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Race and gun control laws

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Shaneen Allen, race and gun control - The Washington Post

Last October, Shaneen Allen, 27, was pulled over in Atlantic County, N.J. The officer who pulled her over says she made an unsafe lane change. During the stop, Allen informed the officer that she was a resident of Pennsylvania and had a conceal carry permit in her home state. She also had a handgun in her car. Had she been in Pennsylvania, having the gun in the car would have been perfectly legal. But Allen was pulled over in New Jersey, home to some of the strictest gun control laws in the United States.

Allen is a black single mother. She has two kids. She has no prior criminal record. Before her arrest, she worked as a phlebobotomist. After she was robbed two times in the span of about a year, she purchased the gun to protect herself and her family. There is zero evidence that Allen intended to use the gun for any other purpose. Yet Allen was arrested. She spent 40 days in jail before she was released on bail. She’s now facing a felony charge that, if convicted, would bring a three-year mandatory minimum prison term.

At first blush, much about Allen’s case seems counterintuitive. When we think about the gun control debate, we typically picture progressive pundits, politicians and activists arguing with white, conservative activists and politicians representing rural interests. When I first posted her story to Twitter, a couple of progressive responders predicted that because Allen is a black single mother, the gun rights community would all but ignore her. But that hasn’t been true at all. In fact, Allen has become something of a rallying point for gun rights activists. She is being represented by Evan Nappen, an attorney who specializes in gun cases and is a gun rights activist himself. Some conservatives have similarly accused progressives of ignoring Allen’s case because she stands accused of a gun crime. It’s certainly true that her case has received much more attention from the right than the left. But Nappen says he has seen plenty of support for her from racial justice groups, too.

As it turns out, Allen’s case isn’t unusual at all. Although white people occasionally do become the victims of overly broad gun laws (for example, see the outrageous prosecution of Brian Aitken, also in New Jersey), the typical person arrested for gun crimes is more likely to have the complexion of Shaneen Allen than, say, Sarah Palin. Last year, 47.3 percent of those convicted for federal gun crimes were black — a racial disparity larger than any other class of federal crimes, including drug crimes. In a 2011 report on mandatory minimum sentencing for gun crimes, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that blacks were far more likely to be charged and convicted of federal gun crimes that carry mandatory minimum sentences. They were also more likely to be hit with “enhancement” penalties that added to their sentences. In fact, the racial discrepancy for mandatory minimums was even higher than the aforementioned disparity for federal gun crimes in general:



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Some on the law-and-order right will argue here that the disproportionate number of arrests, convictions and mandatory minimum sentences for black offenders is merely a reflection of the fact that black people are disproportionately likely to commit these sorts of crimes. Progressives will argue that the disparity reflects institutional racism in the criminal justice system. There’s some truth to both. But there’s no disputing the figures.

Much of this boils down to professional discretion. When a person victimizes another person with a gun, the offending person has already committed a crime. And in nearly every state and under federal law, it is already an additional crime to use or possess a gun while doing something that is already a crime. So when gun control advocates say we need to crack down on gun offenders, or when they propose that we create new gun crimes, they aren’t suggesting we crack down on people who use guns to rob banks or to commit murders. We already go after those people. What they’re proposing is that we target people who possess, sell or transport guns not because they want to hurt people with them, but for reasons ranging from what most reasonable people would believe to be justifiable (like Shaneen Allen) to what gun control proponents would likely consider objectionable (the gun shop owners and gun manufacturers who make money selling weapons).

If you’re an advocate for gun control, you could certainly argue that the tradeoff here is worth it. There’s an argument to be made that we still need to target irresponsible gun owners and gun merchants, even if they aren’t using guns to victimize people, because their guns could end up in the hands of people who do. But if you’re going to make that argument, you also need to understand that prosecuting people under these circumstances means that we’ll be putting more people in prison. And who those people are will reflect all of the biases, prejudices and predispositions present in the laws we already have.

It will also mean giving a lot more discretion to law enforcement officials and prosecutors. When someone robs a bank with a gun or kills someone with a gun, there’s no debate about who needs to be investigated and prosecuted. When a police agency is charged to seek out and prosecute people who are illegally possessing or transferring guns, they’re required to use their own discretion when it comes to what communities to target and what methods they’ll use to target them.

Inevitably, this will manifest as sting operations against communities with little political clout. (Or, just as troubling, deliberately targeting people for political reasons.) Just this week, an incredible investigation by USA Today reporter Brad Heath demonstrated just how this plays out in the real world:

The nation’s top gun-enforcement agency overwhelmingly targeted racial and ethnic minorities as it expanded its use of controversial drug sting operations, a USA TODAY investigation shows.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has more than quadrupled its use of those stings during the past decade, quietly making them a central part of its attempts to combat gun crime. The operations are designed to produce long prison sentences for suspects enticed by the promise of pocketing as much as $100,000 for robbing a drug stash house that does not actually exist.

At least 91% of the people agents have locked up using those stings were racial or ethnic minorities, USA TODAY found after reviewing court files and prison records from across the United States. Nearly all were either black or Hispanic. That rate is far higher than among people arrested for big-city violent crimes, or for other federal robbery, drug and gun offenses.

The ATF operations raise particular concerns because they seek to enlist suspected criminals in new crimes rather than merely solving old ones, giving agents and their underworld informants unusually wide latitude to select who will be targeted. In some cases, informants said they identified targets for the stings after simply meeting them on the street.

Heath points out that a federal judge recently accused the agency of “trolling poor neighborhoods” in search of patsies. In some cases, the ATF — the federal agency that exists to fight gun crime — actually supplied its targets with the guns the agents would then arrest them for using to rob stash houses — which were also set up by the ATF.

In April of last year, the Milwuakee Journal Sentinel reported that ATF agents in Milwaukee had set up a fake store front, then convinced a black man with brain damage to set up illegal gun and drug sales. They later arrested him for those crimes. At the time, the ATF told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel that the sting was an isolated incident. It wasn’t. The paper later discovered similar sting operations targeting minorities and mentally disabled people all over the country.

In the 1990s, gun rights activists accused the ATF of explicitly targeting people for their advocacy (with plenty of evidence to back their claims), often with violent and destructive raids on their homes. You needn’t be a Second Amendment purist to understand the implications of using the discretion that comes with enforcing victimless crimes to target people for their political views, any more than you need to be a racial justice activist to understand the injustice of using the same discretion and the same laws to primarily target people of color, people whose mental capacity makes them particularly susceptible to persuasion, or people who lack the clout or resources to defend themselves.

One could argue that the gun laws don’t need to be enforced in a racially discriminatory manner or in the catastrophically inept manner we’ve seen at the ATF. But you enforce the gun laws with the institutions you have, not the institutions you want. If we’re going to enforce gun laws that require discretion on the part of investigators and prosecutors — and add new laws to boot — we can only consider the demonstrated history of how investigators and prosecutors have used that discretion, not some idealized prosecutor or ATF investigator that we’d want to be in charge.

Discretion is a a big factor in the Allen case, too. According to Nappen, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain could have put Allen in a diversionary program for first-time offenders of victimless crimes that would have allowed her to avoid jail time. He didn’t. “Let’s remember, Shaneen Allen volunteered to the police officer that she had a gun and a permit,” Nappen says. “This isn’t something she was trying to hide. She didn’t think she’d done anything wrong. This was a victimless crime, and it’s just unconscionable that they’re putting her and her family through all of this. It could all be avoided.” Nappen says McClain has yet to give a reason for refusing to allow Allen into the diversionary program. McClain’s office did not respond to a request for comment.

The ATF is of course a federal agency. Shaneen Allen was arrested under New Jersey law. Nappen says he doesn’t know of any demographic data on gun arrests and prosecutions in New Jersey, but it’s an area of law in which he specializes, and he says by his estimate, the state figures probably mirror the federal data. “The institutional racism in our gun control laws is rampant. t goes back to the post Civil War era, when the laws were passed to keep black people and American Indians from arming themselves.” Nappen adds that the national gun control laws passed in the late 1960s were in response to racial riots taking place across the country. It’s a sentiment echoed by the progressive author and investigative reporter Robert Sherrill, who conceded in his book “The Saturday Night Special” that the laws were more about “black control” than gun control, and more recently in Nicholas Johnson’s just-published book, “Negroes and the Gun.” It’s also worth noting that the crime control policy most well-known, widely loathed and roundly condemned by racial justice activists — the New York Police Department’s stop-and-frisk policy — is at heart a gun control initiative. Its most high-profile champion is former mayor Michael Bloomberg, also a high-profile proponent of gun control laws like those in New Jersey.

Of course, none of this necessarily means that gun control advocates are wrong. It’s certainly possible that despite these flaws, a more robust system of gun control in the United States could net more good than harm. But make no mistake, more gun laws and more enforcement of victimless gun crimes will mean more people in prison. Those new prisoners will be disproportionately black and Hispanic. These realities need to be part of the discussion.

As for Shaneen Allen, Nappen says he is still hoping that McClain has a change of heart and allows her to enter the diversion program. If not, they will go to trial. Nappen says Allen is also protected by an amnesty period passed into law that allowed gun owners to surrender their weapons from August 2013 to February 2014 without fear of punishment. Whether Allen technically “surrendered” her weapon is a legal question. But if she is denied that defense, she will almost certainly go to trial, and under New Jersey’s gun law, she will have no real defense. Unless her jury engages in a defiant act of nullification, she will be convicted, and her trial judge will have no choice but to sentence her to the three-year minimum. At that point, her only hope will be to appeal to the New Jersey governor for clemency or a pardon. Current New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie commuted the sentence for Brian Aitken, whom Nappen also represented. Aitken’s case inspired a lot of outrage, but it didn’t result in any change in the law. So we’re back to discretion.

Discretion is a double-edged sword. Used properly, it can help avoid the unjust outcomes that will fall through the cracks when applying a uniform criminal code to a large population. But when enforcing victimless crimes, police and prosecutorial discretion can quickly become a tool of injustice, even of systematic oppression. Unless the laws like those in New Jersey are changed, people like Brian Aitken and Shaneen Allen will continue to be wholly at the mercy and discretion of police, prosecutors and governors —and thus subject to all the biases and prejudices of the people who hold those positions.

CORRECTION: This post originally identified Allen as a phlebologist. She is actually a phlebotomist.
 

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What happened to her is unfortunate. But, as a gun owner, if I'm traveling out of state, I check the gun laws of the other state. If it's not legal for me to carry there, I don't bring my gun. A responsible gun owner is one who knows the laws of where they're traveling to. It's really that simple.
 
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I find it hard to believe that people that are so paranoid that they need a gun to feel safe will leave their security blanket at home when they visit states that don’t allow them to protect themselves from the bad guys that are hiding everywhere and out to kill them.
 
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I find it hard to believe that people that are so paranoid that they need a gun to feel safe will leave their security blanket at home when they visit states that don’t allow them to protect themselves from the bad guys that are hiding everywhere and out to kill them.

Well, I'm not paranoid, for one thing. I'm also a law abiding citizen, for another thing.

So maybe you need to rethink your stereotypes.
 
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Not everything is about you.

Hmm. I respond that I wouldn't carry my gun into another state if I wasn't allowed and you respond that you find it hard to believe that paranoid people would just leave their gun at home because they can't carry it in other states.

Boy, that's some coincidence.
 
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Unfortunately, PA gun laws are among the least restrictive on the East Coast. To open carry does not require a permit (except in Philly) and the permit to conceal is like $20 or $25 dollars with no requirement for a class.

The value of a class in this case, would have been that it would have covered interstate travel . As it stands, going from Pittsburgh to West Virginia her permit would have been honored and there would be no crime. Though most of the country honors PA permits, WV is the only state that shares a border with PA, which honors PA permits (at this time).

Gotta run. . . ..
 
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Hmm. I respond that I wouldn't carry my gun into another state if I wasn't allowed and you respond that you find it hard to believe that paranoid people would just leave their gun at home because they can't carry it in other states.

Boy, that's some coincidence.

And all these various threads about race, guns, New Jersey, and gun laws of various states are because a paranoid person took a gun to Atlantic City. So yes, a coincidence.
 
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And all these various threads about race, guns, New Jersey, and gun laws of various states are because a paranoid person took a gun to Atlantic City. So yes, a coincidence.

Fair enough on the coincidence. I have no reason to doubt you.

But what makes this particular person paranoid?
 
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Fair enough on the coincidence. I have no reason to doubt you.

But what makes this particular person paranoid?

Why did she need to buy the gun a week or so before going to Atlantic City and feel the need to take it?
Was she planning on stopping a casino or bank robbery? There is only ONE rest stop on the AC parkway and it always has NJ state patrol there and is quite safe.
 
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Why did she need to buy the gun a week or so before going to Atlantic City and feel the need to take it?

Coincidence maybe? (sorry, couldn't help it)

I don't know, but that doesn't mean she was paranoid. Could've been the timing of purchasing the gun, getting the license, etc.
 
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True, but hollow points are for killing, not target shooting.



Off topic sort of because I just found out the date the traffic stop occurred. I was driving on the same road this took place on that date, going back to cape May, NJ from Michigan to finish my last month of active duty and retire. I could have possibly seen the traffic stop. Weird.
 
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Unfortunately, PA gun laws are among the least restrictive on the East Coast. To open carry does not require a permit (except in Philly) and the permit to conceal is like $20 or $25 dollars with no requirement for a class.

The value of a class in this case, would have been that it would have covered interstate travel . As it stands, going from Pittsburgh to West Virginia her permit would have been honored and there would be no crime. Though most of the country honors PA permits, WV is the only state that shares a border with PA, which honors PA permits (at this time).

Gotta run. . . ..

I was wondering about this very thing. Where I live, Maine, a class is required. Those that I know that have attended this class all say the same thing, that the instructors greatly emphasize legal awareness including interstate travel.
 
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IDK ...just because Mr Obama is black and I'm white with a firearm... does that mean it's race against me?

Rand Paul's latest rant:

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Dear Fellow Patriot,

Anti-gun statists around the globe believe they have it made.

The United Nations is done with its dirty work finalizing the details of their so-called "Small Arms Treaty."

With the full backing of the Obama administration for this outrageous anti-gun scheme from day one, time is running out until an all-out Senate ratification showdown on the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty."

If you and I are going to beat this Treaty, we simply must fight back NOW before it’s too late.

I’m doing everything I can to help expose the TRUTH about this radical scheme.

But today I’m asking you to join me by taking a public stand against the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty" by signing the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey right away.

With the national media still pushing anti-gun propaganda after the horrific tragedy in Connecticut, President Obama and his anti-Second Amendment pals believe the timing has never been better to ram through the U.N.’s global gun control crown jewel.

Reading through the details of the Treaty, it’s hard to see how our Second Amendment could survive such an assault.


In fact, Article V of the Treaty mandates countries establish a "National Control List" -- or NATIONAL GUN REGISTRATION database!

You and I both know gun registration is just the first step toward outright CONFISCATION.

But the truth is, the U.N. is already plotting the next step -- developing new "International Small Arms Control Standards" (ISACS). Their goal is to impose these radical anti-gun initiatives on every nation who signs the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty."

Introductory language already includes:
*** Mandated national "screening" for all persons seeking to own guns, giving bureaucrats the final say on whether or not you’re "competent" enough to own a gun;
*** Licenses for gun and ammo sales, and perhaps even bans on certain types of firearms. This could include anything from semi-auto rifles to shotguns to handguns!
*** Restrictions on how many guns and ammo any properly-licensed individual may legally own;
*** Bans on magazines holding more than ten rounds;
*** Bans on owning a firearm for self-defense -- unless a citizen can somehow demonstrate need and get federal government approval.
That’s why your IMMEDIATE action is so important.


To those who think government holds all the answers, the United States isn’t a "shining city on a hill" -- it’s an affront to their grand "utopian" designs for all of us.

And as long as Americans remain free to make our own decisions without being bossed around by bureaucrats, those who want big government on a global scale will be out of luck.

That’s why I was so excited to see the National Association for Gun Rights leading the fight to stop the U.N.’s so-called "Small Arms Treaty!"

Their efforts over the past few months have stymied President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid every time they’ve sought to ram gun control through the Senate.

In fact, without NAGR’s bare-knuckled, no-compromise tactics, I believe President Obama would have already succeeded in passing any number of anti-Second Amendment schemes.

But the truth is, NAGR depends on the action and support of good folks like you for their effectiveness.

So will you join them by going on record AGAINST global gun control and sign the Official Firearms Sovereignty Survey today?


Thanks to the help of good folks like you, the National Association for Gun Rights has taken the lead role in Washington, D.C. beating back gun control schemes.

But the stakes couldn’t be higher with the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty." So there’s no time to waste.

After all, the last thing President Obama wants is for you and me to have time to mobilize gun owners to defeat this radical agenda.

The gun control crowd has made that mistake before, and we’ve made them pay, defeating EVERY attempt to ram the U.N. "Small Arms Treaty" into law since the mid-1990s.

Already, parts of the U.N.’s radical agenda are slipping through covertly. In fact, Obama’s State Department even bragged that Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious are implementations of the U.N. anti-Second Amendment agenda!

Then you and I saw President Obama issue a flurry of anti-gun executive orders in the wake of the Connecticut tragedy targeting law-abiding gun owners.

Once President Obama decides the time is ripe to submit the Treaty, this fight is going to move FAST.

So if you and I are going to defeat this U.N. Treaty, we have to turn the heat up on Congress right now before it’s too late!
1. Do you believe the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment are the supreme law of the land?
2. Do you believe any attempt by the United Nations to subvert or supersede your Constitutional rights must be opposed?
If you said "Yes!" to these questions, please sign the survey the National Association for Gun Rights has prepared for you.
 
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I was wondering about this very thing. Where I live, Maine, a class is required. Those that I know that have attended this class all say the same thing, that the instructors greatly emphasize legal awareness including interstate travel.

Yup, when I was a PA resident, I went to the County Office's website and printed off a form, filled it out at home. . . . went in to said office with my completed form, they finger-printed me, ran the same background check as a purchase (NICS) and then took a picture for my permit. I paid the $20 or $25 (I don't recall, its been more than a decade) and they gave me my permit to conceal. It took less than 20 minutes & the only info (like you'd get in a class) was a couple pamphlets and a complementary trigger lock with instructions. Incidentally, all guns sold in PA are required to be sold with a locking device, which is a pretty cool idea. I don't think it woulda helped the NJ travel-lady. . . . but if her gun had a cable lock through the action , it would be a whole lot easier to argue for peaceable journey-type consideration.
 
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Incidentally, all guns sold in PA are required to be sold with a locking device, which is a pretty cool idea. I don't think it woulda helped the NJ travel-lady. . . . but if her gun had a cable lock through the action , it would be a whole lot easier to argue for peaceable journey-type consideration.
The peaceable journey requires that the gun be unloaded and locked away, but she had it loaded and in her purse. She was from PA, so she might've gotten a locking device - whether she used it or not, I don't know.
 
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The peaceable journey requires that the gun be unloaded and locked away, but she had it loaded and in her purse. She was from PA, so she might've gotten a locking device - whether she used it or not, I don't know.

What I was meaning was, peaceable journey laws need to be re-written to allow someone lawfully carrying to pass from that state, through a restrictive state and back into a state where they'd be lawfully carrying in, without changing the manner in which the firearm is carried. Most handgun related accidents occur when a firearm is unholstered and the action is cycled for whatever reason. If a handgun is left in its holster (or purse) the chances of a negligent discharge (inadvertent firing brought on by operator error and/ or failure to follow one or more of the four rules of firearms safety) are beyond minimal. Taking a firearm out of its holster (or purse) and unloading it, installing a lock and putting it in a different portion of the car provides an opportunity for user error both when making it safe for entry into a restrictive state and when returning it to useful upon returning to a free state. Additionally, having the firearm out (to unload it and install a lock) opens the user up to being mistaken for hostile (by cops or citizens) being strong arm robbed for the firearm if an observant thug notices a person in possession of a now unloaded firearm, neither of which exist if the firearm remains in its place of concealment, unmolested, and the Carrying individual just passes through.
 
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I find it hard to believe that people that are so paranoid that they need a gun to feel safe will leave their security blanket at home when they visit states that don’t allow them to protect themselves from the bad guys that are hiding everywhere and out to kill them.
You don't have to be paranoid to carry a gun to Atlantic City NJ. It would be wise.
But that isn't part of this story. She'd only had the gun a week and forgot about it, it had three locks on it. She had to tell the cops how to get it unlocked.

but thanks for caring...
 
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