Russia launches first ICBM in history in warfare.

[That Guy 11200]

Ever heard of the Prime Directive?

Anyway, it's already a given that if Russia ends up using a nuke, it will be blamed on Trump. Those who are for provoking nuclear weapons use always have a scapegoat in order to not take responsibility.

Starfleet wouldn't abandon its allies to terror.

Oh, your actual fear is that Trump will be blamed?

 

[That Guy 11200]

...in Putin's mind, Russia is vulnerable so long as NATO is at his doorstep. IMO, his long term goal is to restore Russian control over Eastern Europe, to include Ukraine, Poland, etc. An weakend and ineffective NATO would certainly be a boost to Putin's goal.

If Putin were worried about NATO, he wouldn't have pulled troops from the borders of NATO countries to use in meatwaves in Ukraine.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, it really isn't. Putin and other Russian leaders, and Russian government owned media have both talked about restoring the "Russian Empire." He even pushed the idea in his interview with Tucker Carlson, if you go back and listen, as his justification for invading Ukraine. If you listen to what Putin and his media is saying, it is clear they want to restore the Russian Empire which includes other countries, and portions of other countries, and will invade to restore Russia to greatness.

And if you don't like my sources, you can find plenty of others by doing a simple Internet search. One I found even talked of how Putin was trying to do it without invading countries, prior to the war in Ukraine, largely by economic and similar means -- with other articles, more recent, explaining how Putin ended up invading because Ukraine was forging ties with the West, not with Russia.

But if you look at what little progress Russia has had in getting Ukraine, and what it has cost to try, there's little to no chance of them suddenly deciding to invade any other country that has been well-equipped to resist a war-weary Russia.

 

[Aldebaran]

Starfleet wouldn't abandon its allies to terror.

Oh, your actual fear is that Trump will be blamed?

"Russia, Russia, Russia!"
It's not a fear. It's knowledge based on 8 years of experience watching the MSM.

 

[DaisyDay]

Ever heard of the Prime Directive?

In the original series, Star Fleet and the Enterprise violated the Prime Directive of non-interference on a regular basis. The made extinct two species that I remember - Nancy the Salt Monster (all they had to do was give her salt for her survival) and the giant amoeba. They patted themselves on the back for saving a single specimen of the earthly whales while being content with all the others going extinct.

Next Generation was a lot better about observing the directive, but broke it nonetheless. I didn't pay much attention to the others.

 

[DaisyDay]

But if you look at what little progress Russia has had in getting Ukraine, and what it has cost to try, there's little to no chance of them suddenly deciding to invade any other country that has been well-equipped to resist a war-weary Russia.

Were/are any other countries in the way of its pipelines to Europe?

 

[Aldebaran]

Were/are any other countries in the way of its pipelines to Europe?

No idea. Why?

 

[DaisyDay]

No idea. Why?

To see if your claim, "...there's little to no chance of them suddenly deciding to invade any other country that has been well-equipped to resist a war-weary Russia" had any substance to it. "Suddenly" aside, they traditionally are not adverse to throwing their weight around.

They are as warlike as we are. List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia
They are currently involved in wars in Ukraine, Syria, Mali, Central African Republic and Burkino Faso. Ukraine is the only current one on its border.

 

[Aldebaran]

To see if your claim, "...there's little to no chance of them suddenly deciding to invade any other country that has been well-equipped to resist a war-weary Russia" had any substance to it. "Suddenly" aside, they traditionally are not adverse to throwing their weight around.

They are as warlike as we are. List of wars involving Russia - Wikipedia
They are currently involved in wars in Ukraine, Syria, Mali, Central African Republic and Burkino Faso. Ukraine is the only current one on its border.

But the one in Ukraine is the most draining on their resources. They're running out of equipment, and also people to do the fighting. That would explain why they're now using North Korean troops.

 

[DaisyDay]

But the one in Ukraine is the most draining on their resources. They're running out of equipment, and also people to do the fighting. That would explain why they're now using North Korean troops.

Yes, this might not be going well for them. Some say that with the ruble collapsing in value, their economy is headed for high inflation and low growth - stagflation (remember our own late '70s?). Rumor has it that the North Koreans are not exactly enamored at being rented cannon fodder.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, this might not be going well for them. Some say that with the ruble collapsing in value, their economy is headed for high inflation and low growth - stagflation (remember our own late '70s?). Rumor has it that the North Koreans are not exactly enamored at being rented cannon fodder.

That's why I don't see Russia gearing up for a brand new invasion of any new country. The country they'd be going after would be fully-equipped to defend itself while Russia is using whatever is left over and it's military is ready for the whole thing to be over with. Even when the Ukraine war was getting started, it was clear that the Russian military members were against it. Tank crews were punching holes in their gas tanks along the way to avoid going into Ukraine. It's hard to imagine that after more than a year and a half they've suddenly become more inclined to fight against Ukraine, much less an additional country--especially a NATO one.

 

[Jamdoc]

Because he's smart enough not to publicly call out the future leader of the country supplying him with defensive weapons to help repel an unprovoked invasion.

He'd call it out if Trump's plan was to cut the funding and throw them under the bus to be conquered by Russia while Zelensky got executed or poisoned or thrown out of a window.

He's hopeful because Trump doesn't seem like he's going to throw Ukraine under the bus, that Trump can get better ceasefire terms than what Russia offers now

 

[KCfromNC]

He'd call it out if Trump's plan was to cut the funding and throw them under the bus to be conquered by Russia while Zelensky got executed or poisoned or thrown out of a window.

Trump has plans?

 

[DaisyDay]

That's why I don't see Russia gearing up for a brand new invasion of any new country. The country they'd be going after would be fully-equipped to defend itself while Russia is using whatever is left over and it's military is ready for the whole thing to be over with. Even when the Ukraine war was getting started, it was clear that the Russian military members were against it. Tank crews were punching holes in their gas tanks along the way to avoid going into Ukraine. It's hard to imagine that after more than a year and a half they've suddenly become more inclined to fight against Ukraine, much less an additional country--especially a NATO one.

I see your point and I think it stands until and unless the annexation of parts of Ukraine succeeds - as many thought it would, as some think it should.

If that should be, then Russia will gain resources, improved access to pipelines and shipping lanes - pretty much what it wanted. Should sanctions be lifted, their economy will rebound and they can see this as a worthwhile expense. Then, with this war successfully concluded, Russia may be emboldened to launch others, particularly if NATO were to be crippled by America's withdrawal.

 

[Jamdoc]

Trump has plans?

according to a lot of his supporters the plan was to throw Ukraine under the bus and let Russia just conquer them.

 

[Bradskii]

Trump has plans?

He has a concept of a plan.

 

[rambot]

I have a feeling that Putin may try a different tactic with Europe.

Have you seen what has happenned in the Romanian elections? It's been made patently clear that in old soviet block countries, Putin/Soviet loyalists will quite brazenly cheat/ruin elections. My guess is that weak russia, with a strong online bot/hacker/troll farms will find much BETTER way to take their enemy down....and one that requires no russian lives lost.

 

[Vambram]

White House pressing Ukraine to draft 18-year-olds so it has enough troops to battle Russia

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f

President Joe Biden’s administration is urging Ukraine to quickly increase the size of its military by drafting more troops and revamping its mobilization laws to allow for the conscription of those as young as 18.

A senior Biden administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the private consultations, said Wednesday that the outgoing Democratic administration wants Ukraine to lower the mobilization age to 18 from the current age of 25 to expand the pool of fighting-age men available to help a badly outnumbered Ukraine in its nearly three-year-old war with Russia.

The official said “the pure math” of Ukraine’s situation now is that it needs more troops in the fight. Currently Ukraine is not mobilizing or training enough soldiers to replace its battlefield losses while keeping pace with Russia’s growing military, the official added.

The White House has pushed more than $56 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the start of Russia’s February 2022 invasion and expects to send billions more to Kyiv before Biden leaves office in less than months.

 

[Jamdoc]

It is kind of a desperate situation as Russia is replenishing its reserves with North Korean soldiers now and nobody will send soldiers to fight for Ukraine in large numbers, just odd mercenaries here and there but they need tens of thousands.
But, Nobody will because Russia threatens nuclear retaliation for it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

He has a concept of a plan.

Almost. He's formulating a concept of a plan.

President-elect Donald Trump said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is ready for “peace” as he dished on his meetings with world leaders

“I’m formulating a concept of how to end that ridiculous war,” he said.