Some people believe in a works based salvation

[JohnB445]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

Can a sinless state be achieved?

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

According to the bible this is someone who is saved, but only God can judge our heart.

We are saved by grace through faith, but made to live holy and righteous and sadly many people skip this last part

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Can a sinless state be achieved?

We can't do it on our own, but all things are possible in Christ including overcoming sin. John 14:15-18

Scripture shows us there is a people who overcome:

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Why God's commandments are so important is it reveals our sin, just like a mirror 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 Romans 3:20 and so we depend on God's righteousness Psa 119:172 and not our own. The law shows us our sin and it points us to the solution- Jesus and when we are truly sorry for sinning if we repent and confess to Jesus He will cleanse us of all sin and unrighteousness 1 John 1:9 and will give us the power to forsake our sins. John 14:15-18 What is dangerous is covering our sins Pro 28:13 and not seeking Jesus for His mercy grace and sanctification

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

We are saved by grace through faith, those with faith do good works Romans 3:31 and do everything Jesus asks of us because we love Him. 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6

 

[d taylor]

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There is no such way to receiving God's free gift of Eternal Life (salvation) by works. To receive God's free gift of Eternal Life is only by believing in Jesus.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

Can a sinless state be achieved?

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

Our faith is measured by our works. We are given a list of the fruits of His Holy Spirit. If none of these are present in one's life then I would question their salvation. Blessings.

Galatians 5:22-23​

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.​

James 2:18
But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

 

[HTacianas]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

Can a sinless state be achieved?

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

It's not merely "some people". It is the entirety of all of the Apostolic Churches. And it is that because that has been the teaching of Christianity since the beginning, and is the teaching of the new testament. Read Matthew 25:31-46 and you will see what we will be judged on.

 

[Laodicean60]

I would question their salvation

Everything you said is true. This part is the problem with a lot of us Christian today. We have our egos and judgmental attitudes toward others. If we could love our neighbors (humankind) with the fruits of the spirit as Jesus did, we wouldn't be seeing the problems we see in the world today. My attitudes toward gays, Muslims or other religions and even denominations, people of different culture and beliefs, we are so petty even what other people say or a discussion post that I read, create emotions other than the fruit of the Spirit. This is the work and for me It's HARD. Peace

 

[Studyman]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state? Can a sinless state be achieved?

According to the Scriptures, God's salvation has always been "Faith Based".

The Jesus of the Bible used children as an example of how we are to come to Him.

Matt. 18: 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

A child can be taught, corrected, admonished and chastised, and as a result they won't walk away from their parents, they don't hate their parent's instruction, and they will grow in knowledge. It's only when they stop "humbling themselves" to the instruction, correction and "instruction in righteousness" that they begin to rebel.

Paul, as an example, "Yielded himself" a servant to obey God. The Scriptures were his guide and it's a journey all of God's People engaged in from the very beginning Biblical instruction. Even Eve was sent on a journey.

Here is how Paul describes the Journey to the Body of Christ, both Jew and Gentiles, using himself as an example.

Phil. 3: 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God "in" Christ Jesus. 15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Certainly "Perfection" is the Goal, as the Jesus "of the bible" commands;

Matt. 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So, it would seem that according to Jesus and Paul, it's the Journey for perfection, that is the Narrow Path that leads to Salvation. The Christ has erased our past unrighteousness and prepared the way for repentance. It's important in my view, to let God show the way to His Salvation, through the teachers HE gave us in the Holy scriptures. Paul being one of them.

Rom. 2: 5, "revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by "patient continuance" in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Like the child learning to read, it is the "patient continuance" of the journey that brings him to the prize. And if he refuses to humble himself to his teachers, he may not get there.

In "many" of this world's religious businesses and sects, the Salvation they sell, comes with no journey. No "patient continuance" in "doing good". No "enduring to the end". A man just tells God to give him the free gift, and it is given, and nothing can take it away. I think Jesus knew this religious philosophy was coming and prepared me for it.

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Paul speaks to the same phenomenon.

Titus 1: 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

The Jesus of the Bible says;

John 6: 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And again;

John 7: 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

It is written in the Holy Scriptutres;

Is. 48: 16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. 18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

In your understanding, is this not the Same Christ who came to earth in the Person of Jesus? Are these not HIS Words.

So then, if this is the Lord who became a man, Who HIS Father, the One True God sent, shall we not believe, and become "Doers" of His Sayings as HE instructs, according to His Own Words?

But what if we hear Him, but choose not to believe His Words?

Matt. 7: 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and "doeth" them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house ( on the Journey, Yes?) and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I think the Holy scriptures answer your questions. It's not that we are not shown, it's the belief in what is shown, AKA "Faith", which is the problem.

 

[NBB]

we can't be sinless, but we must stop sinning the grave sins, the bible talks about those, it says ' don't be deceived none who practice this and this, will inherit the kingdom of God, so, we are going to have some 'dirt' in us all the time sadly, but we need to achieve stop doing the sins that separates us from God., we can't live the christian life and do those.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This scripture is a tough one for both sides of the question:

1 John 1:5-10 KJV
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you,
that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


If you claim to be perfect and have no sin: then you are a liar, deceive yourself, and his word is not in you.
OTOH, if you admit you have sin, then you should know you are in darkness and and not in fellowship with God.
First: know that this is being written to Christians, not unbelievers. The problems show, especially if you cherry-pick and do not follow the context of the passage.
The solution is realizing that if you sinned, and you confess your sin and are forgiven and cleansed, then you are no longer in sin. You then are back in fellowship with God and are in the light. These negative verses only pertain to people who have sinned, are in darkness, but still claim they are in fellowship with God. It does not pertain to you if you have confessed your sin and are now cleansed, forgiven, in the light, and in fellowship. You have nothing to confess. These folks were out of fellowship, in darkness, but claimed the did not sin to get them that way.

1 John 2:1-2 KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only,
but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[Soyeong]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

Can a sinless state be achieved?

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

In Proverbs 3:5-7, we have a choice between whether we are going to lean on our own understanding of right and wrong by doing what is right in our own eyes or wether we are going to trust God with all of our heart to correctly divide between right and wrong through obeying His instructions in all of our ways and He will make our way straight, and this is what it means to have faith. God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by obediently trusting His instructions and it is contradictory for someone to think that we should have faith in God, but not in His instructions. So when someone obeys God's instructions, then the significance is not that it is part of what they are required to have done first in order to earn their salvation as the result, but rather the significance is that they are expressing faith, and it is by that faith that we are being saved.

Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of God's instructions (1 John 3:4), so living in obedience to God's instructions through faith in Jesus is intrinsically part of the gift of him saving us from not living in obedience to God's instructions. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so again God graciously teaching us to do those works is part of the content of His gift of salvation.

In Philippians 1:6, he who began a good work in us will be faithful to complete it on the day of Christ Jesus, so we will not reach a sinless state until that day.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Can a sinless state be achieved?

God sent His Son, because we are all sinners who are unable to save them selfs. Christ paid the penalty for sin (something none of us is able to do).He purchased salvation for God's elect on the cross. He reconciles us to the Father, and is our High Priest. God alone can forgive, God alone can save.

Does the person who believed that works had nothing to do with going to heaven not make it, or is that only for the ones who lived in sin?

People who want to add works to the cross are saying that Jesus' sacrifice was not enough. There is probably nothing worse you can say to God, who gave evrything for our salvation, that it was not enough.

Lord Jesus Himself said that our salvation cannot be lost in John 6 39 'And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.'

Salvation is by grace. Grace cannot be earned, it would not be grace otherwise. People who want want to be saved by their works reject grace and Christ's perfect work on the cross and God will judge them by their works, but they will go to hell, as they rejected Jesus and His salvation.

Salvation by works is saying to God: this is what I will do to get to heaven, and you must accept me.
Salvation however does not depend on us, but God alone.

 

[com7fy8]

So what happens to the person who believes a faith based salvation, but lives a Holy righteous life, and repented of every sin and died in a sinless state?

Can a sinless state be achieved?

Well . . . what you consider to be sinless might not be.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may beome blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation," (in Philippians 2:13-16)

From this I see that arguing and complaining are wrong. And by stopping our arguing and complaining, we can "become blameless and harmless" and "without fault" right in this evil world's "crooked and perverse generation".

God says to so this; so God knows it is realistic to expect us to do this. After all, God is able to have us do what He says.

Arguing is anti-love. So, stopping our arguing comes with growing in how God's love is and has us relating. So, living sinless does not only mean not doing certain things, but we grow and mature in Jesus who has no sin plus He is perfectly kind and sensitive and tender with people, generously forgiving > so this is included in living without sin . . . "without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation".

So, we grow together in this. We can not learn to love without helping one another.

And in God's family caring and sharing love we have His holiness.

So, just avoiding sins is not enough.