Signs of the Times

[vinsight4u]

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[Douggg]

God is going to start destroying at the 7th trumpet. The two witnesses were already slain by the beast that came out of
the bottomless pit.

vinsight4u, you would be a lot better off looking at Revelation structured according to the 70th week 7 years, and the second half of the 7 years for the most part (I put those in blue below) . That's the way the chapters have been divided.

Revealing of the seven years the seals, seals 1-6 chapter 6

Revealing of the trumpet judgments, second half of the seven years chapter 7, chapter 8, chapter 9

Revealing of the seven years according to the little book chapter 10, chapter 11

Revealing of the seven years relevant to Israel chapter 12

Revealing of the second half of the seven years after the two witnesses are gone chapter 13, chapter 14

Revealing of the bowls of wrath during the second half of the seven years chapter 15, chapter 16

Revealing of the woman and the beast, and the mystery of the heads and horns chapter 17

Revealing of the judgement on Babylon the great chapter 18

Revealing of the Lord Jesus Christ's return to earth. chapter 19, chapter 20

 

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[Douggg]

Rev. 15 is not just one vision, and it has more than one set
of plagues being in control of the seven angels.
They will have a set and leave the temple in heaven. They will
go to the location of the one of the four beasts/in the east and
they are dressed in the attire to seal people.

What? No-one can understand what you are saying. <Staff Edit>

 

[Dennis1209]

That is not true. Stick to what the verses actually say. Rapture is not even written as a word...and there is no such thing as
to we will not know. Instead, we are as brethren not going to
be in darkness as to that day. We are here staying blameless
till the day of Christ. We are to be here thus for the falling away on those that loved not the truth - and the revealing of
the man of sin that sitteth in the temple of God.

We wait for the day of Christ/day of the Lord to start - and that
won't happen till after the great tribulation.
There is not even one pre or mid trib rapture verse in the
whole Bible.

Matthew 25 is about when heaven and earth shall pass away and the living - among drunkards and those that smite their
servants - will be split up into two groups. The goats/evil people of the nations - will go to the everlasting fire/lake of
fire.
This is the hour and day that not even angels know.
Angels know about the great tribulation, just look at the
last part of Daniel 12.
Daniel has gone to rest - he was told that he would.
But at the end of the 1290 days he will stand in his lot.
rise at the resurrection of the just/be rewarded

Others must wait - and not go rest/ not die and come
as living -clear to the 1335 days.
They must survive the vials of God's wrath time.
/any people that die -after the 1290 days - are lost forever

They can only rise at the resurrection to damnation.
/the lake of fire - the 2nd death
where their worm dieth not
And people will be abhorred by them even at the time of the
new earth is here. See the end of Isaiah 66.

Do a little studying on how "Rapture" was derived from the Greek word 'harpazo' [snatched up, caught up]. Or is that no such word?

My eschatology and hermeneutics are my own and not subject to argument.

 

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[Jipsah]

The third Temple will be built, and Daniel's 70th week is still future.

Hmmmm... Isn't sacrifice and oblation to cease in the 70th week? And have they not ceased? Nah, no blasphemous "3rd temple" to be built. No return of animal sacrifice, either. Read Hebrews.

 

[Douggg]

The time of reward is not until after it gets announced in the 7th trumpet
section. as in Rev. 11:18 That is after the trib is over, not in the middle of it. None of the vials are during the great tribulation.

The wicked hide in the rocks as foretold in Isaiah 2:10-12 and Isaiah 2:19-21. This event is in the 6th seal and Isaiah wrote as to He is exalted alone.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


First thing that has to be established is when the seventh angel sounds. The seventh angel announces the third woe. The only woe in Revelation following Chapter 11, is in Chapter 12, Satan cast down for the the time, times, half times. So the 7th angel sounds before then.

And please use the biblical terms. When you say "trib", that is ambiguous. Does "trib" mean the 7 years - or does it mean the great tribulation timeframe which begins when the abomination is setup to be worshiped for 1335 days, Daniel 12:11-12. Which that image is not removed until the day that Jesus returns.. The biblical term is "great tribulation"

All of the vials of wrath are within the second half of the great tribulation, during the time, times, half times that Satan is cast down restricted to earth. Provable by working back from the 7th vial, to the sixth, to the fifth, to the third, to the second , to the first.

Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

So the first vial of wrath is during the 42 months (Revelation 13:5) when the mark of the beast is required and people are worshiping the image of the beast.

 

[Douggg]

vinsight4u, is this how your post appears on your computer? Because it doesn't appear this way on mine. And your posts are so very difficult to read - I don't know if it is an issue with your computer or you are preparing your post as each sentence, and/or framents as its own line.

I reformated your post to make it readable.....

What does Rev. 8 show happens before the seven angels prepared themselves to sound? Then what happened? a set of trumpet plagues begins How does it end? with an earthquake

Before the vials can be poured out in Rev. 16 there must be another time of voices and such that reveals how this
set of plagues will end. It is shown at the end of Rev. 11. Rev. 12 was not seen next by John, but instead chapter 16
began to unfold. Before chapter 15 ends, we find that first a set of plagues must end. What set of plagues?
How did John know that a set of plagues has to end before men can enter into the temple? Here is when the seven trumpets sounded. It is not the vials full that must end, but the plagues that the angel set had when they left the temple.

the seven plagues of the seven angels till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled then chapter 16 begins
"And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour..."

But John already told us that one set of plagues was fulfilled by the end of Rev. 15. He even knew that men can enter
the temple after this set is over.

 

[Douggg]

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[daughterofthemosthigh7]

not believing in pre-trib rapture, which i do btw, does not mean you don't get to go (when the trumpet is sounded to call us up hither! ) that is if you are indeed truly saved-- just thought I'd throw that in here because of an earlier post i read seems to think otherwise-- used to believe this and its also just another lie that john hagee preaches as well. also unclear about another post i saw in here but will also say if thats truly what was being stated that serpent seed doctrine is lie of devil too.take care and rejoice/look up for our redemption draws near~ come quickly Lord Jesus, Maranatha!

 

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[DennisF]

Hello All,

I've studied and composed a rather lengthy summation of how I'm seeing things to start unfold here in the very near future. Yes, I could be way off the mark but, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what has / is transpiring.

Let me preface this article by stating I'm not dogmatic and speculating about my eschatology, though I'm becoming more convinced that “galactic aliens” will figure into the falling away and one world religion. There are thousands of years of UFO sightings but this generation is seeing and reporting a massive increase of unexplained extraterrestrial phenomenon. The very nature and history of the phenomenon, it bears the evidence of a huge delusion.

I've always been an eschatology buff and as “the signs of the times” are exponentially unfolding right before our eyes, I'm studying scripture and end-time prophesy like never before. Anxiously awaiting the very near harpazo (rapture) that can happen at any moment.

We're living in the age (last generation) where biblical last days great mysteries are being revealed to us, the Book is being unsealed. My grandfather knew his Bible much better than I do today. When he went to be with the Lord in the early 70's, I don't believe he had much of an idea of the means and technology that could usher in the One World Religion and The One World Government. Much like our thermonuclear age where a nuclear bomb would make sense describing some of the destruction the Bible predicts. A few generations ago who could have imagined what terrestrial force or device could accomplish such devastation? Not to mention bar codes, RFID chips, powerful computers and the like.

I've often pondered a number of biblical verses on end times and wondered what it meant, what and how would usher it in the New World Order, such as;

(2 Thessalonians 2: 3-4, 11) Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God…. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. (underline mine)

(Matthew 24: 24) Jesus said, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” (underline mine)

Wow, what a powerful statement! What “lie” could be so powerful that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, and who is “they” and where is that power coming from? What fantastic event(s) might occur to rapidly usher in “The Son of Perdition”?

Matthew 24: 4, “And take heed that no man deceive you”.

Based on these verses and others, I believe this falling away and strong delusions will occur suddenly, and not over a span of lengthy time, though I may be wrong and I'm not dogmatic about it. If I'm correct in my view what event(s), who and how can this possibly occur to deceive the entire world? Let's talk some conditioning.

Have you noticed all the constant UFO / alien programs on the History, Discovery, National Geographic channels and many other stations over the last five – ten years? As of a couple of years ago 72 percent of Americans believe in extraterrestrial life, 48 percent believe in UFOs, and 15 percent believe they have seen a UFO.

Not to mention the dozens of Hollywood movies dealing with space aliens, abductions, UFO'S and demonology. Could this possibly be some conditioning before the disclosure of what our government and the Vatican know?

With this in mind before we proceed, do you recall the Halloween October 30, 1938 episode of “The War of the Worlds” narrated on the CBS network by Orson Welles? The localized panic that ensued for those that tuned in late and didn't hear it was a scam? This might be beneficial to understanding any government(s) cover-up. Let's looks at some very well documented facts.

I'm sure everyone is well aware of the July 8, 1947 Roswell UFO Incident, where the government initially disclosed that it was in fact, an alien spacecraft with bodies recovered. Then within just a few hours immediately retracting their statement and claiming it was just a “weather balloon”! I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist but, even today, 68 years later, the government will not disclose its records on that incident, it's above top secret. Without going into much detail, there were many witnesses and documents that discounts the governments claims of a weather balloon. It's as if they're insulting our intelligence.

When you eliminate the hoaxes and remove all possible natural causes, surgical precise cattle mutilations beyond modern medicines ability and drained of blood, crop circles, alien abductions, and UFO extraterrestrial sightings seem to be real events. It's well documented and without going into depth, reliable credible people such as; presidents, governors, astronauts, military pilots, police, etc. have witnessed and testified to these events. Are they really real, and are they actually interplanetary space beings or evil inter-dimensional beings?

Not long ago we thought we lived in a three dimensions, length, width and height. Einstein proved that we live in at least four dimensions with the addition of time. It has been proven time is not linear, it is affected by speed, gravity and mass. It's proven that the speed of light (186,000 miles per second) has been slowing down over “time”. Think of the implications for physics of that! Particle and quantum physicists have discovered we apparently live in a universe of TEN dimensions. Just some food for thought as we continue on to the crux of the matter.

The para-physical nature of UFOs in flight would require them to be mass less. These are unrecognized dimensions beyond our three dimensional space-time domain. I believe “time” was created during the creation week for the creation, and all the heavenly host lives outside of time, another dimension with no time restraints.

Matthew 24: 37 Jesus said, “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the son of man be”.

What was the major distinction in Noah's day that caused God to destroy all of mankind?

Genesis 6: 2, 4

2. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I'm well aware of the many respected Bible scholars views for the line of Seth view (Lamech), however I'm not one of them. Without going into depth on the various biblical translations of the text and combining the 1611 KJV Bible, and the Strong's Hebrew to Greek translations of word meanings, it's readily apparent to me the “sons of God” if taken literally are fallen Angels and their offspring are the “Nephilim” hybrids (giants).

It appears that fallen angels can not only assume human form but also eat and “shed (leave) their own habitation”. Recall the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. I believe this “seed” refers to procreation and genealogical descendants.

A number of founding church fathers and first century historian Flavius Josephus held the position that angels co-inhabited with woman along with Philo of Alexandria, as did many rabbinical authorities. The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the original Hebrew Old Testament, gives support to the angelic view reading “angels of God” instead of “sons of God”.

There has always been wicked sin in the world that caused God to bring forth judgment “locally”, such as destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, but never the destruction of the earths population that the Lord regretted creating. Therefor I submit, along with the wicked sinfulness of man, the Lord destroyed the world by a global flood to destroy the Nephilim that polluted humanities genetic DNA pool. I think Noah and his immediate family were the few left that didn't have a contaminated DNA gene pool. Satan tried to corrupt the blood line of Jesus.

Recall that Noah was “perfect in his generation”. Translate the word “perfect” from the Hebrew to Greek, and you'll find it doesn't mean without sin. I take the meaning as with out blemish, his DNA was not corrupted.

An interesting side note: The Bible states the Nephilim were on the earth prior to the flood, and after that! Could it be the “sons of God” (fallen Angels) came back and restarted the whole process again to corrupt the bloodline of Christ? Or an interesting study about Noah's wicked son Ham, that his wife may have been corrupted with the corrupt Nephilim gene? Back to the topic at hand.

Some of the following excellent research and documentation material has been gleaned from excellent books such as; “On the Path of the Immortals” and “Exo-Vaticana”, by Thomas Horn & Cris Putnam. I highly recommend these well documented books and the exhaustive research that went into them.

In the interest of brevity, I'm omitting much supporting evidence and documentation. So, what could possibly happen to almost immediately usher in a One World Government and One World Religion?

Let's first looks at the worlds largest religion with well over one billion followers. I won't comment on the pagan practices, praying to Mary and the saints for intercession, cult wide child molestations, intermediaries, etc. Let's look at the Vatican.

Since Vatican II, the Catholic church doctrine has drastically changed to that of, can alien extra terrestrials be saved, and be Baptized. And that alien beings might be more moral than us and not in need of a savior. I'm not kidding, this is documented Roman Catholic scarey stuff. Let's take a look at what the Vatican and our government are involved with.

The worlds best optical telescope, the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT), is located on Mount Graham in Arizona, about eighty miles from Tucson, Arizona. Interestingly, it is owned and operated by the Vatican and NASA. Why is the Vatican so interested in aliens and outer space? The short documented answer is; they want to be the alien representative here on earth. Read on.

Here's something that should make the hair on the back of your neck stand up. There is a device installed on Mount Graham named by the Vatican L.U.C.I.F.E.R. It conveniently stands for, Large Binocular Telescope Near Infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research. It's affectionately referred to as “Lucy”i. No I'm not making this bizarre stuff up!

Here's a statement from the Vatican's top astronomer at Mount Graham.“The highest levels of Vatican administration and Geo-politics know that, now, knowledge of what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years”ii

Luke 21: 26 “Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth; for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

In addition to pestilence, famine, earthquakes, etc. Could some things coming on the earth be open demonic visitations in space craft? Could anyone's heart fail them by such a sight?

An interesting note to non-biblical prophesy that has been proved to be very, very accurate to date. In the prophesy of the pope's outlined by Saint Malachy O'morgair, known as Saint Malachy, this final pope, Cardinal Trarcisio Bertone, now Pope Francis, is the final pope and is prophesied to be the False Prophet? Based on the fact that he is the first ever Jesuit Pope elected, the history of the Jesuits and his communist views, declaring a one world government is needed and other bazaar statements, as a Pope addressing our Congress and the United Nations for the first time ever this month, and requesting a global solution to our problems, etc. I'm of the view he or his “secretary of state” only second to the Pope, is a likely candidate for the False Prophet, “maybe”? According to scripture, we will not know who the anti-Christ (in place of Christ) is until after the Rapture. I know of nothing scriptural that says the False Prophet can not be identified or revealed before the harpazo. This is just speculation of course but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...

So, once again I ask the question and postulate an educated hunch to a possible answer. What event(s) could transpire to cause a “great falling away”, a One World Religion and One World Government, all in a very brief time?

How about an alien visitation from another planet the government can't hide, and a disclosure that the governments and the Vatican were suppressing what they knew, not to panic the population?

Would these projected advanced galactic alien beings give power to a one world leader to produce signs and wonders in the heavens and on earth to deceive mankind, then demand worship? Tell us the world was seeded by them, and all kinds of lying and wondrous works manifested by the “Son of Perdition”? Would they appoint one of their own (anti-Christ), a possible hybrid Nephilim lying in wait and demand worship of him? With the events and technology unfolding the way it is, I think it might be plausible?

The Bible is very clear that there are “gates or portals” (generally mountains) the “sons of God” (fallen Angels, Demons, Spirits) use to transport between dimensions, the seen and unseen. The way I interrupt it anyway.

I believe what the world is seeing and witnessing is extra-dimensional satanic beings here to deceive the world. Projecting themselves as physical entities and conditioning and deceiving the world to believe they are extra-terrestrial, and not demonic evil at its very core.

In Christ,

Dennis


iExo-Vaticana, Cris Putnam & Thomas Horn

iiThe Art Bell Show, April 5, 1997

To another Dennis - our name comes from the French Denis which comes from the Greek Demetrius.
You cover too much interesting material in one post! I might have multiple replies to it, but I'll keep this one short.

What are ETs? They are any beings more advanced or "higher" than we are. Take them out of the bible and the book collapses. From it we know there are both good and bad ETs. A minority of them joined the Satanic rebellion, and scripture gives multiple accounts of visitations of ETs sent from Yahweh (God) in both OT and NT. So I wouldn't assume that all space aliens are evil. The "giants" (nephilim) are human-ET half-breeds, a pollution of the human genome which would undermine the whole Genesis Garden project!

Second, Malachy, bishop of Armaugh, Ireland in his "Visions of the Popes" (as it is now called) said that the Pope before the last one would be in a "short time" or his time would be cut short. Indeed, the previous Pope resigned in office and that is an exceedingly rare event for Popes. Malachy then writes (I only know the English for it) that "The last Pope is Peter the Roman". It has been pointed out that Brogolio came from the Italian Petrus Romanus family. The successor to the last Pope will be the Devil himself, as I recall. The Jesuits - the Vatican CIA - I suspect are at the top of the power pyramid of the world. They are now in full control of the Vatican. Who conducted the Black Mass at St. Peter's?

 

[Jipsah]

What are ETs? They are any beings more advanced or "higher" than we are.

Well. no. ETs, if there are any, which there is no empirical reason to believe that they do, would d simply be lifeforms originating on a planet other than the earth.

Take them out of the bible and the book collapses.

There are no "ETs" in th Bible.

From it we know there are both good and bad ETs.

Actually we have no proof of the existence of any ETs at all, good, bad, or otherwise.

A minority of them joined the Satanic rebellion

Really? Howcome? Were they bad actors all along, or did Old Nick manage to gull them into signing up with him? And how do you know this?

, and scripture gives multiple accounts of visitations of ETs sent from Yahweh (God) in both OT and NT.

Oh, so we're talking about angels and demons, not simply people from other planets. Why not say so? It's no good saying that "ETs" are angels or demons, since we have no solid reason to belive that ETs exist at all.

So I wouldn't assume that all space aliens are evil.

I have no particular reason to believe that there are any at all, so I'll withhold my judgement as to whether they're good guys o bad at least until they show up and say howdy. There was a time when many European Christians assumed that the strange lands beyond the seas were the abode of dragons and diabolical slanty-eyed humanoid demons who were the creations of Satan; "devils transmarine". Turned out they weren't demons, nor angels, just pretty much standard-issue sinners like everyone everywhere else, the ancestors of boring Hyundai-driving geekboys like me.

The "giants" (nephilim) are human-ET half-breeds,

Aha! You may have got me there! I'm biracial; with a (presumably) normal white father and a (potentially) evil alien foreign devil mom. But then, she was far from being a giant, and I always thought she was pretty. But "half breeds" like myself have traditionally been looked upon as other, haven't we? Maybe that's why your "nephilim" got such a bad rap.

a pollution of the human genome

Hmmm... OK, so first we have to assume, without evidence, that these ETs of yours exist,and then, that they are close enough to human genetically that they can produce offspring together. That's kind of a stretch, innit? I've never seen any reason to believe that an angel and a human being can produce offspring, or anywhere in Scripture that says that they can.

which would undermine the whole Genesis Garden project

Genesis Garden project? An experiment that God was conducting? And all this time I thought He was omniscient; but I'm just a silly foreign devil, after all, maybe just a pollution of the human genome.

The successor to the last Pope will be the Devil himself, as I recall.

Aha again! The Rascally Catholics, the Secret Tools of Satan! Sure, I mean, why not? After all, they're Not like Us, kinda like us human/ET hybrids.

The Jesuits - the Vatican CIA - I suspect are at the top of the power pyramid of the world.

Sure they are, because Catholics bad!

Who conducted the Black Mass at St. Peter's?

I'll bite, who?

 

[DennisF]

Well. no. ETs, if there are any, which there is no empirical reason to believe that they do, would d simply be lifeforms originating on a planet other than the earth.

There are no "ETs" in the Bible.

If it suits you better, substitute for "ETs" words used in Bible translations like "angels", "cherubim", "nephilim", etc. I don't find any conceptual difference between the meanings of these biblical words and the contemporary use of the word "ET". Do you suppose that angels could not be ETs?

Actually we have no proof of the existence of any ETs at all, good, bad, or otherwise.

Who is "we"?

Really? How come? Were they bad actors all along, or did Old Nick manage to gull them into signing up with him? And how do you know this?

This is beside the point of the existence of ETs (angels). I am not given to such speculation. Scripture is clear in talking about "the Devil and his angels". Do some Bible research.

Oh, so we're talking about angels and demons, not simply people from other planets.

What makes you think that "angels and demons" are not "from other planets"? This is the key assumption in your response. Note that it is an assumption.

Why not say so? It's no good saying that "ETs" are angels or demons, since we have no solid reason to beli[e]ve that ETs exist at all.

Presumption on your part. If you have a case to make against the existence of ETs then make it. So far you are merely scoffing.

I have no particular reason to believe that there are any at all, so I'll withhold my judgement as to whether they're good guys o bad at least until they show up and say howdy.

You're not withholding judgement; in the previous statement you positively denied the existence of ETs.

There was a time when many European Christians assumed that the strange lands beyond the seas were the abode of dragons and diabolical slanty-eyed humanoid demons who were the creations of Satan; "devils transmarine". Turned out they weren't demons, nor angels, just pretty much standard-issue sinners like everyone everywhere else, the ancestors of boring Hyundai-driving geekboys like me.

Is this your best argument you can make against the existence of ETs?

Aha! You may have got me there! I'm biracial; with a (presumably) normal white father and a (potentially) evil alien foreign devil mom. But then, she was far from being a giant, and I always thought she was pretty. But "half breeds" like myself have traditionally been looked upon as other, haven't we? Maybe that's why your "nephilim" got such a bad rap.

Hmmm... OK, so first we have to assume, without evidence, that these ETs of yours exist,and then, that they are close enough to human genetically that they can produce offspring together. That's kind of a stretch, innit? I've never seen any reason to believe that an angel and a human being can produce offspring, or anywhere in Scripture that says that they can.

There is much more than that you've never seen! Do you ever read the Bible? Genesis 6?
The scriptures on multiple occasions have humanoids appear - to Abraham, to Peter in prison, to Daniel along the canal. Doesn't it occur to you that if these beings are morphologically so similar to human beings that they are called that in scripture that they might just be genetically compatible?

Genesis Garden project? An experiment that God was conducting? And all this time I thought He was omniscient; but I'm just a silly foreign devil, after all, maybe just a pollution of the human genome.

Omniscience is an "infinity-word" from Greek philosophy, not from the Hebrew way of thinking found in scripture. "Experiment" is the wrong word. When we do product design in engineering, we are not merely "experimenting". Try a different word.

Aha again! The Rascally Catholics, the Secret Tools of Satan! Sure, I mean, why not? After all, they're Not like Us, kinda like us human/ET hybrids.

Sure they are, because Catholics bad!

Get lost.

 

[DennisF]

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Just as profound in its succinctness as post # 41!