President Biden is leaving Trump a shocking mess to clean up

[eleos1954]

Then I have no idea of the point of your post.

The point is about eternity ... we have the temporal of which will fade away .... we look at the "end game" and we know that is completely in Gods hands ... that is .... the ultimate fate of the universe. So not matter how bad it gets on planet earth .... there will be an end to it and a better life for eternity (no suffering) ... but until then we are caretakers of planet earth.

When we say God is in control (and He is)

God allows suffering because of the existence of free will, meaning humans have the choice to sin and cause harm to themselves and others, and this choice is necessary for true love and morality to exist; while God does not desire suffering, he allows it as a consequence of human choices and as an opportunity to grow closer to him through hardship and reliance on his grace.

 

[eleos1954]

People also tell the truth. It's up to us to pay attention to how well actions correlate to words and how it bears out over time.

Often the truth is hidden and/or skewed and remains that way for a very long time.

 

[Bradskii]

So not matter how bad it gets on planet earth ....

So it doesn't matter if the river floods, or houses burn or you die of a new virus? Don't you want us to put out the fire that threatens your home or design a vaccine to save your children?

Again, if you do then I don't see the point that you are making. It still comes across as some naive version of 'Don't worry about it, we're all going to heaven anyway.'

 

[rambot]

So it doesn't matter if the river floods, or houses burn or you die of a new virus? Don't you want us to put out the fire that threatens your home or design a vaccine to save your children?

Again, if you do then I don't see the point that you are making. It still comes across as some naive version of 'Don't worry about it, we're all going to heaven anyway.'

Was this the thread where someone suggested that Christians "dont just shrug stuff off"?

 

[Bradskii]

Was this the thread where someone suggested that Christians "dont just shrug stuff off"?

Beats me why some people spend so much time and effort in avoiding going to heaven.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Emissions of greenhouse gases keep increasing overall.

( we know you wont…)

From?

 

[Astrid]

From?

Hummingbird respiration, for one.

Year-on-year change in CO₂ emissions

Absolute annual change in carbon dioxide (CO₂) emissions, measured in tonnes.

ourworldindata.org

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Hummingbird respiration, for one.

ha ha, now you are joking...

 

[essentialsaltes]

From?

 

[Astrid]

ha ha, now you are joking...

But I dont think you get the joke.

 

[ViaCrucis]

And yet too many christians ABSOLUTELY do shrug their shoulders and say either "It's God's plan" or "Humans can't affect the planet that much"; the latter statement being (what they believe) is a scientific rebuttal.

Not to mention such sentiments are biblically unsound. Open up to almost any random place in the Bible and it's talking about the disasterous effects human beings have on themselves, their societies, on their neighbors. Claiming that God is in control and so human beings can't have a significant impact in where they live is akin to ignoring like 2/3 of the Bible. Otherwise what was the point of all those Prophets warning people to stop what they were doing? Yes God is in control, but that doesn't mean it's okay to murder, abuse, rape, and abandon our humanity and human responsibility toward others, ourselves, and the world in which we live. "God is in control" so, you know, why bother having a society with laws? "God is in control" so, you know, why bother feeding the hungry or clothing the naked? "God is in control" so, you know, why bother treating others with respect or kindness? Such sentiment, if it could be called anything, would be the opposite of religion.

Yes. Human beings have an impact, not just locally, but globally. The things we do actually matter. Both good and bad, both have an impact, and both matter. How we treat our neighbor, how we treat the land under our feet, how we treat our forests and rivers, the sorts of laws we enforce, the kinds of societies we build--all of these things matter. For anyone who has ever read the Bible and takes it seriously, they'd know that. And if they don't, then what exactly are they reading, the blank spaces between the words?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[eleos1954]

Cognitive dissonance.

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism

 

[Say it aint so]

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism

There is a difference between the kind of skepticism where a group would need more proof than, "things hoped for, evidence not seen" for example. Specially when those skeptics take a good look into the "things hoped for" claims. The difference here is those claiming skepticism don't bother to even contemplate, "hey, maybe I should look into this". They just dismiss what is said outright because doing so causes them "cognitive dissonance".

 

[eleos1954]

And yet too many christians ABSOLUTELY do shrug their shoulders and say either "It's God's plan" or "Humans can't affect the planet that much"; the latter statement being (what they believe) is a scientific rebuttal.

Death, suffering and destruction was not God's plan ... there is an enemy that showed up ... we live in a spiritual war zone. God's plan is to redeem His people from all of it ... and one day He will ... until then we are caretakers of planet earth and each other ... the controversy is how best do we do that without harming humanity? The bible does teach in the ultimate destruction of the world by God himself .... science predicts the same thing with the destruction of the world by mankind (due to "climate change") ... they are in agreement ... it's just a difference in how it is believed it will happen.

There have been many predictions in the past by science that have not come true ... such as ...

widespread devastation from acid rain within a short timeframe, entire nations being wiped out by rising sea levels, a looming ice age in the near future, running out of essential metals like copper by the early 2000s, and mass starvation due to overpopulation occurring much sooner than anticipated, particularly around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...irst-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/

Throughout history, scientific consensus has held many theories to be true that have later proven to be incredibly false.

We live in uncertain times .... time will tell.

 

[rambot]

Throughout history, scientific consensus has held many theories to be true that have later proven to be incredibly false.

This comment belies a lot of information; to the point where it's almost false:
1) "Scientific Consensus" as a concept has really only been around since shortly after the Scientific Revolution of the 1700-1800s.
2) Your use of the word theories is misguided. In fact, very few SCIENTIFIC theories have been proven "incredibly false". There have been many HYPOTHESIS that have been proven false.

3) If you were aware of the evidence, you would not be equating AGW with a "historical epistomological event" as the scientific evidence to support AGW is beyond anything in history that HAS Been proven false through the scientific method.

We live in uncertain times .... time will tell

That's a common refrain. But in fact, not everything is as uncertain. You have been convinced that AGW is not certain and not known. But it is known. To solve the problem requires working against some human frailities; things that people don't want top sacrifice.
Human greed? That is certain and immutable.

If we let greed dictate our path and not knowledge and evidence, the human race is hooped.

And while I'm certainly open to the belief that that is God's plan, I would note that this would actually position Science as a gift from God; a tool to be utilized.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism

Epistemological nihilism is not "a healthy dose of skepticism".

-CryptoLutheran

 

[rambot]

"facts" according tp who? People lie .... period ... we never really know what the "facts" really are.

Sorry? The poster is bringing up court records.

You can't just say "Facts according to who" for every single criticism of trump.

If you can look at yourself in the mirror and honestly say "we never really know what the facts are" then that's on own intellectual laziness or political convinience. Facts ARE ascertainable.

 

[eleos1954]

So it doesn't matter if the river floods, or houses burn or you die of a new virus? Don't you want us to put out the fire that threatens your home or design a vaccine to save your children?

Again, if you do then I don't see the point that you are making. It still comes across as some naive version of 'Don't worry about it, we're all going to heaven anyway.'

What good does worrying about something do?

Most of the time, our worries don't pan out. That's because worry is often invented by the mind, and is rarely rooted in fact or truth. Eventually, we come to realize that worrying about the future doesn't prevent tomorrow's troubles, it just robs today of its joy.

Either one dies and turns to dust and that's the end of it or there is life after death. One has it's worries .. one does not.

Worrying is a waste of time because it doesn't solve anything, and often, we worry unnecessarily Much of what we are worried about will never come to pass. When we worry, we are letting our imaginations run wild, conjuring up most times unlikely worst-case scenarios.

All beliefs and theories will always be subject to dispute. And debated.

Respondents across all countries were worried about climate change (59% were very or extremely worried and 84% were at least moderately worried). More than 50% reported each of the following emotions: sad, anxious, angry, powerless, helpless, and guilty. This is no way to live ... it effects peoples emotional and physical well being ... This is no way to live life, IMO.

Worrying excessively can be considered naive because it often involves dwelling on worst-case scenarios without considering realistic probabilities, and can significantly impact your quality of life by preventing you from taking action or enjoying the present moment; if your worry is significantly impacting your daily life, it could be a sign of an anxiety disorder and seeking professional help is advisable.

Personally I'm not going to worry about it, what the governments of the world do or do not do in regard to the matter of climate change remains to be seen .... some of their ideas to address it could very well within themselves be devastating to the human race.

I believe the climate is and will change .... I just don't worry about it ... because it does no good to worry ... you want to label that as being Naive .... so be it.

 

[Astrid]

Death, suffering and destruction was not God's plan ... there is an enemy that showed up ... we live in a spiritual war zone. God's plan is to redeem His people from all of it ... and one day He will ... until then we are caretakers of planet earth and each other ... the controversy is how best do we do that without harming humanity? The bible does teach in the ultimate destruction of the world by God himself .... science predicts the same thing with the destruction of the world by mankind (due to "climate change") ... they are in agreement ... it's just a difference in how it is believed it will happen.

There have been many predictions in the past by science that have not come true ... such as ...

widespread devastation from acid rain within a short timeframe, entire nations being wiped out by rising sea levels, a looming ice age in the near future, running out of essential metals like copper by the early 2000s, and mass starvation due to overpopulation occurring much sooner than anticipated, particularly around the time of the first Earth Day in 1970

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-s...irst-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/

Throughout history, scientific consensus has held many theories to be true that have later proven to be incredibly false.

We live in uncertain times .... time will tell.

A. By the book God knew every outcome in advane, made the actors,
made the rules, it’s called omnipotent and omniscient.

B. Science, in anything like it’s modern form, does not do “truth”..

maybe you can identify some ancient time when natural philosophers
thought they were doing “ truth”.

SCIENCE does probabilities, provisional explanations.
Not “ this is true”. Certainly not “ this theory is true.”

Its “this is what I think I see
as now things seem to me to be”

Theories can never be “ true” or “ facts”

C. For incredibly false, you can’t beat a literal reading of the
” flood” story.

 

[eleos1954]

Sorry? The poster is bringing up court records.

You can't just say "Facts according to who" for every single criticism of trump.

If you can look at yourself in the mirror and honestly say "we never really know what the facts are" then that's on own intellectual laziness or political convinience. Facts ARE ascertainable.

Court records? Have the courts ever been wrong? Well yeah they have. There have been people in the past that were convicted of something and then later found out it was untrue.

ascertain implies effort to find the facts (evidence)...

Facts are based on evidence and evidence can be skewed, meaning it can be interpreted or presented in a way that unfairly favors a particular conclusion, often due to biases in the collection, analysis, or interpretation of data, like confirmation bias where individuals tend to prioritize information that supports their existing beliefs while ignoring or denying contradictory evidence to be presented.

In a court of law, the judge decides what evidence can be presented, based on the rules of evidence which govern what is considered admissible and relevant to the case; essentially, the judge determines whether evidence can be shown to the jury or considered in the decision-making process. Ya think some judges can be politically bias one way or another?

We may not have access to all the facts or details necessary to fully understand for ourselves a situation and/or more evidence may pop up in the future.