Premarital sex

[tonychanyt]

A husband accused his newlywed wife in Deuteronomy 22:

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

If a woman had premarital sex and her new husband complained about it, she could be stoned to death.

If a man has sex with a married woman:

22 “If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.

If a man has sex with an unmarried woman, Exodus 22:

16 “If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife. 17 If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he must still pay the bride-price for virgins.

In the OT, there was a double standard due to polygyny.

In the NT, premarital sex is under the general umbrella of sexual immorality, 1 Corinthians 6:

18-20 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Legal sex is described in 1 Corinthians 7:

2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.

Today, in Canada, where I live, polygyny is a crime, and marrying a non-virgin woman is not. So, we cannot apply these OT laws in Canada. In any case, Jesus fulfilled the Law already. There is no need to be legalistic about it. My point is a spiritual one: sex outside of a husband and wife relationship is sin, then and now, in the eyes of God.

 

[Josheb]

....................There is no need to be legalistic about it. My point is a spiritual one: sex outside of a husband and wife relationship is sin, then and now, in the eyes of God.

Although I would have made the case differently, this is correct. Sex outside of the marital relationship misses the mark of God's standards and His desire for humanity, and we've got about eight decades of research in the social sciences consistently proving the veracity and efficacy of marital sex in multiple ways. Secular science supports the Biblical standards. Sadly, neither Canada or the US (or most of the rest of the world) abides by this.

Blessedly, God's grace is sufficient for those who believe in the name of His resurrected Son.

 

[Diamond72]

A husband accused his newlywed wife in Deuteronomy 22:

In the Bible a Priest must marry a virgin if he wants to be a Priest. We see this in the movie: A Stranger Among Us. Where they explain how marriage in the Hasidic community is different from marriage outside of their community. This is why they are so strict to teach women early in life that they need to save themselves for their husband. There is also a promise keeper movement in the Christian church. A priest in the Christian church does not have to marry a virgin but he is prohibited from getting married to a divorced women. I was divorced before I became a Christian but that would ban me from being a priest because it would be setting the wrong example for people.

 

[Diamond72]

polygyny is a crime,

Polyamorous relationships are not illegal in Canada. Polyamory is a form of consensual non-monogamy where everyone involved can have as many romantic partners as they want, with knowledge and consent. People in polyamorous relationships are free to express their sexuality regardless of gender12. It’s important to note that polyamory is distinct from polygamy, which involves being married to multiple people and is indeed illegal in Canada

 

[Bobber]

A husband accused his newlywed wife in Deuteronomy 22:


If a woman had premarital sex and her new husband complained about it, she could be stoned to death.

If a man has sex with a married woman:


If a man has sex with an unmarried woman, Exodus 22:


In the OT, there was a double standard due to polygyny.

In the NT, premarital sex is under the general umbrella of sexual immorality, 1 Corinthians 6:


Legal sex is described in 1 Corinthians 7:


Today, in Canada, where I live, polygyny is a crime, and marrying a non-virgin woman is not. So, we cannot apply these OT laws in Canada. In any case, Jesus fulfilled the Law already. There is no need to be legalistic about it. My point is a spiritual one: sex outside of a husband and wife relationship is sin, then and now, in the eyes of God.

The question I have is how does one deal with people living together before marriage in the church? If they're doing this while members what's to be done? How many feel it's grounds to ask them to leave unless they're getting married or to stop living together?

 

[tonychanyt]

The question I have is how does one deal with people living together before marriage in the church? If they're doing this while members what's to be done? How many feel it's grounds to ask them to leave unless they're getting married or to stop living together?

Good questions. I would leave it to the leadership of the church that I am attending.

 

[Diamond72]

How many feel it's grounds to ask them to leave unless they're getting married or to stop living together?

To X communicate does not mean to leave. You want everyone there to hear the truth. It means to deny them communion which is for their own good. We are to judge ourselves to see if we are worthy or not. It is really none of our business what they do. Jesus said to let those without sin to throw the first stone.

 

[Bobber]

To X communicate does not mean to leave.

Then what would be the meaning of these scriptures?

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Cor 5:12

You want everyone there to hear the truth.

And if they hear the truth and still persist then what?

It is really none of our business what they do. Jesus said to let those without sin to throw the first stone.

Could this be the problem the Corinthians leaders got into though when Paul said them they were puffed up and it was not good? Maybe they were priding themselves that they were a loving church when all the time the Spirit was saying to them, "Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this?" And the Spirit also said through Paul the following statement, 1 Cor 5: 6 "Do you not know that a little leaven works through the whole batch of dough? Get rid of the old leaven, that you may be a new unleavened batch, as you really are."

They were told in 1 Cor 5 it was their business, see the following. 1 Cor 5:12 And to quote the good bible verse he that is without sin let him cast the first stone....I'd suggest you're misapplying the context of it. If a person repents and is receiving acceptance that would be promoted from the truth of he that is without sin let him cast the first stone.

 

[Diamond72]

Then what would be the meaning of these scriptures?

I was mostly talking about the cathodic church. I was attending two different churches once and the pastor said that was spiritual adulatory. He said get all the way in or all the way out. I decided to leave because of all the errors in his teaching. I attended a different church in the same denomination and the new pastor was happy to have us there whenever we were able to go.

 

[Diamond72]

"Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and have removed from your fellowship the man who did this?"

Later on Paul said to allow him to enter back into fellowship. So I guess this is a revolving door sort of issue.

So should the pastor decide who stays and who goes or is that a issue for the elders to decide?

 

[Bobber]

Later on Paul said to allow him to enter back into fellowship.

Sure absolutely if they repent and have done so.

So I guess this is a revolving door sort of issue.

Can be.

 

[Diamond72]

Can be.

I asked a pastor about that once and he got mad at me. I asked him does God blot out our name and then write it back in to the book of life? I think every name is written in the book of life but people get blotted out. We are told that life is our choice.

 

[Bobber]

I asked a pastor about that once and he got mad at me. I asked him does God blot out our name and then write it back in to the book of life? I think every name is written in the book of life but people get blotted out. We are told that life is our choice.

He got mad at you? That's just a basic question many would ask. I would have answered you this way........perhaps everyone's name is in the Book of Life on the day they were born. At the end of their life if they haven't received Jesus their name is blotted out.

 

[Diamond72]

At the end of their life if they haven't received Jesus their name is blotted out.

They were very hell fire and brimstone. I attended a funeral they preached at and that was all they talked about. I thought a funeral was to comfort the people for their loss. Not to threaten them. That is what drove my father away from Christianity. He liked the happy feel good Christianity, but not the hell fire and brimstone. He use to take us to see one of his patients that had polo. With all of their adversity they were still very happy people. They were so happy to see us and they were so glad my dad brought us and all of that. He attended the Baptism service for my son and he said he had never seen a happy church like that. WE would celebrate God, not the hell fire and brimstone stuff at all. Just the opposite of that.

 

[Bobber]

They were very hell fire and brimstone. I attended a funeral they preached at and that was all they talked about. I thought a funeral was to comfort the people for their loss. Not to threaten them. That is what drove my father away from Christianity. He liked the happy feel good Christianity, but not the hell fire and brimstone. He use to take us to see one of his patients that had polo. With all of their adversity they were still very happy people. They were so happy to see us and they were so glad my dad brought us and all of that. He attended the Baptism service for my son and he said he had never seen a happy church like that. WE would celebrate God, not the hell fire and brimstone stuff at all. Just the opposite of that.

I believe we need a mix of every Bible truth. The people you knew may not have used wisdom in how they preached it but the declarations of truth need to come forth in some way, form or fashion. You can't just say we cut out hell or any teaching of Jesus which talk of potential judgement of one.

Remember Jesus teaching, remember Lot's wife? What should we remember about her? She compromised and received a judgement. Cut that out of the Bible and throw it away? NO. Preach it every single week in church? No but balance is the key.