend to get subsumed into the idea of "the soul" in typical Christian thought historically. All these things are intrinsic to human beings as human beings though: we are rational animals, we are creatures of flesh, bone, blood, with a mind, with thought, reason, intellect, consciousness, with a will, with moral agency, and the capacity to worship God. These are things innate to being human. And nobody can take that away from what it means to be human, because being human is by God's creative work, who made human beings in His image and likeness.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The bible calls the first human a living soul.

The body is a temporary dwelling.

 

[devin553344]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

I know it can’t be just me, because I have had more than one person bring it up in conversation – though one person identified the sign as some children being born without souls.

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched. Even if I have, a fictional movie is hardly a good source for important information – especially biblical - and it is unlikely that I would have just accepted it as fact. However, it does show that there seems to be at least one more person - with whom I am not acquainted (the person who added this into the movie) - who is familiar with the idea.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible? Have I simply missed it? If not, where does it come from and why? I would very much like to know.


Thank you for your time.

I think that would be technically a Zombie. But that's not a biblical reference. Cheers

 

[Anto9us]

The "souls of men" are mentioned in Revelation as a commodity that some deal with, almost as other items of merchandise.

There is no mention of "people without souls".

 

[tranquil]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

I know it can’t be just me, because I have had more than one person bring it up in conversation – though one person identified the sign as some children being born without souls.

The only mention I have found on the internet to this is in the description of an older fictional end times movie that I don’t think I have ever watched. Even if I have, a fictional movie is hardly a good source for important information – especially biblical - and it is unlikely that I would have just accepted it as fact. However, it does show that there seems to be at least one more person - with whom I am not acquainted (the person who added this into the movie) - who is familiar with the idea.

Does anyone know if this is mentioned anywhere in the Bible? Have I simply missed it? If not, where does it come from and why? I would very much like to know.


Thank you for your time.

Revelation 16:3 Interlinear: And the second messenger did pour out his vial to the sea, and there came blood as of one dead, and every living soul died in the sea.

Most translations say ‘every living thing died in the sea’ but the greek says ‘every living soul died in the sea ‘. Because it is presumably talking about the mark of the beast, the sea is the beast from the sea kingdom people. Taking the mark killed their souls.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The bible calls the first human a living soul.

The body is a temporary dwelling.

The resurrection of the body is our blessed hope.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Revelation 16:3 Interlinear: And the second messenger did pour out his vial to the sea, and there came blood as of one dead, and every living soul died in the sea.

Most translations say ‘every living thing died in the sea’ but the greek says ‘every living soul died in the sea ‘. Because it is presumably talking about the mark of the beast, the sea is the beast from the sea kingdom people. Taking the mark killed their souls.

"Every living soul" sounds like "everything that was alive" to me. That usage of "soul" to mean "life" was common in antiquity even as it is now, as we might say, "a lot of souls were lost in that accident" we mean people lost their lives, they died. We can see this usage biblically when Jesus asks, "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but forfeit his soul?" To gain the whole world but, ultimately, lose one's life in the process; compare, "Whoever seeks to gain their life shall lose it, but whoever forsakes his life shall find it". While Jesus does not mean the one who gains the whole world dies, the notion seems to be that in so doing such a person has thrown their life away to the meaninglessness of self-gain. If we are paying attention to what Jesus says, we see that consistently He teaches us that the treasures of this world are nothing, the success, the glory, the power, the wealth of this world are meaningless and true living, true life, our real treasure is found in Him and His way, to take up our cross and follow Him, to discover what true life looks like in Him by throwing ourselves away in love, service, and humility for others.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[John100]

It comes from that people become evil they don't have soul. Because the soul is something high. From her it comes the goodness and humanity.

 

[Douggg]

The resurrection of the body is our blessed hope.

-CryptoLutheran

(not disagreeing) "redemption" of the body would be more fitting because some will be alive at the time.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The resurrection of the body is our blessed hope.

-CryptoLutheran

The bible says we get new bodies when resurrected. We are not our body, but after the resurrection, that body is a reflection of who Christ is in us while we lived in this body.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The "souls of men" are mentioned in Revelation as a commodity that some deal with, almost as other items of merchandise.

There is no mention of "people without souls".

yeah the story of souls of men being bought and sold, refers to a form of slavery. The souls stay in the same place, (the body). However, the substance is used up by others - so some may act like they don't have one.

 

[The Lady Of The Lake]

Thank you for all the replies! I should clarify, just in case: this is not about folks losing their souls, this is about "people" who never had souls to begin with.

I think that would be technically a Zombie. But that's not a biblical reference. Cheers

Ooooo, good one! Though there are some stories where the undead of the day are completely sentient, most of the zombie stories out there would probably qualify... *Imagins finding this "missing" verse in the bible again* THIS JUST IN: BIBLE SUPPORTS ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE!

Actually, I never thought of it as the zombie apocalypse. When I saw it I just thought 'Oh, that makes sense in this day and age. Those soulless people are probably just androids. Hey, this means we're gonna get androids! Yay!'


I shall respond in further detail when I get more time.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I thought I read in the book of Revelation that in the end of times there would be people without souls. On going back, I cannot find this mentioned anywhere; digital Bible word searches and search engines have not yielded any such verses.

Thank you for your time.

Soul/s used in 7 verses in Revelation:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

G5590 (KJV)
Strong's Number G5590 matches the Greek ψυχή (psychē),
which occurs 105 times in 95 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV

Rev 6:9
........... G4973 I saw G1492 under G5270 the altar G2379 the souls G5590 of them that were slain G4969 for G1223 the word G3056 of God,................
Rev 8:9
And G2532 the third part G5154 of the creatures G2938 which G3588 were in G1722 the sea, G2281 and had G2192 life, G5590 died;...............

Rev 12:11
................ and G2532 they loved G25 not G3756 their G846 lives G5590 unto G891 the death. G2288

Rev 16:3
............ and G2532 every G3956 living G2198 soul G5590 died G599 in G1722 the sea. G2281
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Rev 18:13
And G2532 cinnamon, G2792 and G2532 odours, G2368 and G2532 ointments, G3464 and G2532 frankincense, G3030 and G2532 wine, G3631 and G2532 oil, G1637 and G2532 fine flour, G4585 and G2532 wheat, G4621 and G2532 beasts, G2934 and G2532 sheep, G4263 and G2532 horses, G2462 and G2532 chariots, G4480 and G2532 slaves, and G4983 bodies and G2532 souls G5590 of men. G444
[Please visit my "body eagles" thread]
"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

Luke 17:37
And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together.'

Rev 18:14
And G2532 the fruits G3703 that thy G4675 soul G5590 lusted after G1939 are departed G565 from G575 thee, G4675.........................

Rev 20:4
And G2532 I saw G1492 thrones, G2362 and G2532 they sat G2523 upon G1909 them, G846 and G2532 judgment G2917 was given G1325 unto them: G846 and G2532 I saw the souls G5590 of them that were beheaded G3990 for G1223 the witness G3141 of Jesus, G2424 and G2532 for G1223 the word G3056 of God, G2316 .........................................

 

[Anto9us]

I just don't see how there could be people that never had souls to begin with.