Should Christians avoid organic foods?

[Desk trauma]

In fact, I find moral fault with those who want to engineers ways by which we chemically and genetically grow and/or modify our food sources in ways that are not in line with the typical structures of nature.

If this is your objection your argument is against agriculture it self regardless of what kind of seed or pesticide is used.

 

[Desk trauma]

I don't think the answer to global hunger is to reduce the standard of living of us meat-eaters. Besides the efficacy of animal manures as fertilizer cannot be overstated.

It can and is. The carrying capacity of the agriculture system and struggle to find enough organic sources of fertilizer prior to the arrival of the Haber–Bosch process is testament to that.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

If this is your objection your argument is against agriculture it self regardless of what kind of seed or pesticide is used.

What portions of what I have said are specifically "against" agriculture in your opinion? What do you think I mean when I say, "to engineer ways ... not in line with the typical structures of nature."

I would think that it's kind of difficult to assess just how I might be "against" agriculture if what I have stated thus far isn't likely to be so clear to everyone.

Regardless, my primary aim is to imply some grievance toward companies (or "scientific" practices) that are reflective of Monsanto's methods/practices.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Like many other posts, this is the frequently accepted 'spin'/ "party line" used
to deceive the public and to deceive even the believers in Jesus if it were possible.

Organic farming is less productive than conventional farming, requiring more land and labor for smaller yields. It also increases the cost of food substantially.

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People are much more poor, in health and other, because of the "5 white poisons" used since before WWII.......
Many become bankrupt, or sick and dead, because of them.

Of course this is bad for the poor of the world who need more, and cheaper, food.

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Everyone would do well to seek the Truth, and keep seeking the Truth.
Do not "go along" with the world/ beast/ deceptive system, ever. Do not accept it, and if still "in it", come out of her, "my people" ......

So, should Christians avoid organic foods in favor of conventionally produced foods?

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[Desk trauma]

What portions of what I have said are specifically "against" agriculture in your opinion?

Nothing about the agriculture system "is in line with typical natural structures". Every food plant we eat has little or no resemblance to its natural ancestors and there is nothing less natural than a monoculture.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It can and is. The carrying capacity of the agriculture system and struggle to find enough organic sources of fertilizer prior to the arrival of the Haber–Bosch process is testament to that.

A process driven by the need to produce the wrong kinds of foods for an overpopulated world, and to fulfill the desire to make life easier for a lazy, ignorant population. Chemicalized agriculture is arguably the greatest man made disaster in the history of the world.

 

[RDKirk]

I don't think they can genetically modify foods, it's a hoax to get the masses to believe they can "create" and "patent" life and to control food supply. For an example, Monsanto can sue organic farmers into oblivion due to cross pollination.

Genetically modified food is not a hoax, it's a real thing and because it's a real thing, Monsanto is, indeed able to sue farmers that don't use its seed. It's specifically because the Monsanto seed has an identifiable genetic marker that their lawsuits present a risk.

Remember that Monsanto is not primarily a grain company. Monsanto is a chemical company. When I was a kid, Monsanto was known for vinyl flooring.

Monsanto makes pesticides and herbicides--chemicals to kill stuff. That is their primary business. They genetically engineer grain that can specifically resist their herbicides and pesticides. And because "life finds a way," when pests and weeds evolve to resist Monsanto chemicals, Monsanto develops a new type of -icide and a new strain of grain that can resist it.

So once Monsanto gains control, they keep control in an iron grip.

 

[Open Heart]

Much of our farmland is "addicted" to these chemicals. It would take years to return to sensible farming practices.

How can farmland be "addicted" to chemicals?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How can farmland be "addicted" to chemicals?

Chemicals kill the soil life. Minerals like potash and phosphorus are treated with acid to make them water soluble. The acid kills microbes necessary for natural fertility and plant health. Thus the soil needs these fertilizers in order to produce a crop. In fact it is the initial death, decomposition, and absorption of these microbes that gives 'first time' fields a large boost in production; production that declines quickly in subsequent years requiring yet more chemicals.

If the chemicals are suspended little will grow on land so treated, although coarse grasses and weeds will likely appear; nature's healing process. Once the natural fertility is lost it isn't easily restored.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And you believe this is a hoax based on what?

His own beliefs, ironically.

 

[Desk trauma]

A process driven by the need to produce the wrong kinds of foods for an overpopulated world, and to fulfill the desire to make life easier for a lazy, ignorant population. Chemicalized agriculture is arguably the greatest man made disaster in the history of the world.

Im sorry it has cut off your malthusian desires.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Im sorry it has cut off your malthusian desires.

Malthus didn't 'desire' that the world starve, nor do I. Nor did he envision today's agriculture, which certainly set the doomsday clock ahead for a time......time that is running out, again.

 

[FireDragon76]

Inasmuch as Christians in the west aren't buying up all that cheap food and sending it to those starving people anyway, it makes no difference.

I don't think the additional processing and chemicals have zero biological effect, and the concept of "organic food" covers a wide range of commercial practices, some of which are not disputable.

It's been shown, for instance, that genetically modified soy has less flavanoids- chemicals thought to be responsible for many of the health benefits of soy.

 

[FireDragon76]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/

Soils today are often depleted, and farmers are growing crops based on yield more than their nutritional value, so crops have less vitamins and minerals as a result.

 

[Open Heart]

Chemicals kill the soil life. Minerals like potash and phosphorus are treated with acid to make them water soluble. The acid kills microbes necessary for natural fertility and plant health. Thus the soil needs these fertilizers in order to produce a crop. In fact it is the initial death, decomposition, and absorption of these microbes that gives 'first time' fields a large boost in production; production that declines quickly in subsequent years requiring yet more chemicals.

If the chemicals are suspended little will grow on land so treated, although coarse grasses and weeds will likely appear; nature's healing process. Once the natural fertility is lost it isn't easily restored.

I don't know if insecticides kill nutrients -- nutrients are basically chemicals, so there is nothing to kill. The "addiction" you describe is myth.

What gets rid of the nutrients is growing the same crop over and over on the land, and plowing the field in such a way that water causes the top soil to erode.

1. Change plowing techniques
2. Rotate crops
3. Add fertilizer if necessary

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't know if insecticides kill nutrients -- nutrients are basically chemicals, so there is nothing to kill. The "addiction" you describe is myth.

What gets rid of the nutrients is growing the same crop over and over on the land, and plowing the field in such a way that water causes the top soil to erode.

1. Change plowing techniques
2. Rotate crops
3. Add fertilizer if necessary

I sense the NPK mentality.

Of course overcropping, especially grains, will reduce the soil fertility, thus the addiction to chemicals.

 

[durangodawood]

Malthus didn't 'desire' that the world starve, nor do I. Nor did he envision today's agriculture, which certainly set the doomsday clock ahead for a time......time that is running out, again.

Sounds like youre coming around to the idea that Christians (and everybody else) should get on board with organic farming asap so we can get back on a sustainable track.

 

[RDKirk]

Sounds like youre coming around to the idea that Christians (and everybody else) should get on board with organic farming asap so we can get back on a sustainable track.

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. Mark 16

This is an interesting and unique verse. There are several passages where Jesus commands His followers to preach the gospel to all people and all nations.

But as shown, the proper translation of this verse is "all creation"--everything that God has created, not just people.

Does this mean walking up to a tree and reciting John 3:16? Of course not. But it does mean looking at creation--the planet--and treating it as something that Jesus has also brought to redemption:

For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. -- Romans 8

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sounds like youre coming around to the idea that Christians (and everybody else) should get on board with organic farming asap so we can get back on a sustainable track.

I've always advocated sensible agriculture. However with today's population to feed it just isn't feasible. Anyway it's not possible anyway as it would require thought, hard work, and patience; qualities in rather short supply in today's population.

 

[AnnaDeborah]

If people didn't waste enormous quantities of food, we could easily grow enough organically to feed everyone. Organic growing also provides more employment since more manual work is involved, and it is better for the overall environment.

I agree that research shows no marked nutritional difference between conventional and organically grown crops, but I have noticed that the shelf life for organic produce is much shorter. So I do wonder if the chemicals involved in conventional growing are having a life-prolonging effect on the crops...which raises concerns for me.