Revelation 20:3 Satan's Little Season, During The Tribulation.

[ewq1938]

The trumpets have sounded 1-6 before the 6th seal is opened.

The obvious problem with that belief is scripture states all 7 seals are opened before the angels are even given trumpets.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

 

[ewq1938]

Scripture clearly teaches this non literal 1000 years is in the Lords spiritual realm, yet you want to drag this event to earth, with mortal humans running around, why and why?

Uh, your 1000 years has mortals running around too except Satan isn't imprisoned in yours and Christ is not ruling with his resurrected saints with a rod of iron like they should be. Your thousand years is jut the same old chaotic disaster of a world since sin began. Ours however matches scripture of an Earthly Kingdom of peace and saints who are immortal ruling over the nations just as it is written.

 

[DavidPT]

Wait a minute. Are you insisting that a bottomless pit is a literal place, then perhaps if you will please explain to readers whether you will see a star as a literal object in order to open it? Exactly what is this star and how will it carry a literal key to open the pit? And then explain about the furnace? Is it literal too? It is about air pollution out of the pit so thick that it darkened the sun? Do you honestly think these will happen the way you expect these to take place?

Gonna to be interesting to see how you can interpret Revelation 9 biblically to justify that a bottomless pit is a literal place.

You obviously fail to grasp how things work. Take the following for example. It's raining cats and dogs outside. So according to your bizarre way of reasoning things, since the cats and dogs part isn't meant to be taken literally, nothing in that phrase is to be taken literally, including the rain and the outside.

As far as the star falling from heaven, we know from other Scripture that stars sometimes symbolizes angels in the book of Revelation. It is then not farfetched to interpret that verse like such----And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw an angel fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.


As to the bottomless pit though, if it symbolizes something the same way stars sometimes symbolize angels, then by all means, present the Scriptures showing what it symbolizes. But if you can't, you can't prove it's not a real place any more than I can prove it is.

 

[Truth7t7]

Uh, your 1000 years has mortals running around too except Satan isn't imprisoned in yours and Christ is not ruling with his resurrected saints with a rod of iron like they should be. Your thousand years is jut the same old chaotic disaster of a world since sin began. Ours however matches scripture of an Earthly Kingdom of peace and saints who are immortal ruling over the nations just as it is written.

Revelation 20:1-6 has no mortal, earthly, kingdom that you identify?

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm Of The Lord Seen.

As stated previously, there is no literal time in this realm, one day is a thousand years applies in the Lords spiritual. 2 Peter 3:8

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 20:1-6 has no mortal, earthly, kingdom that you identify?

Except there is.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.


Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Again, the nations will be ruled over which cannot happen if they are all dead.

There are things Jesus has to accomplish when he returns:

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

He has to put down all rule and authority and power which is putting his enemies under his foot:

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.


That is the rule of the rod of iron with his saints and it lasts a thousand years and that thousand years does not begin until he returns according to Rev 20 and Rev 2.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

The nations will come and worship before Christ.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[DavidPT]

Except there is.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.


Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Again, the nations will be ruled over which cannot happen if they are all dead.

There are things Jesus has to accomplish when he returns:

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

He has to put down all rule and authority and power which is putting his enemies under his foot:

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.


That is the rule of the rod of iron with his saints and it lasts a thousand years and that thousand years does not begin until he returns according to Rev 20 and Rev 2.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

The nations will come and worship before Christ.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

If only Amils could show why they conclude what they do, the same way you did here, by illustrating how all of these passages connect, maybe we might get somewhere at that point. Even though there has been a time or two in the past where I almost switched to Amil, I have to wonder why though, especially in light of posts such as yours here.

 

[Truth7t7]

Except there is.

Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

That is the second coming.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

After "the end" comes, there is given power over the nations to those that are overcomers which naturally includes those who "are alive and remain" at the second coming. They will be given power over the nations.

Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

After the second coming and after "the end" will the overcomers be given power over the nations, ruling them with a rod of iron. That proves the rod of iron rule over the nations does not even start until Christ has returned and has given overcomers this power to rule over the nations.


Rev_19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Again, the nations will be ruled over which cannot happen if they are all dead.

There are things Jesus has to accomplish when he returns:

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

He has to put down all rule and authority and power which is putting his enemies under his foot:

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.


That is the rule of the rod of iron with his saints and it lasts a thousand years and that thousand years does not begin until he returns according to Rev 20 and Rev 2.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

The nations will come and worship before Christ.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Living and reigning with Christ in the "Spiritual Realm" does not equate to a earthly kingdom for a 1000 years.

Those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are souls, the dead.

Your gonna have to look elsewhere for your earthly kingdom, cause it ain't there.

 

[Douggg]

Really? If it is irrelevant then why did God wanted us to know about this bottomless pit, then?

Knowing it's location is irrelevant to the context of the verses in which it is mentioned.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Knowing it's location is irrelevant to the context of the verses in which it is mentioned.

It's irrelevant cuz you don't know the answer.

 

[DavidPT]

Those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are souls, the dead.

And what does it clearly and very plainly say about those souls, the dead? but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When are you planning on making sense of that part for us? Do you perhaps agree with Catholics, that it's ok to pray to dead saints now dwelling in heaven? If they are in heaven being priests of God and of Christ, it should be ok to pray to them, right?

 

[TribulationSigns]

irrelevant

First, you insisted that a bottomless pit is a physical place but now you were saying its irrelevant now because you really do not know what it really is and its purpose.

[Staff edit]. It is very clear both contextually and textually that there is no room for a future 1000 year reign of Christ "on earth" after the tribulation. Not according to scripture. For the second coming of Christ signals the judgment and the rapture, not a new reign of Christ on earth. Christ currently reigns in heaven since Pentecost with the souls of the martyrs who have died, and we are also spiritually reigning with Christ currently (Col. 1:13, Rom. 5:17) as kings and Priests unto our God. Though many choose to ignore these biblical truths, we cannot lean unto our own understandings and traditions. The Word of God is definitive, trustworthy, and explicitly (not implicitly) teaching the Kingdom of Christ is now. Everywhere you look in scripture the reign of Christ now, is evident. Sadly, it is typical that Pretribulation Theorists are the ones insisting we have to take this verse absolutely literally for what it says with faulty interpretation for the bottomless pit. It looks like it is time for me to explain what Scripture said about the bottomless pit, but first, let examine the verse:

Revelation 20:1

• "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand".

It is important to remember that chapter 20 was introduced by the phrase, "And (or Then) I saw an angel come down from heaven..." This is NOT indicating that John is now having a vision of events that happen after the events in Chapter 19. It is just the introduction of a new vision that John was seeing. This is obviously a different vision from chapter 19, and there is NOTHING in Scripture which would have anyone believe the events in the chapters of Revelation go along "chronologically." In fact, the Scripture precludes it.

Anyway, The word, "angel" here is the Greek word [aggelos] means MESSENGER and it the "exact" same word translated messenger throughout the New Testament Scripture. This Messenger who came down from heaven with the key and great chain to bind Satan, a spirit, is no one but God's anointed Messenger Jesus Christ because he received all power.

Matthew 28:18-19

• "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
  
  
• Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Because of this Messenger (aggelos) from heaven, Satan cannot thwart the building of God's kingdom with the chosen spoiled from among the nations, because he has been bound from doing so! That power of binding is what symbolism of the key, the chain, and the bottomless pit!

So please pay attention...

Satan is a spirit. He cannot be bound with a literal chain of iron or locked in a physical pit with a literal iron bar and gate, with a literal brass key. We must remember that Satan is a SPIRIT which cannot be bound by literal earthly devices. The keys and chains have spiritual significance. It is for God to paint a spiritual picture for us. Not something for us to private interpret with earthly things here.

The key here symbolizes that the Messenger now has the RIGHT and AUTHORITY to BIND and LOOSE. This is what the key SIGNIFIES of. This messenger comes down from heaven holds the right and authority and means (key) to bind Satan. In other words, "He who holds the key, holds the ability and authority to retrain Satan SPECIFICALLY for the sake of His Church, not the world." However, that would also include the ability and authority to loose Satan from THAT restraint as a purpose of judgment upon unfaithful church prior to Second Coming.

Now the chain symbolizes the power (force or energy required to do the holding) to bind. It is a "great" chain because Satan is a powerful spiritual and strong adversary, upon whom only a great or special binding from God will restrain.

The bottomless pit is symbolism for a boundless void (or Abyss) of nothingness. It is not a literal place but rather signifies that Satan, a spirit, is held in idleness, that his ability to prevent the Gentiles from being saved (spoiled) by Christ with the power of Holy Spirit. In other words, Satan can't prevent it while Christ builds His Church. This does not mean Satan is physically bound so that there will be no war on Earth. Satan is still a prince of the air and rules over unsaved people, but he was restrained or held down SPECIFICALLY for all who are to be sealed are sealed (saved), Revelation 7:1-4. Christ paid the wage of sin, FOR HIS PEOPLE, not everyone on earth. That is why Christ restrained Satan FOR HIS PEOPLE until all have been sealed FIRST. In other words, once the fulness of the Gentiles is coming in, Christ will then allow Satan be loosened. For what purpose? To deceive the nations (Gentiles) once again since the salvation has ended and a time for judgment of unfaithful congregation.

"But," you may say, "what about the star fall from heaven the one who opened the bottomless pit?"

Rev 9:1-2

• And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
• And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

Don't forget that it is God who has defined the star as the messenger of the Church, Revelation 1:20! And the key signifies authority. The star falling from his heavenly place (the Kingdom of Heaven, not Third Heaven) signifies that the unfaithful church has fallen from his enlightenment into the apostasy of the world. The star that has lost their light, no longer have a place in the kingdom, in that they have fallen to the earth. There is only desolation left for them. It is because they no longer love the truth. For example, in the time of great tribulation when the congregations are being ruled by more and more false prophets and christs who has replaced the Truth with their own doctrine and entertainments.

Matthew 18:18

• Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Remember only Christ can bind and loose, but He uses this language because he works out the plans He has made in heaven, through men living on earth. By extension, God works through people. And just as he works through us to save, he works through these stars to feed the people with wormwood, as judgment. This is the falling away. it is analogous as to when God would send heathen armies that lived around Israel to attack and subjugate them. Truly it was God working to judge Israel, but he used people to do what He said he would do. So when he said to Israel, "I will destroy you," he did, but he did it through people.

Because of her unfaithfulness, God gave the key to the church as star falling so it will be because of her rebellious actions that will be responsible for helping to loosen Satan as a judgment UPON THEM! Any people who are going to church, NOT SEALED YET BY GOD, will be judged that they will not find salvation even if they thought they did, Revelation 9:4-6. This is how God judges his unfaithful congregation this way so these people will believe a lie BECAUSE they did not love the truth and buy whatever the false prophets and christs are selling there! Just like Joel Osteen is doing to his congregation!

2Th 2:9-11

• Even him [false prophets/christ], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
• And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
• And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

The whole purpose of Satan binding is so that Church could be built FIRST with Christ sealing HIS people. Once all of Christ's Elect has been sealed, Christ will allow Satan to be loosened and be revealed to the Elect as we can "see" that Satan is longer restrained by Christ so he could work through the false prophets and christs to deceive those IN the church as a judgment so that they will NOT find salvation. This is great tribulation FOR God's Elect during this time!

2Th 2:5-8

• Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
• And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
• For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
• And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

 

[Douggg]

First, you insisted that a bottomless pit is a physical place but now you were saying its irrelevant now because you really do not know what it really is and its purpose.

What I wrote for us knowing the location is irrelevant to the the content of the verses.

There are countless questions that could be asked about the bottomless pit. Like is there light in the bottomless pit? And if so where does it come from? What is the temperature in the bottomless pit?
Does the bottomless pit have air? And if so, what is the makeup? How much oxygen, how much nitrogen? etc. etc.

But those questions are not relevant to the content of the verses. Stick with what is written in the verses.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[Truth7t7]

And what does it clearly and very plainly say about those souls, the dead? but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

When are you planning on making sense of that part for us? Do you perhaps agree with Catholics, that it's ok to pray to dead saints now dwelling in heaven? If they are in heaven being priests of God and of Christ, it should be ok to pray to them, right?

Glad to see your catching on Dave, your 100% correct in stating the saints seen in Revelation 20:4 are in heaven reigning.

Sad to see that you move to false accusations of myself practicing idolatry and being a Roman Catholic, sorry to let ya down but I'm neither."Smiles"

I'm just a God fearing Christian, trying to do what's right in the Lord's eyes.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm