Salvation for the non-believers?

[Clare73]

I just quoted scripture from what Jesus said and He said what a “good man” does. I found from the law in the Psalms that “the steps of the good man are ordered by the Lord” and that the “eyes of the Lord” keep “watch on the evil and the good”.

Mk 10:18, Ro 3:9, 19, 23, 5:12, 11:32, Gal 3:22.

 

[Lukaris]

Mk 10:18, Ro 3:9, 19, 23, 5:12, 11:32, Gal 3:22.

Taking Galatians 3:22 in the broader message of Galatians 3:21-29.The law was our tutor and the Jews had Moses & the prophets as Abraham affirmed in Luke 19:16-31 & most others had a natural law ( Romans 2:6-16) which many say is derived from Noah ( Genesis 9:1-17). I am thankful for justification by faith ( Galatians 3:24) being an heir according to promise ( Galatians 3:29).

There are multitudes of people who do not know or understand this just as there were during the law of Moses. We now all await a general resurrection and the Lord who tells me treat others as I would want to be treated & not judge ( Matthew 7:1-12) & to love God & neighbor ( Matthew 22:36-40). I can only know for sure of a general accountability of individuals based on what they know ( per Romans 1 & 2). St. Paul has to warn everyone of the same condemnations in Romans 3 but he carefully explained that individuals sway between good & evil in Romans 2 very similar to Ezekiel 18:1-32.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

No one is good (Mk 10:18).

Since God is the Father of all ...Matt. 23:9, good does come from His children

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Only the born again have God as their Father.

Everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. 1 John 4:7

 

[Clare73]

Taking Galatians 3:22 in the broader message of Galatians 3:21-29.The law was our tutor and the Jews had Moses & the prophets as Abraham affirmed in Luke 19:16-31 & most others had a natural law ( Romans 2:6-16) which many say is derived from Noah ( Genesis 9:1-17). I am thankful for justification by faith ( Galatians 3:24) being an heir according to promise ( Galatians 3:29).

There are multitudes of people who do not know or understand this just as there were during the law of Moses. We now all await a general resurrection and the Lord who tells me treat others as I would want to be treated & not judge ( Matthew 7:1-12) & to love God & neighbor ( Matthew 22:36-40).

I can only know for sure of a general accountability of individuals based on what they know ( per Romans 1 & 2). St. Paul has to warn everyone of the same condemnations in Romans 3 but he carefully explained that individuals sway between good & evil in Romans 2 very similar to Ezekiel 18:1-32.

It's not about good and evil, we are all by nature (with which we are born) objects of God's wrath ( Eph 2:3), no one is good (Mk 10:18),
it is about belief and unbelief in Jesus Christ.

"Whoever does not believe in the Son stands condemned already." (Jn 3:18)

 

[Clare73]

Since God is the Father of all ...Matt. 23:9, good does come from His children

So Jesus got it wrong in Mk 10:18: "No one is good."

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

So Jesus got it wrong in Mk 10:18: "No one is good."

I think you missed the points of both the scriptures cited. But I'll try to help.

IF God is good THEN so are His children

Additionally IF God is love, THEN anyone who loves knows God and is born of God

Not complex observations unless the reader imposes subjective and unnecessary barriers

And we haven't even dragged in the golden rule yet, which is to love our neighbors

 

[Clare73]

I think you missed the points of both the scriptures cited. But I'll try to help.

IF God is good THEN so are His children

Who are his children?

Additionally IF God is love, THEN anyone who loves knows God and is born of God

Anyone who loves who?

 

[Lukaris]

So Jesus got it wrong in Mk 10:18: "No one

It's not about good and evil, we are all by nature (with which we are born) objects of God's wrath ( Eph 2:3), no one is good (Mk 10:18),
it is about belief and unbelief in Jesus Christ.

"Whoever does not believe in the Son stands condemned already." (Jn 3:18)

So is Jesus wrong when He says “the good man” in Matthew 12:35 & Luke 6:45? With God all things are possible ( Matthew 19:26).Then in John 3:16-21, verses 19, 20, & 21 are just moot points? Wouldn’t overlooking these verses & stopping at 18 be an incomplete understanding leading up to John 3:36? To understand your reasoning, there is no factor of good or evil so John 5:22-30 must also be moot.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Who are his children?

Anyone who loves who?

Matt. 23:9

You can claim love isn't within people but that is not love on your part

 

[Clare73]

So is Jesus wrong when He says “the good man” in Matthew 12:35 & Luke 6:45?

Did he say there that any good men actually existed?

With God all things are possible ( Matthew 19:26).

And with man they are impossible (Mt 19:26).

Therefore, man does not do them.

So if they are done, it is not by man, it is only by God enabling man to do so, and he does not enable all.

Then in John 3:16-21, verses 19, 20, & 21 are just moot points?

No, they are addressed to those in whom God is working.

With man this is impossible.

No one lives by the truth unless God enables him. . .and he does not enable all.

Wouldn’t overlooking these verses & stopping at 18 be an incomplete understanding leading up to John 3:36? To understand your reasoning, there is no factor of good or evil so John 5:22-30 must also be moot.

It is all moot to those to whom God does not give the power.

Jesus' words are spoken to those in whom God is working.
No one else can either receive or obey them (Jn 6:65, 3:3-5).

 

[Clare73]

Matt. 23:9

You can claim love isn't within people but that is not love on your part.

Love rejoices with the truth (1 Co 13:6), and the truth is that not everyone loves God. . .or there would be no one in hell.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Love rejoices with the truth (1 Co 13:6), and the truth is that not everyone loves God. . .or there would be no one in hell.

The scale of priority is that God loves us, not that we love God

1 John 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

 

[Clare73]

The scale of priority is that God loves us, not that we love God

1 John 4:10

Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Does that love keep everyone out of hell?

Your point?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Does that love keep everyone out of hell?

Your point?

Point is Jesus really is the savior of the world

 

[Clare73]

Point is Jesus really is the savior of the world

"World" there means all without distinction--Jew and Gentile.

It does not mean all without exception--everyone, for that contradicts the rest of the NT.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

"World" there means all without distinction--Jew and Gentile.

It does not mean all without exception--everyone, for that contradicts the rest of the NT.

Never claimed everyone. The devil and his messengers are going to eternal hell.

Currently the parties are overlapped in the flesh which makes it problematic to see or distinguish between the parties

But every person engages the tempter or his own within regardless of whether they know it or not. And ALL fail

 

[brassica]

If you thinking you are saved because of something you have done like being baptized, etc.... Then you are still in the same boat as your family of unbelievers.

Oh, absolutely not. But my question is more, if I have the slim chance to be saved thanks to opening my heart to the grace of God, it makes me feel sad that my family doesn’t even seem to get to have that chance; and so what can I do for them? Do they have any chance at all? (Though it seems like there is a lot of disagreement here on that)

 

[Aaron112]

Oh, absolutely not. But my question is more, if I have the slim chance to be saved thanks to opening my heart to the grace of God, it makes me feel sad that my family doesn’t even seem to get to have that chance; and so what can I do for them? Do they have any chance at all? (Though it seems like there is a lot of disagreement here on that)

A LOT of disagreement, a lot of errors, a lot of deception, worldwide, everywhere.

No matter what or where,
talking to the Creator of All Life is necessary.

 

[Aaron112]

Matt. 23:9

You can claim love isn't within people but that is not love on your part

But it may be, certainly, as most people's love , if they ever had love, has grown cold, as God Says.