proof of intelligent design? Sun and Moon same size in the sky?

[sand eclipse]

The perfection of our cosmic arrangement appears to be deliberately ignored and belittled even though scientists acknowledge its truth. Isn't it a big deal that the sun and the moon are exactly the same size in the sky?

 

[Zoii]

errr..no they are not

 

[HenryM]

The perfection of our cosmic arrangement appears to be deliberately ignored and belittled even though scientists acknowledge its truth. Isn't it a big deal that the sun and the moon are exactly the same size in the sky?

It's not proof, but it's a hint for those that want to use eyes to see to start detecting the lies.

 

[archer75]

Close, but not quite, plus the moon's apparent size changes every day.

 

[Speedwell]

actually they are. ask any astronomer or look it up yourself .05 degrees or 30 arc minutes angular diameter

it won't stay that way--the moon is gradually moving away from the Earth and its angular diameter is becoming smaller.

 

[HenryM]

obviously we are referring to the size of the full moon, which creates the eclipse, not the size of a crescent. all scientists acknowledge the sun and moon have essentially the same angular diameter in the sky,otherwise there could not be total solar eclipses. No they are not 100% but average around 98% identical diameter

What do you think? Is it a coincidence, or are we told a lie about position and size of the Sun?

 

[Zoii]

actually they are. ask any astronomer or look it up yourself .05 degrees or 30 arc minutes angular diameter

Hmm..Im sorry I answered you poorly - sorry about that. let me have another try. The moon actually moves closer and further away from the earth. When it is closer it appears larger and is sometimes referred to as a Super Moon highlighting how large it appears. The sun is less apt to this effect but both their dimensions in the sky do vary. Obviously physically though their dimensions are very different

 

[Greyy]

A better "sign" from a creator would be universe more perfectly ordered. Instead, the moon is at at times large enough in the sky so a total eclipse is possible. Meanwhile, a lunar ecilpse is made possible because the shadow caused by the earth is more than enough to cover the moon.

 

[expos4ever]

I don't think anyone else has yet raised the possibility that the almost identical "angular sizes" of sun and moon may, repeat may, be a necessary pre-condition in order for life to evolve. If that were the case, then the equality is neither co-incidence nor evidence of a creator.

I am not for a moment suggesting that I have any idea why the angular equality could have a bearing on the evolution. And while I lean to believing it is a coincidence, I would not rule out the kind of explanation I have raised in this post.

 

[JacksBratt]

Hmm..Im sorry I answered you poorly - sorry about that. let me have another try. The moon actually moves closer and further away from the earth. When it is closer it appears larger and is sometimes referred to as a Super Moon highlighting how large it appears. The sun is less apt to this effect but both their dimensions in the sky do vary. Obviously physically though their dimensions are very different

I think, for all intents and purposes, considering the fact that their actual size and the distances they are from earth.....the fact that they are "essentially" the same 30 arc minutes, we can claim they are the same size.

To quibble over the tiny fluctuations of size as the moon orbit fluctuates slightly, or to say that the moon is slowly drifting away, is nit picking as far as I'm concerned.

Your missing the point of the thread or purposefully being difficult.

Not only are they the same size but, one orbits us, (the moon) and spins on it's axis EXACTLY the right speed such that it ALWAYS faces us the same way all the time and has for millennia. Does that not add to the fascination?

OR the fact that the sun and moon follow the same patterns and have for millennia. One orbits us and we orbit the other....
Fascinating.

 

[expos4ever]

Not only are they the same size but, one orbits us, (the moon) and spins on it's axis EXACTLY the right speed such that it ALWAYS faces us the same way all the time and has for millennia. Does that not add to the fascination?

This is not a mystery. An asymmetrical distribution of mass in the moon's interior ensures that the rotation rate will be such we always see the same face. I realize this seems like either a coincidence, or the divine hand, but it is easily explained by known physics.

 

[JacksBratt]

This is not a mystery. An asymmetrical distribution of mass in the moon's interior ensures that the rotation rate will be such we always see the same face. I realize this seems like either a coincidence, or the divine hand, but it is easily explained by known physics.

So, the "asymmetrical distribution of mass in the moon's interior" means what exactly? Lacking symmetry? It's interior is not balanced? How do they know this? Who measured it? Can we even trust that? Have you seen the data?

They also say it is hollow. It has too little mass for it's size......

So, this ensures that it will always face the same way toward the earth? I highly doubt that. It may cause a wobble, irregular rotational speed or whatever. However that is not what you are saying.

But having asymmetrical mass in it's interior will not synchronize the face with the earth. The rate at which the moon spins on it's access is fixed, irregardless of the earth. It is fixed at such a rate of rotation on it's axis that one face is always toward the earth. The precision of which is so precise that it has not changed in millennia.

Even so, the fact that ever since man has been around, the moon has faced the same way, that is fascinating. Sounds to me like science trying to down play the awesomeness of our creation by our creator.

 

[expos4ever]

The rate at which the moon spins on it's access is fixed, irregardless of the earth.

No.

I was wrong about the specific mechanism but there is a well-understood physical reason for the moon always presenting the same face. From Discover magazine:

Q: Why does the moon always present the same face to us? I find it impossible to believe that this could happen by chance. — Michael Connelly, Toronto

A: Nope, not by chance — it’s pure physics.

For starters, the moon is not stuck in place with one side facing us. Our lunar companion rotates while it orbits Earth. It’s just that the amount of time it takes the moon to complete a revolution on its axis is the same it takes to circle our planet — about 27 days. As a result, the same lunar hemisphere always faces Earth.

How’d this come to be? In a word: gravity. The moon’s gravity slightly warps our planet’s shape and gives us tides. Likewise, Earth tugs at the moon, creating a rocky, high-tide “bulge” facing us. That bulge ended up working like a brake, slowing the moon’s spin down to the current rate, so the lunar high tide permanently faces us.

When that happened, about 4 billion years ago, the moon became “tidally locked,” and it has presented us the same visage ever since.

 

[Albion]

The perfection of our cosmic arrangement appears to be deliberately ignored and belittled even though scientists acknowledge its truth. Isn't it a big deal that the sun and the moon are exactly the same size in the sky?

Even if they were, what difference would that make? In addition, both the Sun and the Moon appear to our eyes to be of many different sizes, depending upon the season or even how close to the horizon they are.

 

[JacksBratt]

No.

I was wrong about the specific mechanism but there is a well-understood physical reason for the moon always presenting the same face. From Discover magazine:

Q: Why does the moon always present the same face to us? I find it impossible to believe that this could happen by chance. — Michael Connelly, Toronto

A: Nope, not by chance — it’s pure physics.

For starters, the moon is not stuck in place with one side facing us. Our lunar companion rotates while it orbits Earth. It’s just that the amount of time it takes the moon to complete a revolution on its axis is the same it takes to circle our planet — about 27 days. As a result, the same lunar hemisphere always faces Earth.

How’d this come to be? In a word: gravity. The moon’s gravity slightly warps our planet’s shape and gives us tides. Likewise, Earth tugs at the moon, creating a rocky, high-tide “bulge” facing us. That bulge ended up working like a brake, slowing the moon’s spin down to the current rate, so the lunar high tide permanently faces us.

When that happened, about 4 billion years ago, the moon became “tidally locked,” and it has presented us the same visage ever since.

Wait......you have a scientific magazine giving a scientific reason as to why it is not "by chance"?

Look at their first paragraph..... now, tell me that isn't fantastic...... total synchronization. To such a fine precision that it has never veered from this synchronization for millennia......

Now, the kicker.... the gravity slowed the rotation down to the exact rate necessary to create this "natural" LOL phenomenon...... Seriously?

So, we are Tidally locked.... pfffffffft..... I should believe this ...........why? because it's science? Ok. sure.... nope.

 

[expos4ever]

Wait......you have a scientific magazine giving a scientific reason as to why it is not "by chance"?

Look at their first paragraph..... now, tell me that isn't fantastic...... total synchronization. To such a fine precision that it has never veered from this synchronization for millennia......

Now, the kicker.... the gravity slowed the rotation down to the exact rate necessary to create this "natural" LOL phenomenon...... Seriously?

So, we are Tidally locked.... pfffffffft..... I should believe this ...........why? because it's science? Ok. sure.... nope.

What's your specific issue? The above sounds like a roundabout way of saying you do not believe something that has been well-established by mainstream science. You are free to do this but I suggest this puts you in with the flat-earther crowd.

The tidal synchronization is not, repeat not, an argument for God in the sense you appear to think. It is no more evidence for God than any other phenomena in nature that has a physics-based explanation.

 

[loNe]

..but 'intelligent design' by whom ?

that is the problem... - this earth was not in the place she got into, since the deluge...
it sounds absurd - because we are so used to 'scientists' suggesting [!] that it was always so as now,
yet it isnt

'eden is below' , He says in ezekiel 30
read : southeast of this earth
..Henoch adresses a moon - but it is not 'this moon'
worse,
hieroglyphs confirm that there is 'a land in the south',
and call our earth "the second sky of earth" -- taken up inside their solarplane..

 

[loNe]

^^ add,
..and it gets even more amazing, guys....
Reveleation is about a complete 'cosmological' RE-wind, to the original situation...

the seals is about imprisoned earth IN their solarplane,
the trumpets is the pillar holding up their Torus
..and the bowls the solarplane itself

they [hieroglyphs] téll that "the solarplane covers the land below", was devised to do so,
read - to block the dimension of Eden

..and they dont stop talking about "the sky. of this earth. to rise. and shine"
that is, into this solarplane
and
the sky of earth. as package to ascend"