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Shortened Days of the Tribulation

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Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

"Those days" are the days of this tribulation. If God did not shorten the time and reign of the Antichrist, no man in the flesh body would be spiritually saved, and not deceived by Satan the Antichrist. Daniel told us in Daniel 9:27 that this time of the Antichrist, the desolator, was one half of one week of years. That is one half of seven years, and it has been shortened to five [5] months.

Revelation 9:5; "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man." God lets us know not only that it will be five months, but that it will be specific five months. It will be the five months of the locust. May through September.

When someone tells you that you will fly out of here, and not be on the earth where this happens, they just show you their stupidity, and lack of the knowledge of God's Word. See them for what they are, they are preparing you for the onslaught of the locust army of fallen angels, and Kenite teaching. Do you take their word over the Word of Almighty God.

Ephesians 6 tells us the purpose that God's elect will be on earth, and it will be to fight against Satan, and those wicked spiritual powers. That is why you need the spiritual armor on and in place, for the warfare will be a spiritual battle, fought will words and ideas, it will be fought with the very word of God, for Satan will twist that Word, to make it a lie, when he and his forces use it against you.

"Events of the Fifth Trumpet"

In the eighth chapter we opened the final seal, and four trumpets were blown. Though the seals are not in order as they are numbered, the trumpets are. The trumpets are sounded to alert the people on the earth that a certain event, or happening is about to start. God is in control of all actions in these final days, and God is even using Satan to carry out part of His plan. If we are in Christ, regardless what Satan does in his roll as the Antichrist, those sealed in their minds are given victory over the Antichrist, if they but take it.

When you understand what Jesus Christ is telling you in this ninth chapter, it will become clear to you that you simply do not have to take part in that system of Satan's. You don't even have to plan an attack against Satan [the Antichrist], for in that hour you will be called to give account for your belief in Jesus Christ. Jesus said in Mark 13:11 it will be the Holy Spirit that will speak through you. Your not even to think about it in advance.

When the third trumpet sounded, we observed the "star" called "wormwood"; and saw how he would turn many waters, or people of all the world to his bitterness [wormwood], or world system. That one world system has formed, and is now tightening it's grip daily on every nation on the face of this earth. The third trumpet is current affairs on the news daily.

Then the fourth trumpet sounded and the clouds darkened, and only a third of the signs and symbols that will be present at Jesus Christ return, started to occur. When we observe the world today, and the signs even within our nation, community, and homes; it becomes very plain that these events of the signs and symbols are here, right now. The four hidden dynasties have taken control of the our lives, and that of our nation. Those hidden dynasties are education, economics [commercial, industrial, and banking], politics, and religion. Satan's kids, the Kenites, are using these signs of the end times announcing our Lord's return, to deceive the world, and prepare the way for the false Christ, "Antichrist". This period we are in is a test by God, to see how many of His children have read his letter [the Bible] to them.

Revelation 9:1 "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit [pit of the abyss]."
The "star" that falls to the earth is the star of Isaiah 14. The star is "Lucifer", who will be the Antichrist once he arrives on earth. Satan is given the key, or authority to the bottomless pit, for this is where Satan's fallen angels are held.
Satan is to be God's executioner of God's divine wrath that is to be poured out upon the earth. God is going to give Satan the right to have his way with all who are blind to God's Word.

Remember, God removed the wall of protection around Job; for Satan. The only stipulation God gave Satan was that he was not allowed to take Job's life. Job had the will; Satan did the testing, and God allowed it. This is an example of what is to happen in these end times; and that is why we must be ready, and with our spiritual armor on.
Right now, today, Satan is not in that bottomless pit, but in heaven. He is the accuser of the saints before the throne of God. The fallen angels are in the pit, or the abyss. The pit is not a place, or location, but a point of degradation. It's a similar statement to Satan being told he would always crawl on his belly, as the serpent. No Satan never became a snake, but he was a deceiver and his actions were as that of a snake.

Revelation 9:2 "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit."

This is the pit that holds every evil spirit that is on the earth and in God's confinement. This smoke comes from the pit, and it darkens, not eliminates the sun and air. When Jesus Christ returns the sun, moon and stars are eliminated. This darkening is talked about in Revelation 8:12, where one third of visibility is gone, at the sounding of the fourth trumpet.

This smoke is setting up the people of the earth for the supernatural things about to happen. Just like in Job's case, God will set limits how far Satan can go. What is important to us, as Christians; is that we be able to identify Satan, and his works, by what ever roll he plays, or name he choses for himself.

Revelation 9:3 "And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power."

This locust army that comes upon the earth is Satan's army of demonic forces. They are the fallen angels, and demons, both coming with Satan, and those that are already here upon the earth.

The "power" in the Greek, is "exousia"; it means "authority", or delegated power by God to them. It is the right to carry out the wrath of God, in His [God's] behalf. When they strike, or exert their power on the deceived, it is a spiritual power, as we see in Ephesians 6:10-20. This is because we are in a spiritual battle against Satan and His forces.

If you are looking for bombs to fall, fire from heaven, or as such, you will be misled. In a spiritual sense, their striking will be deadly; spiritual deadly, for they will exert their authority in the same manner as a scorpion renders it's prey harmless and defenseless. We will discuss this later.

Revelation 9:4 "And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads."

God will not allow any physical damage to any part of the earth. Not the grass, trees, or any physical matter you can think of. This is a spiritual warfare, and it is a battle for the minds of men and the commitment of their souls to him. God is very specific as to what they can do. Their targets are only the people; The "Anthropos" in the Greek, the individuals of man, not any animal, and only those "that have not the seal of God in their foreheads".

What is in your forehead? It's your brain, of course. As we saw in earlier chapters, the "seal of God", is "knowledge" that is contained in His Word, the Scriptures. God want all of His children to know what He intends to do, and it is because of this that John was brought to the "Day of the Lord" by Jesus, and told to write it down. God has also given us many prophets, and the writings of His Apostles in the New Testament. There is nothing that is going to happen that God has not told us in His plan [the Bible].
Remember in the seventh chapter, the angel said stop, don't let this come to pass until we have sealed the 144,000 in their foreheads. Well, this locust army troops of demons can't start their spiritual destruction until the last of the elect, or chosen of God, and the 144,000 children of God are sealed in their minds. In this fourth verse, they are on the earth, which means you had better be sealed with the knowledge by the time of this prophecy. This knowledge has not started to this date in time.

The limits that God puts on the fallen angels, and demonics, fully protects God's chosen. The "Chosen" are all Christians who know the truth and are ready, watching, and have their spiritual armor of Ephesians 6:10-20 on. The Chosen can observe and identify the events of the final day when those events come to pass, as they stand against the fiery darts of Satan.

In fact the first time Satan strikes out at two of God's children [the two witnesses], God's wrath boils over, and that marks the end of the Antichrist's [Satan's] rule on earth. That will be discussed in chapter eleven. How far then can Satan go with the others, the non-elect, or those not sealed in their minds?
 
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Revelation 9:5 "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man."

God has given us a good clue as to how long Satan will rule as Antichrist. That time is five months. The book of Joel describes in detail how this method of the locust works. The result of that torment is exactly as the torment of the scorpion that "striketh a man". So lets try to understand more of both the locust, and the scorpion.
This is that locust army of Satan that will deliver up the sons and daughters to prophecy against the Antichrist, as spoken of in Joel 2, and also by Peter in Acts 2. What these sons and daughters say will only be those words that the Holy Spirit speaks through them.

Joel said this locust army would march forward, and not miss a stride. Remember, it's not "locust" but men, and the battle which this army enters is a spiritual battle, where the victory is in their deception. Their battle cry is with words like love, joy, peace, brotherhood, equality, and a mixture of words promising peace and prosperity. In the Antichrist rule [the five months] everyone will be satisfied, as long as they continue to yield to this Antichrist.

The time "locust" has four stages, as stated in Joel 1. The part of the locust that exists in the swarming stage is five months. That five months staging period is always between May and September; so God is even giving us the season, or time frame when Antichrist will appear. And by that season, we have an hint of when the seventh trumpet will sound, and Jesus Christ will appear. However that instant is known only to the Father.

Jesus warned that "we pray that ye not be taken out of season", in Mathew 24:20, and Mark 13:18. This is to alert us that being taken out of season means we have been deceived and fallen for the wrong Christ [Antichrist]. The Antichrist will rule between Passover, and the feast of the tabernacles [trumpets].

Why then the torment as that of a scorpion? This locust army will use the same methods a scorpion uses to attack it's prey and render it's prey harmless, during this five months period. Satan and his locust army will not be in any special form, but will appear exactly as a man, as we do. Satan was in the form of a man in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve, and his fallen angels appeared as men in Genesis 6:1-8, when they married the daughters of men and had "children" [Nephelim] by them.
The scorpion has a tail with a stinger in the tail. When they strike their prey, he sneaks up to it's prey and infects it's poison into the victim. Near it's mouth, it has a set of pinchers where it latches on to it's victim and pulls it to it's mouth. This is important, because the scorpion has no stomach, so it cannot digest it's own food within itself. Therefore the scorpion stings with the poison of it's tail to paralyze the victim, and then it vomits it's digestive juices [acids] into the body of the victim, then the victim's skin and body actually become the scorpion's stomach.

The acids turn everything it touches into mush. Then the scorpion inhales the mush from the victim's body and is gone. The victim is left defenseless from the beginning of the scorpion's strike, because the poison from the tail rendered the circulatory system and nervous system totally paralyzed, while the digestive acids turned the body to mush. Once stung by a scorpion, instantly you have no defense. You can't fight, run, or even think. You lay helpless to the devouring process of the scorpion.

Now that we see how the scorpion attacks, and the methods used by them; let's apply their methods, to Satan and that of this locust army. Satan and his army of fallen angels will take the lies [traditions] within your religion, and the false teaching that you believe to be true; and use it against you. All religions, Christian and otherwise, will be approached on the level and beliefs of their own understanding. They will use the doctrines of their choosing, and through that, the spiritual darts of lies and deception will come.

Like the scorpion uses your body for it's battle, and attack, so the angels of the locust army [not human] will use your mind as it's battleground. That is why you must be sealed in your mind [see verse 4] and with the proper armor on, which again is in Ephesians 6:10-20. Your battle is a spiritual one with the king of all demons, Satan, and he is ready for you.

The Antichrist has the authority from God, and the right to do business on earth, from the giver of all authority. He knows all your weaknesses, and he knows the Word as well as any theologian. Satan is set to do battle in your mind; and if your relying on false doctrine; like the rapture theory, your gone before the battle starts. If Revelation is still a mystery to you, you don't have a prayer of a chance.
You are about to go against the master of all deception, and the truth of God's word is the only thing Satan can't fight against. That is because the truth written in God's Word sets the limits God placed upon him as the Antichrist. How are you doing, friend?

The great apostasy is now taking place, and well underway. It is being put in place by Satan's kids, the "Kenites", doing the interpretation of God's Word for you if you allow them. They have a club, and it is easy to join; you just accept their dogma. Part of it is given through the "World Council of Churches", and the other parts are in any church that allows it's doctrine to vary even the slightest into false teaching.
Remember, only the "sealed of God", in your mind will allow your escape from all of the Antichrist's deceptions.

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Again,just sharing,but willing to discuss............
 
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When someone tells you that you will fly out of here, and not be on the earth where this happens, they just show you their stupidity, and lack of the knowledge of God's Word.
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Except those days be shortened - is just saying that the length of time will be limited, otherwise all life on earth would be wiped out.
 
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Except those days be shortened - is just saying that the length of time will be limited, otherwise all life on earth would be wiped out.


Has nothing to do with physical life,it's all about deception...satan dos'nt want your flesh,he wants your soul,to parrish along with his....

Matthew 10:28"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
 
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The "days of tribulation are shortened" means: there are 2 days/ years (up to 2.5 days / years ) of tribulation, then there is the "day of the Lord" that comes to round out the 3.5 years/ the last year of the tribulation. "After 3.5 days the 2 witnesses are raised up and live in His sight."

There is no shortening of the tribulation beyond this. The "5 months" of Trumpet 5 refers to the Day of the Lord (the last year of the 3.5 year trib) + the 7 months of cleaning up after the Gog war (Ezek 39:12)(which means the Gog war is the middle of the 7 year trib (but there might be up to 10 years of trib). Also - Trumpet 5 is part of the Gog war.

The "2 sticks" prophecy/ Dry bones prophecy in Ezek 37 is where the "mortal head wound is healed" - Apostate Israel rejoined to Judea to have 1 head. This head is "David the servant"/ "Michael" in Daniel 12 aka the prince of the covenant. "David" kills Gog in the Day of the Lord by calling down fire (Rev 13) and dies at the end of it. When he is "resurrected", he is the False Prophet with 2 horns (for Israel and Judea) who goes into the temple to call himself god. This False prophet has 1260 days given to him during the wrath of God/ 7 bowls of wrath.
 
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Hi n2thelight,

I believe that doug is correct. We would have written the passage as: except that those days be cut short.

The Antichrist will rule and reign over the earth and under his rule there will be great persecution and tribulation for God's children. However, God is going to command from heaven that the time is now at hand and send His Son to gather the grapes of his harvest. We will be removed from the earth as God then sends the second angel who harvests those remaining on the earth and throw them into the great winepress of God's wrath.

God Himself is going to 'cut short' the days of the Antichrist's reign and deliver His wrath upon the earth after Jesus has received those who are his unto him.

That's my understanding of this passage of the Scriptures.

God bless you.
IN Christ, Ted
 
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Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

"Those days" are the days of this tribulation. If God did not shorten the time and reign of the Antichrist, no man in the flesh body would be spiritually saved, and not deceived by Satan the Antichrist. Daniel told us in Daniel 9:27 that this time of the Antichrist, the desolator, was one half of one week of years. That is one half of seven years, and it has been shortened to five [5] months.

Again,just sharing,but willing to discuss............

How are you gonna fit the 1335 days into the "great" tribulation?

Daniel 12:11-12 (NKJV)
11) “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12) Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.




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Dougg wrote, "When someone tells you that you will fly out of here, and not be on the earth where this happens, they just show you their stupidity, and lack of the knowledge of God's Word."


Phil replies, "You just called millions and millions of Christians stupid! Hmmmm you could have said something like, they remind me of "Fish without brains" but not stupid! All I can say when the day does come and the true believers are take up to be with the Lord, you will feel as if you had just been jilted.

Than my advise you would be, "run home, build a moat around your house, because you will be in for quite a rude awakening. Also your comment reminds me of a guy who always seemed to be sure but was rarely right.


One last question, "What's your hope?" As for me, I am one of these fish without brains who is waiting for the Lord to return and take us to His Father's throne."


And if I am wrong we will both be in the same pickle jar, but if I'm right, I hope you like pickles!


Phil LaSpino
 
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Dougg wrote, "When someone tells you that you will fly out of here, and not be on the earth where this happens, they just show you their stupidity, and lack of the knowledge of God's Word."


Phil replies, "You just called millions and millions of Christians stupid! Hmmmm you could have said something like, they remind me of "Fish without brains" but not stupid! All I can say when the day does come and the true believers are take up to be with the Lord, you will feel as if you had just been jilted.


Phil, it wasn't my statement. I was quoting n2thelight.

Go back and read my post and n2thelight's post in the opening thread, 4th paragraph down from the top. I was quoting him, but I don't think you noticed that it was a quote (although it was marked as a quote).

 
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How are you gonna fit the 1335 days into the "great" tribulation?

Daniel 12:11-12 (NKJV)
11) “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12) Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.



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It's been shortened,that's the point....
 
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It's been shortened,that's the point....

I'd have to ask for your complex reasoning. 5 months, that would appear to conflict with the 1300days given in prophecy. How do you account for God then changing His previous word giving a time of 3.5 years to one audience and 5months for the other?

Attempt to explain it to one who can't see past God not going back on His word.
 
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It's been shortened,that's the point....

n2, this is what I wrote to Riberra yesterday. This is what God meant in Matthew 24:22. It's already been shorten to a time and times and half a time in Rev 12:14.

Rev 12:14 is the timing it's been shorten to for the elects, not Rev 9:5.

Look at other translations on Matthew 24:22. Matthew 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no - Online Bible Study Tools


Riberra,

The days for the elect has already been determined to a time and times and half a time. (Rev 12:14)

Look at Matthew 24:22 from multiple translations. Matthew 24:22 If those days had not been cut short, no - Online Bible Study Tools

It means that if the tribulation were any longer than a total of 7 years, such as 10, 15 or 20 years, everybody on earth including the 144,000 would be dead. No one alive at all.

Saving the 144,000 in time is the main reason on the timing of Christ's second coming.

You really need to stop following that website. But if you must, don't preach what it said to others in here. There's a lot of people coming to this forum regularly to learn about prophecy.

If you're not sure of something, it's ok to ask questions, you'll get help in here. But don't continuously preach what is not of the bible. This is what i'm trying to get across.


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I'd have to ask for your complex reasoning. 5 months, that would appear to conflict with the 1300days given in prophecy. How do you account for God then changing His previous word giving a time of 3.5 years to one audience and 5months for the other?

Attempt to explain it to one who can't see past God not going back on His word.


I look at it as being the 5 month period of the locust

Rev. 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man


 
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TPeterY

You really need to stop following that website. But if you must, don't preach what it said to others in here. There's a lot of people coming to this forum regularly to learn about prophecy.

If you're not sure of something, it's ok to ask questions, you'll get help in here. But don't continuously preach what is not of the bible. This is what i'm trying to get across.

I know,that's why I plant the seeds,trying to steer them away from false doctrines,such as the pre trib rapture....

People with eyes to see will....

Judgement starts with the teachers,and Im more than ready to stand before God and give an account of what I shared with other's...

So please don't tell me what not to do,as I happen to think the site explains God's Word,with His Word....

Chapter by chapter,verse by verse,as scripture is intended to be taught
 
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TPeterY said in post 12:

Rev 12:14 is the timing it's been shorten to for the elects, not Rev 9:5.

That could be right.

Mark 13:20 can mean that all flesh on the earth would die if the Lord hadn't already shortened, as in "he hath shortened" (Mark 13:20b), the number of days of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18, Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. The Lord could have already determined, from the beginning of Creation (cf. Isaiah 46:10), that he will return on the 1,335th day after the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). And the Lord will return "immediately after the tribulation" (Matthew 24:29-31), immediately after its final event, the worldwide destruction during the 7th vial (Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2 to 20:6). So Mark 13:20 can mean that if the Lord hadn't shortened the number of days of the tribulation, then all flesh on the earth would die during the 7th vial's aftermath, which could be a nuclear-winter scenario (which the Lord will miraculously prevent at his return) brought on by the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire nuking the cities of the earth at the 7th vial (Revelation 17:16-17a, Revelation 16:19).

Mark 13:20 doesn't require (as is sometimes claimed) that the time had been shortened compared with the 1,335 days of Daniel 12:11-12. For they can be the shortened time, compared with some longer period in which all flesh on the earth would die.

TPeterY said in post 12:

Rev 12:14 is the timing it's been shorten to for the elects, not Rev 9:5.

Regarding the idea of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 lasting only 5 months because of what Revelation 9:5,10 says, the 5 months there are the entire length of only the time of the 5th trumpet's strange locust-like beings stinging mankind (Revelation 9:1-11). This time won't even begin until after the events of the tribulation's 2nd through 7th seals and then the 1st through 4th trumpets have occurred in the order shown in Revelation 6:3 to 8:13.

Also, the time of the 5th trumpet will end sometime before the 6th trumpet's events of Revelation 9:13-21, which could occur before the 1,335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 begin at the mid-tribulation setting up of the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:4). This setting up of the abomination of desolation could occur at the start of the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11-14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

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Also, it is sometimes claimed that the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 will last only 5 months because Noah's flood (supposedly) lasted 5 months. But in Luke 17:26-30 and Matthew 24:37-39 the point of the comparison isn't that the future tribulation will last the same amount of time as Noah's flood, but that just as unsaved people hadn't been expecting to be killed in Noah's flood (even though they could see or hear about Noah building his huge ark), but had continued eating and drinking without worry right up to the day of the flood, so unsaved people won't be expecting to be killed at Jesus' 2nd coming (even though they will have experienced the tribulation), but will continue eating and drinking without worry right up to the day of the 2nd coming.

Also, Noah's flood lasted longer than 5 months. For the flood started "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month" (Genesis 7:11), when it started raining for 40 days straight (Genesis 7:12). After that, the flood waters stayed on the earth at a very high level for 5 months (Genesis 7:24), when they receded just enough for Noah's ark to come to rest on (very high) Mount Ararat "in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month" (Genesis 8:4). But the flood waters were still on the earth, and only gradually receded for about 3 more months: "And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen" (Genesis 8:5). But only their tops, so that Noah had to stay in the ark even longer, until the flood waters had completely receded: "in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried" (Genesis 8:14). This was a year and 10 days after the flood had started (Genesis 7:11). So, as far as Noah was concerned, the flood lasted longer than a year.
 
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n2thelight said in post 13:

I look at it as being the 5 month period of the locust

Rev. 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man

Regarding the weird locust-like beings in Revelation 9:7-10 themselves, and the subsequent army of 200 million weird horse-like beings in Revelation 9:16-19, they could both be literal, and could both be seen by the world as "aliens", or "demons", when in fact they could both be animals which evolved or were miraculously created (at different times) on this planet millions of years ago. The weird locust-like beings are currently living, or are in some state of extended hibernation, in the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:2-3,11), which may have a physical manifestation as a deep underground cavern. The top of this cavern could be deep under the city of Abadan (in Iran), just as the bottomless pit is under the angel Abaddon (Revelation 9:11). The weird locust-like beings will swarm up from the bottomless pit to torment mankind with excruciating stings for 5 months (Revelation 9:2-10). They won't kill anyone, but they will make those they sting want to die, the pain will be so bad (Revelation 9:5-6).

Because the weird horse-like beings will have to come from somewhere, and it could be difficult to keep 200 million of them hidden on the earth, they could currently be living, or be in some state of extended hibernation, in hidden underground bases somewhere away from this planet, such as on the far side of this planet's moon, and/or on the next planet out from the sun (they could even be a source of the mysterious methane emissions which have been detected in places emanating from beneath the 4th planet's surface).

The 200 million literal, weird horse-like beings of the 6th trumpet (Revelation 9:16-19) haven't come upon the earth yet (as is sometimes claimed), for 1/3 of mankind hasn't been killed by them yet (Revelation 9:18).
 
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I know,that's why I plant the seeds,trying to steer them away from false doctrines,such as the pre trib rapture....

People with eyes to see will....

Judgement starts with the teachers,and Im more than ready to stand before God and give an account of what I shared with other's...

So please don't tell me what not to do,as I happen to think the site explains God's Word,with His Word....

Chapter by chapter,verse by verse,as scripture is intended to be taught

n2, we Christians aren't require to stand before God at The Great White Throne Judgement nor give an account for everything we've done.

We (those who are worthy - Luke 21:36) stand before the Son of man to receive our rewards for our works upon His return.

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No true christian will be at the "great white throne judgment" not one

This is a judgment of the spirits of the dead .... all from the beginning of human creation that refused to believe in the Lord and who He is .... and all will be sent to the lake of fire

.... and shortening of the days is a reference to the scheduled time of the tribulation which will last for 2550 days .... this is a very short period of time compared with 6000 years of human existence upon the earth .... just a short period of time of the coming judgment

The 5 month period of demonic harm to humans is only a small part of the tribulation judgments

The skewed idea of the tribulation lasting only 5 months is taught by Arnold Murray for various reasons related to his serpent seed dogma
 
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I look at it as being the 5 month period of the locust

Rev. 9:5
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man



The issue I have is I see that 5months with locusts as a literal 5 months. I see that 5 months as a part of the great tribulation- at least part of the 3.5 year time frame given in prophecy (regardless if it's longer, I don't see scripture showing it shorter, though). I'm not seeing how the time frame got shrunk down to ONLY 5 months.

I see the hailstones, wormwood, rivers blood, all taking a mark to buy/sell, wars, 2 witnesses etc with locusts all encompassing the time frame given in prophecy making up that great tribulation and 5months seems way to short for it all, 3.5 would sound about right when figuring time spaced to allow "men" to recoup or allowed to repent, though were told none shall.

Your refrence to making it shorter, like others I feel was a warning that when these events do actually start to happen had the time frame not been reduced previously no man would survive-sinner nor acceptor of Jesus as Lord. I feel the message was for our knowledge to prepare for the true power of Gods wrath and destruction that this world will one day see.
 
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The issue I have is I see that 5months with locusts as a literal 5 months. I see that 5 months as a part of the great tribulation- at least part of the 3.5 year time frame given in prophecy (regardless if it's longer, I don't see scripture showing it shorter, though). I'm not seeing how the time frame got shrunk down to ONLY 5 months.

I see the hailstones, wormwood, rivers blood, all taking a mark to buy/sell, wars, 2 witnesses etc with locusts all encompassing the time frame given in prophecy making up that great tribulation and 5months seems way to short for it all, 3.5 would sound about right when figuring time spaced to allow "men" to recoup or allowed to repent, though were told none shall.

Your refrence to making it shorter, like others I feel was a warning that when these events do actually start to happen had the time frame not been reduced previously no man would survive-sinner nor acceptor of Jesus as Lord. I feel the message was for our knowledge to prepare for the true power of Gods wrath and destruction that this world will one day see.

I see the first half of the trib as being 3 1/2 years,I only see the 2nd half as being shortened...
 
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