Security of Salvation Verses

[FaithAlone]

I know we've covered this a million times but I just went through my Bible and found as many verses as I could that deal with security of salvation for a few friends that had questions about it. I just thought I'd post it. This can turn into a debate if you want, but it doesn't have to. We've already got a lot of threads on that. I just thought it might be a good list to print out for anyone who wanted to look at the scripture that I believe says we are saved forever once we are saved.


Can a Believer Lose His/Her Salvation?
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John 3:18– We are no longer judged when we accept Christ

John 5:24– We have passed out of death into life

John 6:37-40– Jesus will not cast us out. He will lose nothing. That means us.

John 10:27-30– No one (even you) can snatch you out of God’s hand

Acts13:39– Once we have accepted Christ we are free from all things

Romans 8:1– There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

Romans 8:38-39– Nothing can separate us from the love of God

Romans 11:29– God’s calling can’t be taken back

1 Corinthians 3: 9-23– vs 15-If we turn from God after we have been saved we will be saved but with very few rewards. Vs 23– We belong to Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:22– We are sealed by the Holy Spirit

2 Corinthians 5:17– We are a new creature in Christ. The old things have passed away

Ephesians 1:13-sealed by the Spirit

Ephesians 4:30– sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption

Philippians 1:6– God will perfect what He started in you

Colossians 2:13&14– Christ already paid for ALL of our sins. When we accept Him as our Savior His blood covers ALL of our sins

Colossians 3:3&4– We are hidden with Christ in God. Christ is our life and will reveal us in Heaven.

Hebrews 7:25-27– He covered ALL sins when He offered Himself up on the cross Hebrews 10:10, 10:14

1 Peter 1:4&5

Jude 1:1– We are kept for Christ​

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So why do good if we are already saved?

John 14:15– If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Romans 6– Should we continue in sin so that grace may abound? May it never be!

1 Corinthians 6:12 & 10:23- ALL things are lawful for us but not all are profitable.

1 Peter 2:16– Do not use your freedom as a covering for evil

There are more but that's a start.

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[lands21]

Good post.

 

[ImSoBlessed]

too bad its a lie

 

[FaithAlone]

We really do need to take our discussion here don't we? Have you read in your Bible the verses that I posted ImSoBlessed? I would like to get your view on those specific verses if you have time. I would like to see how someone who believes they can loose their salvation would look at those scriptures.

 

[ImSoBlessed]

i have anylized some of them and can show you your misinterpretation but simply don't have time...i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you..

 

[FaithAlone]

i have anylized some of them and can show you your misinterpretation but simply don't have time...i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you..

You have been on here for hours today and yesterday. How is it possible that you don't have time? If you would rather post tomorrow or next week that's fine. I just want to know what you think those verses mean.

 

[mannysee]

that's a nice list.......how about looking at Romans 8:28... as well!

i have been reading in ephesians where it starts talking about about how we (in Christ) were once dead in trespasses and sins in which we once walked.......and then it goes on to say that God, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead, raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly places, etc.... My thought here was that if God loved us when we were dead in sins (sounds pretty sinful to me), and still yet raised us up (in Christ), how God could also cast us off if we return to sin again?

 

[ImSoBlessed]

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

if you get saved and walk in the spirit and are led by the spirit then you will live (spiritually). if you begin to walk back in the flesh you will die (spiriyually).

 

[FaithAlone]

I don't understand how those verses apply. They only say more that once we have accepted Christ we have died to our flesh. If we have passed out of judgement and into life how can we keep going back and forth? We really don't have to discuss this more if you don't want to. I just really wanted to see what you thought about each of the verses in the first post.

 

[AshenK]

i have anylized some of them and can show you your misinterpretation but simply don't have time...i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you..

You've sinned with your body.
You've sinned with your soul.
You've never sinned with your spirit, because it's impossible, and sin in your soul/body doesn't phase your spirit, because it's sealed away by Christs' blood.

Simple concept. You're spirit is saved forever.

 

[Rafael]

i have anylized some of them and can show you your misinterpretation but simply don't have time...i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you..

The message of love and mercy would precede any judgment or condemnation, IMO. The Holy Spirit, alone, can convict and bring about change in a persons life as they submit theirselves unto God. It doesn't mean that we have to not believe that God is able to keep that which is committed unto Him. Calling the scriptures a lie and a plain direct translation "misinterpretation" is a pretty negative note to start out on and would do nothing but bring reproach upon the Lord's name.......?? Didn't the Lord warn us to not be like the Pharisees who would "shut up the gates of heaven" and strain knats only to swallow camels? We are to beware the leaven of the Pharisee and let our love be genuine - even to our enemies.
The gospel is "good news", not bad news, and the commandments are to love - not judge or condemn but to patiently disciple showing the fruit of God's Spirit as an example of what is inside. God and His Holy Spirit are well able to convict and lead a man to righteousness with God. To think otherwise is to deny the power of God. My brow-beating would only drive away that which the Holy Spirit would draw as the Lord is lifted up and and drawing all men unto Him. The Lord is not slow in returning, but patient in His love, not willing any shoud perish:

2 Peter 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Mt 23:13 ¶ But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of Heaven before men; for you do not enter, nor do you allow those entering to go in.
Mt 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he is become so, ye make him twofold more a son of hell than yourselves.
Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.
Mt 23:24 Blind guides, straining out the gnat, but swallowing the camel!

 

[ImSoBlessed]

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.




Why would we have to ask for forgiveness when we pray if it had no importance?

 

[Lynn73]

too bad its a lie

The Scriptures are a lie?

 

[AshenK]

i have anylized some of them and can show you your misinterpretation but simply don't have time...i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you..

You've sinned with your body.
You've sinned with your soul.
You've never sinned with your spirit, because it's impossible, and sin in your soul/body doesn't phase your spirit, because it's sealed away by Christs' blood.

Simple concept. You're spirit is saved forever.

 

[billychum]

Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Mat 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.




Why would we have to ask for forgiveness when we pray if it had no importance?

Could these verses (Mat 6:14-15) refer to our prayer condition? Mat 6:7 But when ye pray
Billy <><

 

[Egghead]

I have to wonder why youd show one side of the matter and not the other

I know we've covered this a million times but I just went through my Bible and found as many verses as I could that deal with security of salvation for a few friends that had questions about it. I just thought I'd post it. This can turn into a debate if you want, but it doesn't have to. We've already got a lot of threads on that. I just thought it might be a good list to print out for anyone who wanted to look at the scripture that I believe says we are saved forever once we are saved.


Can a Believer Lose His/Her Salvation?
​

John 3:18– We are no longer judged when we accept Christ

John 5:24– We have passed out of death into life

John 6:37-40– Jesus will not cast us out. He will lose nothing. That means us.

John 10:27-30– No one (even you) can snatch you out of God’s hand

Acts13:39– Once we have accepted Christ we are free from all things

Romans 8:1– There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus

Romans 8:38-39– Nothing can separate us from the love of God

Romans 11:29– God’s calling can’t be taken back

1 Corinthians 3: 9-23– vs 15-If we turn from God after we have been saved we will be saved but with very few rewards. Vs 23– We belong to Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:22– We are sealed by the Holy Spirit

2 Corinthians 5:17– We are a new creature in Christ. The old things have passed away

Ephesians 1:13-sealed by the Spirit

Ephesians 4:30– sealed by the Holy Spirit for the day of redemption

Philippians 1:6– God will perfect what He started in you

Colossians 2:13&14– Christ already paid for ALL of our sins. When we accept Him as our Savior His blood covers ALL of our sins

Colossians 3:3&4– We are hidden with Christ in God. Christ is our life and will reveal us in Heaven.

Hebrews 7:25-27– He covered ALL sins when He offered Himself up on the cross Hebrews 10:10, 10:14

1 Peter 1:4&5

Jude 1:1– We are kept for Christ

So why do good if we are already saved?

John 14:15– If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Romans 6– Should we continue in sin so that grace may abound? May it never be!

1 Corinthians 6:12 & 10:23- ALL things are lawful for us but not all are profitable.

1 Peter 2:16– Do not use your freedom as a covering for evil

There are more but that's a start.

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[Egghead]

John 3:18– We are no longer judged when we accept Christ

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(2Co 5:10)

 

[oworm]

Well this is fun folks. My tv is broken so i can't watch Wimbledon but hey who needs tennis when i can watch scripture tossing.

Heres a logical question though. Can a child become "unborn"?

 

[nephilimiyr]

Well this is fun folks. My tv is broken so i can't watch Wimbledon but hey who needs tennis when i can watch scripture tossing.

LOL!

Heres a logical question though. Can a child become "unborn"?

No but a child can die.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I don't understand how those verses apply.

In this persons case it doesn't matter because they lied. He told you he didn't have time to answer you but then took the long time to find the verses he thought would trump your verses and then took the time to post them. Completely avioding your question and the reason he gave for not answering it. Gee, can we get any disingenuous than this?

The topper is that this is the same person who told you "i suggest that you earnestly pray and ask the holy spirit to lead and guide you and ask him to speak to you...and sit and reflect and make sure it is he that is speaking to you.."

Apparently when one is lead by the Holy Spirit, one has the authority to mislead.

Sorry but any reasonable person can see that this person had more than enough time on his hands to answer the question.