SALVATION

[setst777]

setst777 said:
I agree, however, in "John 3:3-8" Lord Jesus had not yet explained to Nicodemus when and how we receive the New Birth of Eternal Life by the indwelling Spirit. Lord Jesus explains the "when" and "how" in "John 3:13-18."

Good job. . .

Actually, the when and how are set forth in Jn 3:3-8,
by sovereign (based on absolutely nothing but his will) choice of the Holy Spirit,
whose choice is as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:6-8), doing as he wills (i.e, sovereign, based on absolutely nothing but his choice).

Yes, the Holy Spirit goes where he wills, but where in "John 3:3-8" does Lord Jesus explain to Nicodemus when and how the Holy Spirit give the New Birth of Eternal Life?

Lord Jesus explains the "when" and "how" in "John 3:13-18," which states that "Eternal Life" is received by faith.

According to you, "Eternal Life" is regeneration or rebirth is God's life of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us to give our spirits life.

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Is "God's life" in us the Holy Spirit? If not, then what is God's life indwelling us?

Does the following Scripture teach that the rebirth (spiritual life) of our spirit is by the Spirit dwelling IN you?

Romans 8:9-10 (WEB) 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. 10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Is Eternal Life in us being born again (regeneration by the indwelling Holy Spirit?
If so, isn't the Spirit received by faith so that we may have spiritual life?

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

Rebirth of/by the Holy Spirit is into eternal life. . .therefore rebirth of/by the Spirit is eternal life.
When do we receive the Paraclete?

Again you affirm that the rebirth of/by the Spirit IS eternal life, correct?

The NT Scriptures teach us that eternal life is received by faith, not so you can believe, is that correct?
And you agree that we receive the Spirit by faith, is that correct?

Therefore, do you agree that Eternal Life itself is to be born again (regeneration) by the Holy Spirit, and is received by faith, not so you can believe?

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

I restate you again on this very point:

Rebirth of/by the Holy Spirit is into eternal life. . .therefore rebirth of/by the Spirit is eternal life.
When do we receive the Paraclete?

setst777 said:
That is your belief. But you adamantly declare that the new birth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life in us, which you say is before faith.
When do we receive the Paraclete?

Faith is the cause of the righteousness by which the spirit is alive.

Question: What makes our spirit alive? Isn't it by the Spirit of God dwelling IN us leading us to righteousness?

There is no rebirth of the Spirit unless the Spirit dwells in you, wouldn't you agree?

Romans 8:9-10 (WEB) 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. 10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

According to God's Word, Eternal Life is regeneration (to make alive, born again) of God's Spirit dwelling in us. Is that what "John 7:38-39" is teaching?

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

You have stated in agreement as follows - that God's life IN US (the Holy Spirit) is by the rebirth:

Clare73 said: Born again is rebirth from spiritual death into eternal life.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Clare73 said: You've got the cart before the horse, the rebirth is into eternal life of the Spirit, which eternal life is his indwelling us.

Whosoever believes, God indwells by His Spirit to give their spirits rebirth - eternal life, wouldn't you agree?

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

The Spirit of God must indwell a person to give him spiritual life, is that correct?

Romans 8:9-10 (WEB) 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. 10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

The Spirit must indwell a person to give them life, but only if they first believe, correct?

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which eternal life Adam had, and then lost.

The Holy Spirit is not reborn.

Our immortal human spirits are reborn to/into eternal life, which they had lost, and did not have.

I do not disagree, but you are not following through with your thought to its conclusion. The conclusion being that our spirits are indwelt by God's Spirit IN US to give us eternal life, which is by faith, not before faith. We receive God's Spirit by faith to give us spiritual life.

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

Question: How and when is our immortal human spirit reborn into eternal life? What do the Scriptures teach?

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

The Spirit must dwell in a person to give his spirit life, and this happens when he believes, manifested by following Lord Jesus

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears [listens] my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life [regeneration], and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life [regeneration].

John 8:12 “I am the light of the world. [Isaiah 60:1] He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the {{light of life}}.”
The light of life is regeneration and is God’s Work in those who follow Lord Jesus.

Romans 8:9-10 (WEB) 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn’t have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his. 10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

 

[David Lamb]

Is his "reformed" theology possibly Calvinism or is his "Calvinsim" possibly reform theology? Either way the basis of his SALVATION theology is predestination (see underlined portion of verse 29). Which is understood as living a holy / righteous life free from sin. Living a sanctified life (SALVATION) isn't possible without ministering in the Gifts as determined by the Holy Spirit (wisdom, the word of knowledge, increased faith, the gift of healing, the gift of miracles, prophecy, the discernment of spirits, kinds of tongues, interpretation of tongues) as need be.

IOW ... Faith is provided by God, Calling is from God, Sanctificaton comes from God, Justtification is only possible by God ... Glorified body.

Reformed theology definitely does not teach that living a holy/righteous life free from sin is the basis of salvation! Rather, it teaches that we are all sinners, and to be saved, we need to be provided with a righteousness which is not our own, the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ. Following their conversion, Christians should become more and more conformed to the way God wants them to live (sanctification), but reformed theology is clear that sanctification in this life will never be perfect. For example, the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith says in its chapter on Sanctification: "This sanctification is throughout the whole man, yet imperfect in this life; there abides still some remnants of corruption in every part, wherefrom arises a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh." Yes, reformed theology does teach that faith, justification and justification are provided by God.

 

[Clare73]

Not sure what you mean. Sanctification is an ongoing process. There’s no end to holiness, IOW, in how much we can grow in love to put it another way. There’s also no point in this life at which we can’t turn away from God, to reject love, meaning OSAS is a lie.

Except for what Jesus says

1) All that the Father gives to me will come (future tense) to me (Jn 6:37).
2) I shall lose none of those that he has given me (Jn 6:39).

Either way, we can’t predict our own perseverance, and persevere we must. Picking up our cross is a daily choice.

Seems like Jesus disagrees.

 

[fhansen]

Except for what Jesus says

1) All that the Father gives to me will come (future tense) to me (Jn 6:37).
2) I shall lose none of those that he has given me (Jn 6:39).

Seems like Jesus disagrees.

Well, if Jesus disagrees then the Bible wouldn't warn us that we must persevere. Other than that, He's the only one who knows with certainty who the Father gave Him. Anyone can call Him Lord but talk is cheap.

 

[Clare73]

I do not disagree, but you are not following through with your thought to its conclusion. The conclusion being that our spirits are indwelt by God's Spirit IN US to give us eternal life, which is by faith, not before faith. We receive God's Spirit by faith to give us spiritual life.

Ro 8:7-8 -The mind of the unregenerate man (i.e., without eternal life of the Holy Spirit) is hostile to God, does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.Those controlled by the sinful nature (the unregenerate) cannot please God, and that includes by believing.

1 Co 2:14 - The man without the Spirit (unregenerate, without eternal of the Holy Spirit) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them.

There is no, nor can there be, faith within the unregenerate, by which they receive God's Spirit. Selah.

 

[fhansen]

Reformed theology definitely does not teach that living a holy/righteous life free from sin is the basis of salvation! Rather, it teaches that we are all sinners, and to be saved, we need to be provided with a righteousness which is not our own, the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ. Following their conversion, Christians should become more and more conformed to the way God wants them to live (sanctification), but reformed theology is clear that sanctification in this life will never be perfect. For example, the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith says in its chapter on Sanctification: "This sanctification is throughout the whole man, yet imperfect in this life; there abides still some remnants of corruption in every part, wherefrom arises a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh." Yes, reformed theology does teach that faith, justification and justification are provided by God.

This is actually the position of the church historically, in both the east and west and the ECFs.

The difference is that after being freely justified, we are now equipped to fight the battle and are expected to overcome as per Rom 8:12-14, to whatever degree God deems sufficient, winning that battle in the overall sense as we come closer and closer to Him and further from the world.

 

[Clare73]

Well, if Jesus disagrees then the Bible wouldn't warn us that we must persevere.

Warnings are the manner in which God preserves the elect.
Without warnings, they would not know what to do and not do.
"Persevere" is admonition for the ones whom God gave to Jesus.

Other than that, He's the only one who knows with certainty who the Father gave Him. Anyone can call Him Lord but talk is cheap.

Not according to the apostle John in 1 Jn 5:13-20, where we know

we have eternal life; i.e., salvation (v.13),
that he hears us (v.15),
we have what we asked of him (v.15),
anyone born of God does not continue to sin (v.18),
we are children (born) of God (v.19, Jn 1:13),
the Son of God has given us understanding (v.20),
we know him who is true (v.20),
we are in him who is true, that is, his Son Jesus Christ (v.20).

 

[fhansen]

Warnings are the manner in which God preserves the elect.

Pure speculation. And unscriptural considering all the other warnings-to believers

Not according to the apostle John in 1 Jn 5:13-20, where we know

That's encouragement. Certainly not even everyone who first heard or read that letter was necessarily among the elect. Anyone who's decided that they're 100% definitively saved engages in wishful thinking and faulty understanding of the gospel. Again, talk is cheap. If we find ourselves loving God and neighbor well, better and better and acting accordingly, then we can have a strong level of assurance.

 

[Clare73]

Pure speculation. And unscriptural considering all the other warnings-to believers

That's encouragement.

Oh, wow!

The apostle speaks untruth for the sake of encouragement.

Explains a lot about your hermeneutic. . .

 

[AbbaLove]

Reformed theology definitely does not teach that living a holy/righteous life free from sin is the basis of salvation!

Where did God in the OT or Christ Jesus in the NT say that giving into temptation is still a problem for a born again new creation in Christ with a renewed mind and a new spiritual heart. Or do you believe it could take years or never to resist temptation?

Religious academic-minded men don't believe it's possible to stop sinning IOW they question Jesus' following "words" as not possible. Yet Jesus told the blind man ..."Stop your sinning or something worse many happen" and told the adulterous woman ... "Go and sin no more". This was before the New Covenant with advent of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to conform sinful man with a renewed mind and heart making it now possible to live a holy-righteous life as a new creation in Christ Jesus ...

Leviticus 20:26
You shall be holy to me, for I the LORD am holy and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be mine.
Exodus 19:6
and you shall be to me a ykingdom of priests and za holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel."​

Should the Lord expect any less of "born again" new creations in Christ with the enabling power of His Holy Spirit abiding in His Chosen.


That should NOT be interrupted that we are to continue in sin "God Forbide!"
That righteousness makes it possible to stop sinning after Siritually "born again" ...

1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is within you, whom you have [received as a gift] from God, and that you are not your own.​

Yes, reformed theology does teach that faith, justification and justification are provided by God.

Didn't you mean to write "faith, sanctification and justification" or doesn't the"1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith" believe it's possible to live a sancified (holy-righteous life) with the abiding Holy Spirit to enable a "born again" new creation in Christ Jesus with one or more of these Gifts - "the word of wisdom and word of knowledge, along with faith, healing, miracles, prophecy, discerning between spirits, speaking in tongues, and the interpretation of tongues" as needed ... 12 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as He wills.


[indent]David said ...

"This sanctification is throughout the whole man, yet imperfect in this life; there abides still some remnants of corruption in every part, wherefrom arises a continual and irreconcilable war; the flesh lusting against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh."[/indent]

Is that included in the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith or your own Baptisr theology?

 

[fhansen]

Oh, wow!

The apostle speaks untruth for the sake of encouragement.

Explains a lot about your hermeneutic. . .

Hermeneutics are worthless until the entire bible is taken into account. Yes, John was being encouraging. And even if he wasn't we still don't know the audience of that letter. Additionally, he more than anyone else teaches that we assess our status before God by our love. We can apply any words of the bible we wish to ourselves...but that doesn't mean much in itself.

 

[Clare73]

Hermeneutics are worthless until the entire bible is taken into account.

I say hermeneutics are worthless if they present the Bible as speaking untruth.

 

[fhansen]

I say hermeneutics are worthless if they present the Bible as speaking untruth.

Or if the intention of the author is misunderstood and misinterpreted

 

[setst777]

Ro 8:7-8 -The mind of the unregenerate man (i.e., without eternal life of the Holy Spirit) is hostile to God, does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.Those controlled by the sinful nature (the unregenerate) cannot please God, and that includes by believing.

1 Co 2:14 - The man without the Spirit (unregenerate, without eternal of the Holy Spirit) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them.

There is no, nor can there be, faith within the unregenerate, by which they receive God's Spirit. Selah.

Okay, so you are going to avoid answering my questions and the five Scriptures I provided in reply to you.

And then, you desire to refute the Holy Scriptures I provided by quoting "Romans 8:7-8" and "1 Corinthians 2:14," without any explanation from you as to how those Scriptures contradict Lord Jesus' words and that of the Apostle Paul.

FIRST OF ALL

You are the one who kept saying that Eternal Life of our spirits is God's Life dwelling in us, and God's Life in us is the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said:
Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Eternal Life, which is God's Spirit in us, is only received by faith:

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [The rebirth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life, which is by faith]

When you object, are you not refuting God?

SECONDLY

The Gospel is God's invitation and call to sinners (hostile to God by sin) to repent and believe in Lord Jesus to receive forgiveness of sins.

Luke 5:32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

To "repent" and "believe" are not acts of righteousness of regeneration; rather, these are acts of sinners (hostile to God by their sins), as a plea to God be saved from their sins.

Matthew 11:28 (WEB) Come to me, all you who labor and are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest.

Luke 4:18 (WEB) “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach Gospel to the poor [humble/afflicted].

REGARDING "Romans 8:7-8"

"Romans 8:7-8" never states that a sinner, who is hostile to God because of sin, cannot become a friend of God by faith in Him

James 2:23 (WEB) 23 So the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness,” [Genesis 15:6] and he was called the friend of God [reconciliation].

Eternal Life is God's Life IN us (the indwelling Spirit), which you agree with:

Clare73 said:
Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

We receive this Eternal Life (God's Spirit in us) by faith in Lord Jesus manifested in obedience.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [The rebirth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life, which is by faith]

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are his witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

Acts 2:38 (WEB) 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

When you object, are you not refuting God?

REGARDING "1 Corinthians 2:14"

Once again, just like "Romans 8:7-8" the unregenerate man will not accept the righteous requirements that God demands, being hostile to God by our sins. However, the sinner is saved by God by the sinner's faith in Lord Jesus who died for them. That is the Gospel.

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [The rebirth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life, which is by faith]

Clare73 said:
Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Eternal Life of God is received by faith, just as the Gospel declares. Do you believe in the Gospel? (John 3:16)
When you object, are you not refuting God?

 

[Clare73]

Or if the intention of the author is misunderstood and misinterpreted

No Biblical writers uses untruth as the basis for, nor as a presentation of truth.

 

[Clare73]

Okay, so you are going to avoid answering my questions and the five Scriptures I provided in reply to you.

To which five are you referring?

And then, you desire to refute the Holy Scriptures I provided by quoting "Romans 8:7-8" and "1 Corinthians 2:14," without any explanation from you as to how those Scriptures contradict Lord Jesus' words and that of the Apostle Paul.

I didn't realize they needed explaining. . .

To the two above, add Jn 3:3-5 where unregenerate man cannot even see the kingdom of God on his own, because of his spiritual blindness, much less do anything spiritual (believe) without the Holy Spirit. . .and then read them again.

Those three Scriptures deny any ability of unregenerate man to believe apart from the operation of the Holy Spirit within him, which operations is the result of the new birth, not the cause of the new birth.

 

[setst777]

Oh, wow!

The apostle speaks untruth for the sake of encouragement.

Explains a lot about your hermeneutic. . .

Yes, the Apostles encouraged the believers to remain faithful to inherit the promises of God, but would they all remain faithful? Not according to Lord Jesus and the Apostles.

What were the Apostles teaching the true believers in the following?

1 Timothy 4:16 (Writing to Timothy about his security) 16 Pay attention to yourself and to your teaching. Continue in these things, for in doing this you will save yourself and those who hear (listen to) you.

1 Corinthians 9:27 (Paul explaining about his own security) 27 but I beat my body and bring it into submission, lest by any means, after I have preached to others, I myself should be rejected

Rejected: Gk: adokimos: worthless (literally or morally) -- castaway, rejected, reprobate
Strong's Greek: 96. ἀδόκιμος (adokimos) -- failing to pass the test

Philippians 3:10-12 (Paul explaining about his own security) 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.

In the following, was Paul teaching about those were in a false faith or those who were in "THE" Faith?

1 Timothy 1:19 (WEB) 19 “holding faith and a good conscience, which some having thrust away “made a shipwreck (Greek: enauagēsan) concerning {THE faith}”

1 Timothy 4:1 (WEB) 1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from {THE faith}, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons

1 Timothy 6:20 (WEB) Timothy, guard that which is committed to you, turning away from the empty chatter and oppositions of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some profess, and thus have wandered from {THE faith}.

You can't say they are not in the true faith without rejecting God's Word, because the Scriptures state that they were in THE faith.

Did Paul teach true Christians who were connected to the Root, that they should also fear, lest by falling away from the faith they should be cut off from the Elect Olive Root?

Romans 11:19-24 (WEB) Romans 11:19-23 (EWEB) 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.” 20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness [by not falling away like the natural branches]; otherwise you also will be cut off.

What was Peter teaching the Elect in Christ regarding their salvation?

2 Peter 1:8-11 (WEB) 8 For if these things are yours and abound, they make you to not be idle or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten {{{the cleansing from his old sins}}}. 10 Therefore, {{{brothers and sisters}}}, be more diligent to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never stumble. 11 For thus you will be richly supplied with the entrance into the Eternal Kingdom of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 3:17 (WEB) 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware, lest being carried away with the error of the wicked, you fall from your own steadfastness.

 

[setst777]

To which five are you referring?

I didn't realize they needed explaining. . .

Since you are interpreting Scriptures to agree with you, then you need to explain how the Passages you quoted contradict Lord Jesus and His Apostles.

You kept saying that Eternal Life of our spirits is God's Life dwelling in us (rebirth), and God's Life in us is the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said:
Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Eternal Life, which is God's Spirit in us, is only received by faith:

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [The rebirth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life, which is by faith]

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.

When you try to quote Scriptures that refute other Scriptures, you are making a mockery of God's Word, and you are refuting God.

To the two above, add Jn 3:3-5 where unregenerate man cannot even see the kingdom of God on his own, because of his spiritual blindness, much less do anything spiritual (believe) without the Holy Spirit. . .and then read them again.

Those three Scriptures deny any ability of unregenerate man to believe apart from the operation of the Holy Spirit within him, which operations is the result of the new birth, not the cause of the new birth.

When do you pass out of spiritual death into spiritual life, according to Lord Jesus?

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears [listens] my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life [regeneration], and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life [regeneration].

"John 3:3-5" is explained by Lord Jesus in John 3:16, which you agreed with as follows:

Clare73 said:
Eternal Life is God's life within the immortal human spirit through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

Clare73 said: eternal life itself is born in regeneration by the Holy Spirit.

Clare73 said: Eternal life is God's life in one's spirit by the rebirth.

Eternal Life {the rebirth by God's Spirit indwelling us} is received by faith, just as the Gospel declares.

Do you believe in the Gospel? (John 3:16)

John 3:16 (WEB) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. [The rebirth of the indwelling Spirit is eternal life, which is by faith]

When you object, are you not refuting God?

The Spirit must dwell in a person to give his spirit life, and this happens when he believes,

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears [listens] my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life [regeneration], and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life [regeneration].

 

[Clare73]

Yes, the Apostles encouraged the believers to remain faithful to inherit the promises of God, but would they all remain faithful? Not according to Lord Jesus and the Apostles.

What were the Apostles teaching the true believers in the following?

They were warnings.
Warnings are one of the ways God preserves the elect.

 

[setst777]

They were warnings.
Warnings are one of the ways God preserves the elect.

In the following, Paul is teaching about those who were in "THE" Faith, but fell away.

1 Timothy 1:19 (WEB) 19 “holding faith and a good conscience, which some having thrust away “made a shipwreck (Greek: enauagēsan) concerning {THE faith}”

1 Timothy 4:1 (WEB) 1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from {THE faith}, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons

1 Timothy 6:20 (WEB) Timothy, guard that which is committed to you, turning away from the empty chatter and oppositions of what is falsely called knowledge, 21 which some profess, and thus have wandered from {THE faith}.

You can't say they are not in the true faith without rejecting God's Word, because the Scriptures state that they were in THE faith.

Not everyone who is truly saved will remain so:

2 Timothy 4:9-10 (WEB) 9 Be diligent to come to me soon, 10 for Demas left me, having loved this present world, and went to Thessalonica

2 Timothy 2:16-18 (WEB) 16 But shun empty chatter, for it will go further in ungodliness, 17 and those words will consume like gangrene, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus: 18 men who have erred concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past, and overthrowing the faith of some.

Some were in the Holy Root but were broken off for falling away from the faith.

Romans 11:19-23 (WEB) 20 Don’t be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God didn’t spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those {{{{who fell}}}}, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness [by not falling away like the natural branches]; otherwise you also will be cut off.