Psychic ability and Christians

[Postvieww]

Some people describe the possibility of various psychic ability... I wonder how Christians relate to that.
If you had psychic ability.. works you use it, or would it always be a bad thing? Could it every be a good thing?

If it’s not from God do we really need to explain where it comes from? Revelations either come from God or the evil one there is no middle man here.

 

[johansen]

If it’s not from God do we really need to explain where it comes from? Revelations either come from God or the evil one there is no middle man here.

Dr rebecca browns book he came to set the captives free has some pretty unbelievable stuff in it.

Short version is yes, there is a third place. Human spirits.

She says they are the most difficult ones to deal with because they are not afraid of Jesus.

12 years or more ago i had a pre birth experience and i found a conference of such things, on youtube. One woman started her testimony with a warning saying: "when i was 5 years old i learned how to leave my body, i got really good at it. Till a male voice speaking with authority told me "get back into your body and never do that again".

So anyhow.. a 5 year old learned all on her own...how to go places and see things.. whatever she wanted. We usually call this astral projecting.

I have a little bit of experience with this stuff. 4 different people, one of which i work with now.

The solution is to pray as God leads, and the person doing it will quit, or not be allowed to influence you.

 

[Maori Aussie]

I do "dowsing" or "water divining" when I am digging holes near infrastructure. I use cut coat hangers (magnetic steel), but I also detect plastic pipes if any water is flowing in them at all, and during drought, even large tree roots. I checked online (back in the day) and there was a big study by Hamburg University that says there is no scientific evidence behind dowsing detecting non-magnetic materials, so spiritually I became a bit concerned. I am aware of commercial "studfinders". In the end I decided to 1: only do it for free and 2: to always pray for Gods guidance each and every time before starting. I would never use a swinging pendulum; I just want to know where the underground pipes run... I just googled stud finders. They measure "changes in capacitance generated by density difference". Whew!

 

[johansen]

I do "dowsing" or "water divining" when I am digging holes near

Recently i read an account where everyone in the family, including the 6 yr old, dowsed the same place on the property. They did finally hit water there. It wasnt perfectly double blind but close. I hope the 6 yr old didnt get traumatized under too much pressure to find the water because it was a bit of a desperate situation, you can waste a years or two wages sometimes before you are forced to give up on a property.

I have read every reply on a certain forum on dowsing. Its about a third say it works, a third say it doesnt, another third say i dont know, seen both.

My neighbor says he's done it.

I cant take it seriously. I would just ask God where to drill a well. (And that conversation needs to start with...should i be doing it in the first place...!) -but i also know a lot of christians who dont hear from God clearly or very often and often make major life decisions without clear verbal instruction.. including myself.

Water divining elicits strong opinions amongst christians. I do not believe it is demonic.

I actually need to make a decision on drilling my own well or paying 25,000 usd to hook up to the existing city water main in my front yard. Currently im on a shared well with the neighbor and the water quality is not the best because its too close to a creek.

 

[Maori Aussie]

I believe there is a individual/personal biological (conductive/capacitance) element.
I have handed out rods to kids to have a go during a drought and 1/3 could , 1/3 maybe, 1/3 nope.
I had an Aunty who was famous across the district doing it for free.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I do "dowsing" or "water divining" when I am digging holes near infrastructure. I use cut coat hangers (magnetic steel), but I also detect plastic pipes if any water is flowing in them at all, and during drought, even large tree roots. I checked online (back in the day) and there was a big study by Hamburg University that says there is no scientific evidence behind dowsing detecting non-magnetic materials, so spiritually I became a bit concerned. I am aware of commercial "studfinders". In the end I decided to 1: only do it to help others, 2: to always pray for Gods guidance each and every time before starting. I would never use a swinging pendulum; I just want to know where the underground pipes run...
I just googled stud finders. They measure "changes in capacitance generated by density difference". Whew!

Do a little research on "the hall effect". It's been known for a long time now. I'm not saying that 'dowsing' is the same thing, but there are a lot of things that science still has to find out, that have for years been considered cryptic or worse. I find nothing wrong with dowsing, and though I am not good at it, it has served its purpose for me more than once. I like to do it with #6 solid copper ground wire, or larger. When it becomes wrong is when it is attributed to the metaphysical and treated superstitiously. Satan loves to take advantage of that, if for no other reason, because it draws one's attention from where it should be placed —on God Himself.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Some people describe the possibility of various psychic ability... I wonder how Christians relate to that.
If you had psychic ability.. works you use it, or would it always be a bad thing? Could it every be a good thing?

Psychic abilities don't exist, so it's not something I concern myself with. It's a bit like wondering what I'd do if I found a unicorn in the forest, or discovered a family of gnomes living under my floor boards.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[johansen]

Do a little research on "the hall effect". It's been known for a long time now. I'm not saying that 'dowsing' is the same thing, but there are a lot of things that science still has to find out, that have for years been considered cryptic or worse. I find nothing wrong with dowsing, and though I am not good at it

If the effect was 3 dimensional in nature, it would be reproducible without a human involved. as in, hang a copper plumb bob off a string, and move a bucket of water around under it, you would get the thing to move..anyhting. because some people use twigs for dowsing. not metal. some say metal doesn't work for them, some say certain kinds of metal doesn't work, others say it does.... but no such force exists besides gravity.. which high school students with enough patience, can duplicate.

I have been "physically" pushed as in perceiving a spiritual force touching my body, to influence me to do something, or go somewhere, which turned out to be accurate. as in I supernaturally was guided to go to my gf's house.. without knowing where she lived. (some interesting chaos happened). a week later, when she was staying at a friends house... i was guided there too!

I see no difference in my experiences than people saying they felt the twigs twitch... or pushed or pulled. some even report the force is very strong like they could not hold the rods apart from each other.

 

[Mark Quayle]

but no such force exists besides gravity..

That's more than you know. The fact you know of no such force does not mean there isn't one.

I don't blame you for wanting people to be careful, but to me, the idea of some occult force reminds me of what God said, talking about idols, "They cannot help you, nor can they harm you." If you look at it superstitiously, you may find demonic forces taking advantage of the situation.

 

[johansen]

That's more than you know. The fact you know of no such force does not mean there isn't one.

I don't blame you for wanting people to be careful, but to me, the idea of some occult force reminds me of what God said, talking about idols, "They cannot help you, nor can they harm you." If you look at it superstitiously, you may find demonic forces taking advantage of the situation.

there is none.

Do the experiment yourself. Without a human holding the dowsing rod, it will not move on its own. You might as well ask a ouiji board where to drill. Some report the planchet starts moving on its own. Why not strap it to a golf cart and drive around your property really slowly.

There is no other force in nature besides the fairly rudimentary rules of physics that we know about already. As such we will never develop a warp drive engine able to push against space time itself, to accomplish interstellar travel. It not possible and it has to be that way, because otherwise there would be too much "drag" in the system.

Currently there is some speculation that the interstellar mass of mostly hydrogen atoms, is responsible for the redshift we observe. Its not that light gets tired and slows down, its 100% accountable in the totality of the gravity of the mass of hydrogen that the light has to pass by, to get to us..again: no new physics. einstein figured most of it out 100 years ago.

And yes, i heard steve quayle ask God "where is this in the bible" and he hears back "though you set you nest among the stars....." (God is talking about the principalities and powers) not mankind, in that ot prophecy.

Mankind has not gotten off this planet, and will not, besides mars, quite likely in my lifetime.

Thats not to say there is no research to be done. we have billions of new inventions to make life easier to be discovered.

 

[Mark Quayle]

there is none.

Do the experiment yourself. Without a human holding the dowsing rod, it will not move on its own.

That is a really poor experiment. Do you have any idea how many items are involved in the fact of a human being involved? Take a look at the "double-slit experiment".

 

[johansen]

That is a really poor experiment. Do you have any idea how many items are involved in the fact of a human being involved? Take a look at the "double-slit experiment".

I can strap a dowsing rod with a fixed, reasonable friction spindle to a remote control car, drive it around property for a week. And the rod will be in the same orientation.

Again, people report forces moving the rods far in excess of a gentle touch.

 

[DrGoblin]

That's more than you know. The fact you know of no such force does not mean there isn't one.

I don't blame you for wanting people to be careful, but to me, the idea of some occult force reminds me of what God said, talking about idols, "They cannot help you, nor can they harm you." If you look at it superstitiously, you may find demonic forces taking advantage of the situation.

I am not sure if I'm actually disagreeing or not the conversation is a bit cloudy... However my 2 cents which wasn't ask for is this. Mental Abilities, Magick, certain forms of witchcraft, geometria, kabbalah are very real otherwise the bible itself wouldn't state it was wrong, evil, etc. The witch of Endor did actually talk to something. The "thing" on the other side is some form of demon or fallen angel, and not what is suggested by a witch or other purveyor of these things. (Deuteronomy 18:10-13)

 

[johansen]

The witch of Endor did actually talk to something.

I like michael heisers opinion on the endor story "there would not be rules against doing something that is not possible to do"

I tend to think it was actually samuel fwiw.

 

[DrGoblin]

I like michael heisers opinion on the endor story "there would not be rules against doing something that is not possible to do"

I tend to think it was actually samuel fwiw.

Yes Hiesner is very interesting. And yes I also think it was Samual, however it contradicts the statement that the "dead know nothing". Assuming this was literally about dead bodies then Hiesner may be right. Ecc 9:5 comes to mind...

 

[DRas]

Would you even know it was not normal, if you didn't know it was unusual?

But there are all sorts of things I consider psychic because others do, that come natural to some people. I don't really care what you call it.

Some people, and I think it has been documented between twins, can feel if something is wrong, sad, or happy with some particular other person, without any communication or reason that we know of why they should know. Some people can walk blindfolded in the dark down a hallway, and never hit either side. Some people have an uncanny way of knowing what someone else is thinking (though that's a little less on the psychic side).

If those are Christians, why should that be a problem?

What's a problem is when it becomes divination, occult and witchcraft.

How does one seperate/discern psychic ability, physical healing thru spirit connections from forbidden occult actuvities

 

[DRas]

Dr rebecca browns book he came to set the captives free has some pretty unbelievable stuff in it.

Short version is yes, there is a third place. Human spirits.

She says they are the most difficult ones to deal with because they are not afraid of Jesus.

12 years or more ago i had a pre birth experience and i found a conference of such things, on youtube. One woman started her testimony with a warning saying: "when i was 5 years old i learned how to leave my body, i got really good at it. Till a male voice speaking with authority told me "get back into your body and never do that again".

So anyhow.. a 5 year old learned all on her own...how to go places and see things.. whatever she wanted. We usually call this astral projecting.

I have a little bit of experience with this stuff. 4 different people, one of which i work with now.

The solution is to pray as God leads, and the person doing it will quit, or not be allowed to influence you.

I am old german lutheran ( perhaps a bit set in my ways, not a fan of change, maybe tend toward black and white) a year ago my husband ( of 37 years) told me about his new spiritual journey into the spirit world. Currently he meditates daily at a set time with a specific “ psychic” who puts peoples needs on his list and spirits cone heal as they wish.
His health has changed for the better. Not so much for me.. I dont know how to process this.

 

[DRas]

I am not sure if I'm actually disagreeing or not the conversation is a bit cloudy... However my 2 cents which wasn't ask for is this. Mental Abilities, Magick, certain forms of witchcraft, geometria, kabbalah are very real otherwise the bible itself wouldn't state it was wrong, evil, etc. The witch of Endor did actually talk to something. The "thing" on the other side is some form of demon or fallen angel, and not what is suggested by a witch or other purveyor of these things. (Deuteronomy 18:10-13)

I agree this stuff is real or we would not be warned against it. When it becomes part of your spouses life you cant get away from it.
In my particular case he has received significant releif from chronic migraines. So any critism or concern about meditating at a specific time with a psychic to avail himself to spirit healers that help him, are not tolerated.
He claims to be a Christian and nothing in Jesus words discourage him from this practice.
Can he be right?

 

[johansen]

I am old german lutheran ( perhaps a bit set in my ways, not a fan of change, maybe tend toward black and white) a year ago my husband ( of 37 years) told me about his new spiritual journey into the spirit world. Currently he meditates daily at a set time with a specific “ psychic” who puts peoples needs on his list and spirits cone heal as they wish.
His health has changed for the better. Not so much for me.. I dont know how to process this.

evil spirits won't heal people but they can make deals with the person(s) to stop the suffering they have caused the person(s), exchanging evil for evil basically. -basically they have no power to fix anything. they can only consume spiritual energy. (same as us, as Jesus says "apart from me you can do nothing") -we consume energy, rot and decay. only God can reverse entropy.

you would be surprised what God works around. encourage him to seek direct guidance from the Holy Spirit.. which will have no problems saying all 9 words from 1 john 4 "I confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh"

"is come" is past present and future. its not translated into english very well.

spirits can in fact say "i confess Jesus Christ came in the flesh" -they won't acknowledge presently.

also they will confess Jesus.. but not the Christ. Christ.. but not Jesus.

 

[Mark Quayle]

How does one seperate/discern psychic ability, physical healing thru spirit connections from forbidden occult actuvities

Does one pursue it for its own sake? I don't do dowsing in order to get better at it.

"Spirit connections", if I know what you are referring to, are of themselves explicitly forbidden in scripture.

As for the spirits themselves, we have ways explicit in scripture for testing them. 1 Corinthians 12:3 is one of them. Also 1 John 4:2-3