"Soul Ties"

[LoveJC9]

So, can someone tell me why women deal so much with soul ties, but it doesn't seem that men do?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

what's a soul tie?

 

[DougyP]

what's a soul tie?

I'm also at a loss.

 

[Revived]

So, can someone tell me why women deal so much with soul ties, but it doesn't seem that men do?

I'm not sure why Laurie but honesty, it's inconsequential. The bible gives us instruction on how to break them and move on.

For those not familiar, a soul tie is an invisible linkage of two people, usually formed through/as a result of intercourse. Because intercourse is intimate, two people become one flesh and the souls are also joined together. God made it this way because He wants them to cleave to one another in a unique way, thus causing the relationship between a husband and wife to be healthy, strong and close. He gave sex to bind them together in a marital covenant, strong enough to build a family ...

"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh." - Matthew 19:5

Sex outside of marriage also forms a soul tie and causes defilement ...

"And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her and lay with her, and violated her. His soul was strongly attracted to Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the young woman and spoke kindly to the young woman." - Genesis 34:2-3

It's common to still have feelings towards an ex-lover because the soul tie is still in place. The biblical way to break a soul tie is to repent and pray the following ...

"Heavenly Father, I confess the ungodly sexual relationship with ____ as sin. I understand that you gave sexual unity to create a holy bond between two married people. I repent for violating these laws, being rebellious in this matter and defiling myself. I bring the ungodly relationship with ____ to the cross of Jesus. I declare that I take responsibility for my actions and ask for your forgiveness. Wash me with the blood of Jesus, make me whiter than snow. Please help me to stay pure in this area."

When you have confessed, you are completely forgiven by God and cleansed. You are no longer guilty and must forgive yourself too, because Jesus has already paid for you.

 

[Im_A]

So, can someone tell me why women deal so much with soul ties, but it doesn't seem that men do?

I would first have to know how to have ties to something I don't believe in to be able to answer your question and then I would have to have a definition of 'soul ties' to even come to some grasp of the idea that you are even talking about.

 

[LadyL]

I have heard of soul ties through deliverance, from what I know both men and women have them, perhaps it's because women can tend to be more emotional than men?

 

[kevlite2020]

Going off Revived's definition, I'd say that men deal with soul ties just as strongly as women do, but just in different ways. Just because you don't outwardly see men struggling with this issue and all, doesn't mean that they are going through emotional, spiritually, and physical problems because of these ties that they have formed. I mean I know from the ties I've made with women in the past, I never seemed to react and think the way they did about it, but it still affected me in many big ways. Course I don't speak for all men, but I just think we do react to it and deal with it as much as women, it's just shown in different ways for us.

 

[Luther073082]

I don't concentrate on it because its extra biblical heresy. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about heresy.

There is nothing in the bible that supports that sexual intercourse between two people binds their souls together forever. In fact soul's can not be bound together only people can be bound together as one flesh. This is acomplished through the act of marriage.

Marriages are disolved upon the death of one spouse, and there is no marriage in heaven or after the ressurrection in the New Jerusalem. So therefore the soul's of two people can not be bound. And they are certainly not bound together by sexual intercourse.

Sexual intercourse is the physical expression of two people becomming one flesh in marriage as per God's plan. We should not express this with anyone we are not married to as it upsets God's intention for sexuality and marriage. However sexuality does not bind people, it should only be done by people who are bound to eachother.

My wife and I are not one flesh because we've had sex. We are one flesh because we took vows before the body of Christ that we would remain together as one flesh. Our unity took place upon our marriage vows, not upon our consumation of them.

 

[LoveJC9]

I don't concentrate on it because its extra biblical heresy. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about heresy.

There is nothing in the bible that supports that sexual intercourse between two people binds their souls together forever. In fact soul's can not be bound together only people can be bound together as one flesh. This is acomplished through the act of marriage.

Marriages are disolved upon the death of one spouse, and there is no marriage in heaven or after the ressurrection in the New Jerusalem. So therefore the soul's of two people can not be bound. And they are certainly not bound together by sexual intercourse.

Sexual intercourse is the physical expression of two people becomming one flesh in marriage as per God's plan. We should not express this with anyone we are not married to as it upsets God's intention for sexuality and marriage. However sexuality does not bind people, it should only be done by people who are bound to eachother.

My wife and I are not one flesh because we've had sex. We are one flesh because we took vows before the body of Christ that we would remain together as one flesh. Our unity took place upon our marriage vows, not upon our consumation of them.

Actually the bible does say that when two people have sex they become one flesh.

1 Cor 6:16 (in several translations)
1Co 6:16
(ASV) Or know ye not that he that is joined to a harlot is one body? for, The twain, saith he, shall become one flesh.
(CEV) Don't you know that a man who does that becomes part of her body? The Scriptures say, "The two of them will be like one person."
(ESV) Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two will become one flesh."
(GNB) Or perhaps you don't know that the man who joins his body to a prostitute becomes physically one with her? The scripture says quite plainly, "The two will become one body."
(GW) Don't you realize that the person who unites himself with a prostitute becomes one body with her? God says, "The two will be one."
(KJV) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
(KJV+) What?G2228 knowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 he which is joinedG2853 to an harlotG4204 isG2076 oneG1520 body?G4983 forG1063 two,G1417 saithG5346 he, shall beG2071 one(G3391) flesh.G4561
(Webster) What? know ye not that he who is joined to a harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

But, I wasn't just refering to sexual soul ties. There are other types, fyi.

 

[trentlogain2]

erwin lutzer did a series on breaking soul ties. you could look for the mp3s at www.oneplace.com

 

[Luther073082]

Actually the bible does say that when two people have sex they become one flesh.

1 Cor 6:16 (in several translations)
1Co 6:16
(ASV) Or know ye not that he that is joined to a harlot is one body? for, The twain, saith he, shall become one flesh.
(CEV) Don't you know that a man who does that becomes part of her body? The Scriptures say, "The two of them will be like one person."
(ESV) Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, "The two will become one flesh."
(GNB) Or perhaps you don't know that the man who joins his body to a prostitute becomes physically one with her? The scripture says quite plainly, "The two will become one body."
(GW) Don't you realize that the person who unites himself with a prostitute becomes one body with her? God says, "The two will be one."
(KJV) What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
(KJV+) What?G2228 knowG1492 ye notG3756 thatG3754 he which is joinedG2853 to an harlotG4204 isG2076 oneG1520 body?G4983 forG1063 two,G1417 saithG5346 he, shall beG2071 one(G3391) flesh.G4561
(Webster) What? know ye not that he who is joined to a harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

But, I wasn't just refering to sexual soul ties. There are other types, fyi.

Ok
Granted, however it does not seem to treat it as anything more then a temporary union.

But also that is the joining of the body and not the soul.

Even Gotquestions.org agrees with me on this, which is surprising given their tendency towards baptist theology.

http://www.gotquestions.org/soul-ties.html

 

[LoveJC9]

You are missing the point. I am not saying that all soul ties are bad. Also, there are soul ties that aren't sexual. From what I have been reading and listening to on soul ties you have them with your family, your friends, anyone you spend a great deal of time with who speaks into your life.

 

[Luther073082]

You are missing the point. I am not saying that all soul ties are bad. Also, there are soul ties that aren't sexual. From what I have been reading and listening to on soul ties you have them with your family, your friends, anyone you spend a great deal of time with who speaks into your life.

The only person my soul is tied to is Jesus Christ.

One may be able to argue that my soul is tied to all confessional Lutherans through the act of holy communion, which would include my wife. Although I still reject the language here as I don't see communion as that type of unity.

My soul is not in any way shape or form tied to the hetrodox members of my family and definantly not tied to the unbelivers that make up my immediate family.

I reject that my soul could in any way be tied to the hethen.

 

[LoveJC9]

A soul tie is like a linkage in the soul realm between two people. It links their souls together, which can bring fourth both beneficial results or negative results.
The positive effect of a soul tie: In a godly marriage, God links the two together and the Bible tells us that they become one flesh. As a result of them becoming one flesh, it binds them together and they will cleave onto one another in a unique way. The purpose of this cleaving is to build a very healthy, strong and close relationship between a man and a woman.
Matthew 19:5, "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh."
Soul ties can also be found in close strong or close friendships. They are not just limited to marriage, as we can see with King David and Jonathan:
1 Samuel 18:1, "And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."
The negative effect of a soul tie: Soul ties can also be used for the devil's advantage. Soul ties formed from sex outside of marriage causes a person to become defiled:
Genesis 34:2-3, "And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her. And his soul cleaved unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spoke kindly unto the damsel."
This is why it is so common for a person to still have 'feelings' towards an ex-lover that they have no right to be attracted to in that way. Even 20 years down the road, a person may still think of their first lover... even if he or she is across the country and has their own family, all because of a soul tie!
Demonic spirits can also take advantage of ungodly soul ties, and use them to transfer spirits between one person to another. I remember one young man I led through a deliverance; he was facing severe demonic visitations and torment all thanks to an ungodly soul tie. I led him to broke the soul tie, and the attacks stopped completely!
Ezekiel 23:17, "And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them."
There is more information on soul ties and how to break them in the teaching on Soul Ties.

 

[Revived]

Looks familiar ... I was in a study a while back that covered a lot of this. Thanks for the additional info!

 

[Blank123]

hmm.. if we're talking about the two souls actually being joined together i think i'd have to agree with luther that the Bible does not teach that. All it actually mentioned is two becoming one flesh, not two becoming one soul.

It sounds more like love is talking about an emotional connection to another person though rather than a literal tie joining the two souls, and I think most of us can agree there is a rather big part for emotions to play where sex is involved.Its not a sin to have an emotional connection, the context of sex though may be what makes it a sin. And in those instances you can repent of your own part in that sin and yes it is going to take some time to move on from that because you've opened yourself up to another human being in the most vulnerable way that you can.

I believe guys deal with the same emotions as women do in that regard, but because its more socially acceptable to be open with your feelings for women than men, you wouldn't see them react in the same way. That might very well explain why you see R reacting in ways that are hurtful to you. Could also be that he hasn't repented of his sin because he doesn't see it as sin, and he's just angry that you held him accountable to it.

 

[Blank123]

Genesis 34:2-3, "And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her. And his soul cleaved unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spoke kindly unto the damsel."

actually if you look at the word used for soul there in the Hebrew language, its not necessarily talking about a human soul, its talking about passion and emotion. Really what that verse means is that he felt strong passion for Dinah. The human soul *is*, to be fair, one possible definition, but the emphasis from Strongs seems to be on emotion rather than a soul.

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

its the same word used in 1 Samuel 18 as well, which makes sense. They didn't have a sexual connection, they had a close friendship and a close bond. so their emotions would be closely knit where the other was concerned.

I'd be very careful about using any source other than the Bible as your source for doctrine. This idea of soul ties isn't mentioned in Scripture, nor is the idea of demonic possession resulting from soul ties. So much of the deliverance movement is based on legalism and burden, and I would so hate to see you get involved in that.