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Should crucifixes/crosses be used in Halloween decorations?

MoonLancer

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You, always confused, are mistaken on every account.
well i can tell you one thing. I am not confused that Christianity is not Jesus. you seem to be. Unless you address specific claims i have made, i will not address this one. There really is no point.

The horrible things that you blame on Christianity as a whole, should be targeted toward those people, those governments, who acted ungodly.
normally yes, but Christianity is in the position it is in now because of its past actions.


Christ didn't do those things...people did. Again, every government has manipulated its people by using their beliefs to accomplish its political goals. Why don't we talk about the Chinese? What about Hitler? What about the Ottoman Empire? That's just the way people are.
are you admitting that Christianity is as corrupt as any government or gorup of people who wish to control its people?

Oh this is a christian forum. So i talk about Christianity. I talk about the other topics you bring up not just here. Your persecution complex is showing, trying to dismiss my argument by trying make it seem like people only think Christianity is bad and give all other forms of corruption some kind of pass. well that's not true.

People, not God. People, not Jesus. What did Jesus do?
Did i attack Jesus? what did Jesus do? its hard to know, seeing as how theirs not much evidence for his existence. But i don't think you meant that did you?

Did he do anything violent, to anyone? The only account I can recall, is that he turned over some tables, because (again) people were manipulating others based on their faith to gain monetary wealth.
turning over tables seems to be something someone does out of anger. anyway you cant hide Christianity behind Jesus. Jesus is not Christianity.
 
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well i can tell you one thing. I am not confused that Christianity is not Jesus. you seem to be. Unless you address specific claims i have made, i will not address this one. There really is no point.

normally yes, but Christianity is in the position it is in now because of its past actions.


are you admitting that Christianity is as corrupt as any government or gorup of people who wish to control its people?

Oh this is a christian forum. So i talk about Christianity. I talk about the other topics you bring up not just here. Your persecution complex is showing, trying to dismiss my argument by trying make it seem like people only think Christianity is bad and give all other forms of corruption some kind of pass. well that's not true.

Did i attack Jesus? what did Jesus do? its hard to know, seeing as how theirs not much evidence for his existence. But i don't think you meant that did you?

turning over tables seems to be something someone does out of anger. anyway you cant hide Christianity behind Jesus. Jesus is not Christianity.

Jesus is not Christianity? Are you kidding? How sad. How could you think the way you do? How can you be so angry, and so doubtful, and so misled? I pray for you. There's no point in arguing with you for the sake of arguing. Many Christians quote things out of the Bible to try and convince non-believers (why, I don't know, because those they are trying to help do not believe in the Bible). Others will condemn and shout at them, saying they are stupid and are going straight to hell (not very comforting, is it?).
All Christians aren't conquerors, just like all Muslims aren't murderers. Why haven't you mentioned anything I have said about all religions; all governments? Because its true? Because you just have a grudge against Christians? Why not hold a grudge against those who manipulated the people based on their faith, or against the governments who committed atrocities? I am not here to defend the Christian religion, and certainly not what has been done throughout history, but what Jesus said is true, and what he taught is what Christianity is.
I am no better than you, I am not some great and wondeful person. I say that because I wanted you to know that I am not putting myself above you or anyone else. I am just a person that will be praying for you.
 
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For those of you who have not gone to college or have been out for a while, I have made a "career" out of going to college, and have noticed the change there as well. Now, in 2009, many, many professors at major universities are claiming that Christianity is a myth. I quote one professor as saying the "mythical garden of Eden," and "mythical beings such as angels." Someone please tell me how this type of "teaching" is respectful of all cultures and religions? They don't dare say those things about Islam or the Koran, they don't dare say that Muhammed maybe didn't even exist, or that Islam is a myth. This type of liberal disrespect and hypocracy literally makes me sick when I think about it, but I digress.
i have to wonder how truly knowledgeable about college subjects you really are, if you don't have a clue what a myth or mythology means outside of a colloquial use of the words.
myths in the context of say a professor talking about angels or eden doesn't mean a lie. calling something a myth doesn't have anything to do with its truth value at all.
a myth is just a story, or as wiki put it - a myth is conventionally defined as a sacred narrative explaining how the world and humankind came to be in their present form
being offended by biblical stories being called myths is just silly if the teacher is a folklorist or religious teacher

The point is that when we mix real religious symbols with deep significance with childish, fun time decorations, are we not sending a message that the cross also does not have real meaning? Isn't it like saying the cross is just a toy, to be used as decoration?
can't you say that about any symbol really? or how the symbol is used in day to day life?
what i mean is this; does it offend you that they mass market the cross on everything? from food to tee-shirts to bumper-stickers?
how does crass commercialization keep a symbol "holy"? i've seen some very crass things before exploiting christian symbols, not including the jesus fish magnets.
some genius came up with chocolate crosses! even as an atheist i found that a bit off-putting, who would want to eat a chocolate torture device:doh:

An alternative point of view might be that by placing crosses in, say, a cemetery scene, that we are reminded that although Halloween is just a fun little "scary" holiday, that there is good, and there is God, and that we should embrace the using of crosses in such lawn decor, as it exposes those Trick-or-Treaters or passersby to the crucifix, which they may not see or think about at other times.
uh what? they already have crosses in cemeteries, they are staples of cemetery scenes. mostly because people would have crosses in cemeteries, and cemeteries are creepy.
i know that historically christians started out using the fish as a symbol to represent "fishers of men" and it was common around them, since other religions used it as well. then when they could openly call themselves christians they used the cross to represent overcoming death, as jesus did.

I know this seems strange, and is the reason I've made this post, but why would I, as a Christian, want crosses to NOT be used in Halloween decorations. Does anyone else understand this? The cross to me is just too sacred to set up alongside Casper, for the entertainment of kids wanting candy. I would like to read some good discussion about this, as I do see the validity in both arguments.

Any thougts? -LBrize
i'm afraid you are simply over reacting, the cross isn't used by itself as a decoration at all.
as i said the only reason people have crosses on anything is because crosses tended to be in a place that is scary and spooky to people

namely cemeteries, people since the the early part of christianity have marked in someway the dead with a cross.
there are ossuaries found with crosses marked in charcoal from pompeii and other places.
its common to find massive crosses in ireland, england, and scotland and other places around the world.
the reason you don't see the cross very many places other than churches or related places, such as cemeteries is because people don't want to be reminded of being mortal or of death.
the cross has been regulated to a symbol dealing with death more often than to life, because you tend to not contemplate such important matters in your day to day life.
only when you attend church or are worried about your own life or others.

i suppose it also has to do with the fact that to conserve land, and to make it more convenient as well as fitting more people churches also had the grave yard around them.
this also made it more likely that the berried had crosses planted above them.
 
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Title Subject said:
Should crucifixes/crosses be used in Halloween decorations?


God's fairly smart -- He knows the difference between decoration/fun (along with the fact that 99.98% of people mean no harm by it), and serious business. I have no issues with it.
 
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Jesus is not Christianity? Are you kidding? How sad.
Surly you can see the difference between a leader from the organization he leads. Jesus is NOT Christianity by its very definition.

How could you think the way you do? How can you be so angry, and so doubtful, and so misled? I pray for you.
I'm angry? keep telling yourself that. In your heart and mind i must be misled to come to the conclusions that i have. I cannot be normal or rational.

There's no point in arguing with you for the sake of arguing. Many Christians quote things out of the Bible to try and convince non-believers (why, I don't know, because those they are trying to help do not believe in the Bible). Others will condemn and shout at them, saying they are stupid and are going straight to hell (not very comforting, is it?).
meh.
All Christians aren't conquerors, just like all Muslims aren't murderers. Why haven't you mentioned anything I have said about all religions; all governments? Because its true?
I have already said Christianity is no different then other religions and governments and is just as easily corruptible by man. I don't know if that's something you want to admit to though. It means its not really effective.

Because you just have a grudge against Christians? Why not hold a grudge against those who manipulated the people based on their faith, or against the governments who committed atrocities?
many of them happen to be Christians. does that bother you?

I am not here to defend the Christian religion, and certainly not what has been done throughout history, but what Jesus said is true, and what he taught is what Christianity is.
what you actually seem to be doing is using Jesus as a shield against criticism and then when that doesn't work disowning the Christians that cast shadows and doubt on Christianity.
I am no better than you, I am not some great and wonderful person.
You can think what you will of yourself, but I am quite convinced I am a great and wonderful person. I don't need a religion to tell me so or to tell me otherwise. as both seem to be common in Christianity.

I say that because I wanted you to know that I am not putting myself above you or anyone else. I am just a person that will be praying for you.
while that's a kind gesture, prayer does not effect or influence causality or chance. I would much rather you read and learn all you can. Knowledge makes this world a better place.

we are way off topic. sorry.
 
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