Preachers supporting Israel

[truthpls]

So again... what do they expect them to do? Just sit there and have their citizens murdered and have thousands of missiles launched into their towns and cities?

Move? Share the land and let the prisoners go free? Make restoration for lands stolen? Live as a good neighbor in the community of nations there? Etc etc Who says that the taking of all the land from others in the past by Israel has to stand at the cost of terrorizing and relocating a huge population? Either fit in or....you know.

No nation on earth would stand by and allow that to happen. Not the US, not Russia, not Iran, Saudi Arabia, or any other nation.

What other nation came in and took lands from others and refused to return them or make restitution? You can't shove millions of people in a corner, blow up their airport, stop sea access, limit travel, surround them with barbed wire and etc and expect that there will be loving peace forever. They need to deal with the problem.

Stop wars and this sort of thing will cease. But don't ignore the thousands of instances where civilians have been killed in every war since the start of history, and then perk up and object when Isreal is involved.

Civilians do die in wars but were not primary targets in history.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Wild eyed killers breaking in and terrorizing people is no excuse to kill more people using greater terror

And that is the issue with all war, not just Israel. Every war for thousands of years. We did. Every nation did it. Still are.
Why only Israel? Get rid of war. Not just Israel.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Move? Share the land and let the prisoners go free? Make restoration for lands stolen? Live as a good neighbor in the community of nations there? Etc etc Who says that the taking of all the land from others in the past by Israel has to stand at the cost of terrorizing and relocating a huge population? Either fit in or....you know.

What other nation came in and took lands from others and refused to return them or make restitution? You can't shove millions of people in a corner, blow up their airport, stop sea access, limit travel, surround them with barbed wire and etc and expect that there will be loving peace forever. They need to deal with the problem.

Civilians do die in wars but were not primary targets in history.

Perhaps you should read some history. There have been innumerable wars involving innumerable nations. ALL have done this and are still doing this. You are just being very selective in your view.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Say who? Are they taught to love Palestinians in Israel? If schools teach history such as how their grandparents had their lands and groves and homes taken, maybe there is a reason to do what you call 'hate' the occupiers? Let's face it both sides dislike the other and Gaza has real reasons for doing so.

There is a good reason no country wants to take Gazans refugees. Wonder why.

Cowboys and Indians? Playing war? Were you never young? You make it sound like all children do what you claim. Sounds like propaganda

Yea totally normal of little children playing games where they pretend to murder the Jews. Let me show you how bad it is.

Watch this 9 minute video and tell me this is a normal children behaviour.

Let's face it the only effort made so far was killing civilians

Yeah...and that's why the IDF warns Gazan citizens, before they strike.
Israel is so evil they striked a rocket against a hospital in Gaza...no wait that was Hamas' failed rocket.

Germany had armed forces.

So does Gaza. Your point? 2 million innocent German civilians were killed during ww2, as do innocent civilians in every war, its sad, but evil must be eradicated.

Wild eyed killers breaking in and terrorizing people is no excuse to kill more people using greater terror

Again, share your wisdom what Israel should do? Should they leave Hamas alone so they keep murdering again and again? Because that is what will happen. Why din't they release the hostages?

If true, I wonder why, are they treated nice?

Oh how wonderful. Let's not mentioned the raped and murder women, children that were murdered in ovens etc. Tell their famailies of how nice they are.

Let me share something from the Bible with you

Jeremiah 31 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

35 Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
36 “If this fixed order departs
from before me, declares the Lord,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease
from being a nation before me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord:
“If the heavens above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel
for all that they have done,
declares the Lord.”

Israel will not be defeated, but all the enemies of Israel will be.

 

[truthpls]

And that is the issue with all war, not just Israel. Every war for thousands of years. We did. Every nation did it. Still are.
Why only Israel? Get rid of war. Not just Israel.

There is a question of intent and degree. In Germany, they targeted many civilians in their own country for death and suffering. The first wars of Germany, if I recall, were almost bloodless. People surrendered. Later as the titfortat thing kicked in, it got increasingly horrible. In the case of Gaza, they went in bombing apartments full of children and women from the word go.

 

[truthpls]

Perhaps you should read some history. There have been innumerable wars involving innumerable nations. ALL have done this and are still doing this. You are just being very selective in your view.

People did not like sept 11 when towers full of people were blown up. That is considered terrorism rather than war. You can call the terrorism going on in Gaza war if you like, but that is an assault on the English language and meaning of words and truth itself. A war is between nations with armed forces, not a one way street where prison camps and highly populated areas are blown up virtually indiscriminately.
It is also particularly vile to have believers in Jesus cheer leading such terrorism. So let us ask you, do you support Israel in this, yes or no?

 

[Pekka]

Is we forget theology we can still see that Israel is a democratic country with just everyday guys and girls living their lives and not wanting to wage war. They have free speech, justice system, free press, minority rights, loads of Arabs living there with equal rights. They are faced with a force which chose to kill Jews since 1920, do not tolerate any Jewish people in their lands, do not have free speech, no free press, do not tolerate minorities, get most support of all refugee groups in the world, use most of their funds on waging war and want Israel obliterated.

Jewish people have lived there continuously all this time. In early. 1900s there were only about 20% but the whole area was a wasteland and Jerusalem had no real meaning for arabs. Only after Jews rebuilt Israel and started inhabiting and developing Jerusalem it became more relevant for arabs. In 1948 state of Israel and Jordan was established. Jordan could have been the place for Arabs but they wanted to stay in Israel. The declined the two state solution and chose the path of death. Palestinians became palestinians sometime in 1960s. They have received more funding than other refugees in the world combined and they could have build a beautiful place with all that money. As far as I know the Israel has just tried to survive.

 

[truthpls]

There is a good reason no country wants to take Gazans refugees. Wonder why.

Maybe if they got payed all the natural gas revenue soon to be developed off their coast a lot of countries would beg to take them in? The issue here does not seem to be some unruly people that no one wants because they are rabid and will attack any nation that takes them in! The issue seems to be more that large numbers of people were robbed and imprisoned into camps, and mistreated for a long time and want their former country back, and possibly revenge at this point. It seems slanderous to insinuate that all the world hates the people of Palestine and would never want them as migrants. Now if you mean that if Gaza were stolen from them, and they were expelled or something, well, what nation can afford to take in millions of poor people?

Yea totally normal of little children playing games where they pretend to murder the Jews. Let me show you how bad it is.

Watch this 9 minute video and tell me this is a normal children behaviour.

Looking at the source of the video to see if it was unbiased and worthy to be considered balanced, I see this in wiki
"Shapiro was born on January 15, 1984,[1] in Los Angeles, California, to a Conservative Jewish family. He is Ashkenazi Jewish,[2][3][4][5] When he was 9 years old, his family began to observe Orthodox Judaism."

Hardly a source I would trust regarding a conflict between Jewish people and Gaza. How about what children in Israel are taught?
I noticed in the cartoon in your video that it had a prayer to Allah for destruction of their enemies. You do realize both sides have that sort of prayer?

Yeah...and that's why the IDF warns Gazan citizens, before they strike.

Many did not get warnings and the internet is down sometimes. It is also terrorism to keep people in fear of having their homes bombed and forcing them to wander around with sick and old and babies in streets being bombed day and night. Fleeing convoys were attacked. Your claim is hollow

Israel is so evil they striked a rocket against a hospital in Gaza...no wait that was Hamas' failed rocket.

Wait, no one knows actually. It was claimed on both sides to be something else. The subsequent attacks on ambulances and hospitals with snipers, and bombing nearby, and moving soldiers into the hospital etc show that the elaborate denials of the early hospital attack were irrelevant anyhow.

So does Gaza. Your point? 2 million innocent German civilians were killed during ww2, as do innocent civilians in every war, its sad, but evil must be eradicated.

Germany did not start the war by targeting civilians, they moved in and Denmark surrendered, no? The terrorism from Israel in Gaza started by blowing up civilians in apartments etc. There is a degree of barbarism there that rivals and even surpasses many other conflicts in history.

Again, share your wisdom what Israel should do? Should they leave Hamas alone so they keep murdering again and again? Because that is what will happen. Why din't they release the hostages?

What they should NOT do is what is important here! They should not mass murder women and children and target highly populated areas. Whatever options remain are what they can choose from. Period.

Oh how wonderful. Let's not mentioned the raped and murder women, children that were murdered in ovens etc. Tell their famailies of how nice they are.

How about mentioning the false reports that were refuted and not supported? How about mentioning how the response by Israel probably killed many of the civilians in Israel according to some sources? How about mentioning what happens to the young girls in Israeli prisons? One of the prisoners released fresh from those prisons just spoke about that. How about realizing that people are equal and that Palestinians in large part have been mistreated?

Let me share something from the Bible with you

Jeremiah 31 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

I agree, that day is coming. In the future when Israel (what is left of them after 2/3 are killed) get saved. I hope you would not dare to pretend that applied to unbelieving Israel today!

35 Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
36 “If this fixed order departs
from before me, declares the Lord,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease
from being a nation before me forever.”

37 Thus says the Lord:
“If the heavens above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel
for all that they have done,
declares the Lord.”

Israel will not be defeated, but all the enemies of Israel will be.

The ONLY reason Israel will remain (a remnant in the end who get saved) is BECAUSE they are saved and GOD restores and protects them. The unbelieving nation called Israel today has no blessing and protection from God. Except perhaps if we consider that He will ensure that there are Jewish people remaining in the end to get saved.

 

[truthpls]

Is we forget theology we can still see that Israel is a democratic country with just everyday guys and girls living their lives and not wanting to wage war. They have free speech, justice system, free press, minority rights, loads of Arabs living there with equal rights. They are faced with a force which chose to kill Jews since 1920, do not tolerate any Jewish people in their lands, do not have free speech, no free press, do not tolerate minorities, get most support of all refugee groups in the world, use most of their funds on waging war and want Israel obliterated.

The same guys who used to own the land now called Israel? Toleration of new immigrants should not extend to having them kick you out as refugees from your own homes. How is Israel when it comes to tolerating the former owners of the land and taking in a few million from Gaza??

Jewish people have lived there continuously all this time. In early. 1900s there were only about 20% but the whole area was a wasteland and Jerusalem had no real meaning for arabs.

No. There were hundreds of thousands who lived there. Groves, homes etc. Just because their skills and finances were not up to the level of new and richer immigrants coming in does not mean they are worthless rats needing to be expelled.

Only after Jews rebuilt Israel and started inhabiting and developing Jerusalem it became more relevant for arabs.

Yet the place has residents, regardless of how relevant you consider them! Having some areas of their country take on greater importance due to tourism or whatever does not mean you have the right to boot them out.

In 1948 state of Israel and Jordan was established. Jordan could have been the place for Arabs but they wanted to stay in Israel.

Emphasis on stay. Who are you to overrule what resident want?? Why should anyone leave their homes and groves and lands just because some other folks moving in wanted them to? What if Gazans wanted to move into all Israel and then want all Jews to move? Would we fault Jewish people if they wanted to stay in Israel??

The declined the two state solution and chose the path of death.

They would not be bullied easily you mean?

Palestinians became palestinians sometime in 1960s.

Irrelevant. You can call them tomatoes or cockcroaches if you want, that changes nothing. They were RESIDENTS.

They have received more funding than other refugees in the world combined and they could have build a beautiful place with all that money. As far as I know the Israel has just tried to survive.

Israel received even more funding. Why have they bought even more and bigger weapons than Gazans?
It is inexcusable for Christians to support the mass murder of children and women and civilians in the prison camps. A true reproach to the cause of Christ.

 

[Pekka]

The same guys who used to own the land now called Israel? Toleration of new immigrants should not extend to having them kick you out as refugees from your own homes. How is Israel when it comes to tolerating the former owners of the land and taking in a few million from Gaza??

It was owned by the British before Israel was restored and Jordan created. It was not a country, just land with arab and jewish tribes living there. Most of the palestinians are former workers who built some railroad etc for the british and they came from the area of todays Jordan. Arabs attacked jewish villages since 1920 while Jewish did not respond in kind.

No. There were hundreds of thousands who lived there. Groves, homes etc. Just because their skills and finances were not up to the level of new and richer immigrants coming in does not mean they are worthless rats needing to be expelled.

I think original number of palestinians were 700 000 in 1948 but I may be wrong here. Why you are calling some people worthless rats?

Israelites were not the ones doing expelling. Arabs were the ones attacking Jews since 1920 and Jews did not respond only until after war broke. Israel welcomes all cultures and wants friendly relationships with all its neighbors as is stated in their foundational declaration. There are Arabs living in Israel with equal rights. Are there Jews living in Palestine or Arab countries with equal rights? Arab countries have expelled 99% of all Jews and minorities from their countries but Israel has 2 million Arabs.

Yet the place has residents, regardless of how relevant you consider them! Having some areas of their country take on greater importance due to tourism or whatever does not mean you have the right to boot them out.

Emphasis on stay. Who are you to overrule what resident want?? Why should anyone leave their homes and groves and lands just because some other folks moving in wanted them to? What if Gazans wanted to move into all Israel and then want all Jews to move? Would we fault Jewish people if they wanted to stay in Israel??

Many of those homes are bought privately with money from the owners, as far as I know. I am sure Israel people are no saints but Israel has laws and justice system to take care so that things are done by the law. That is a democratic country with elected leaders similarly to ours. They do not want war or trouble with anyone and any leaders harassing and causing problems are not voted.

They would not be bullied easily you mean?

Irrelevant. You can call them tomatoes or cockcroaches if you want, that changes nothing. They were RESIDENTS.

I would never call human beings like that. Why are you calling them with such names? Yes they were there similarly to Jews and they were offered to co-exist but did not want it. They have been offered two state solution multiple times but they did not accept it.

Israel received even more funding. Why have they bought even more and bigger weapons than Gazans?
It is inexcusable for Christians to support the mass murder of children and women and civilians in the prison camps. A true reproach to the cause of Christ.

They do not mass murder anyone. They are a democratic nation with elected leaders and they wish to survive. Or do you think that the whole nation is full of murderers who just want to slaughter innocent civilians for the sport of it? What can you do if you are attacked constantly from civilian buildings? International laws declare such buildings as military targets. How many countries warn 2 weeks before to get out before they attack? How many countries warn people in the building before they attack?

Israel has made peace with Hamas / Palestine multiple times and it has been followed by constant barrage of rockets to civilian targets. They have been patient but what can you do when you receive constant barrage of rockets to your people? Last year there were 10 000 rockets fired to Israel?

If Hamas lays down its weapons there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons it will be destroyed.

If Hamas is erased then there will be peace. But as bible says the world will leave Israel alone in the end times so it is not looking so good for them. Luckily God will intervene.

 

[truthpls]

It was owned by the British before Israel was restored and Jordan created. It was not a country, just land with arab and jewish tribes living there.

So what? Call it what you like. People lived there and were driven out.

Most of the palestinians are former workers who built some railroad etc for the british and they came from the area of todays Jordan. Arabs attacked jewish villages since 1920 while Jewish did not respond in kind.

Settlers attack Palestinians today we are told. In Ireland they rioted after kids were stabbed, to show displeasure with the immigration policies. If residents were upset in 1920 with forced immigration or whatever, that is no surprise.

I think original number of palestinians were 700 000 in 1948 but I may be wrong here. Why you are calling some people worthless rats?

I said they were all equal and not worthless actually. Why not be honest? Since there were said to be over over 700,000 refugees in the year of 1948 the number is probably much higher. Some left earlier, maybe later, and maybe some stayed etc

Israelites were not the ones doing expelling.

Wiki suggests otherwise. They say there was pressure and people were forced out.

Arabs were the ones attacking Jews since 1920 and Jews did not respond only until after war broke.

That seems one sided. Obviously there was the terrorists of the Irgun gang etc that did some attacking also

Israel welcomes all cultures and wants friendly relationships with all its neighbors as is stated in their foundational declaration.

Great, so will they welcome back all who were forced out?

There are Arabs living in Israel with equal rights.

Except if accused (falsely or factually) of things like throwing stones, prison is always at the doorstep?

Are there Jews living in Palestine or Arab countries with equal rights?

Are their prison guards living in cells in prisons?

Arab countries have expelled 99% of all Jews and minorities from their countries but Israel has 2 million Arabs.

Source?

Many of those homes are bought privately with money from the owners, as far as I know.

They say land was bought from natives in America as well. Unless it was voluntary and a fair price it means nothing

I am sure Israel people are no saints but Israel has laws and justice system to take care so that things are done by the law. That is a democratic country with elected leaders similarly to ours. They do not want war or trouble with anyone and any leaders harassing and causing problems are not voted.

So when they practice terrorism on Gaza and mass murder civilians that is fine by their law? If so, the laws are worth less than toilet tissue that is used.

I would never call human beings like that. Why are you calling them with such names? Yes they were there similarly to Jews and they were offered to co-exist but did not want it. They have been offered two state solution multiple times but they did not accept it.

I called them nothing. I pointed out they should not be treated as vermin.

They do not mass murder anyone.

I haven't read the latest number. They say it is over 10,000 I think

They are a democratic nation with elected leaders and they wish to survive.

Their wishes are not in question here only their killing of children

Or do you think that the whole nation is full of murderers who just want to slaughter innocent civilians for the sport of it?

That depends who agrees with it or not

What can you do if you are attacked constantly from civilian buildings?

Move? Call the police? Ask whether the prison camps and apartments are a poor and dangerous place and see if you can help? Offer them half of your country, that used to belong to some of them anyhow? etc etc. The issue is what NOT to do. Do not mass murder women and children. Period.

International laws declare such buildings as military targets. How many countries warn 2 weeks before to get out before they attack? How many countries warn people in the building before they attack?

Not really is they are in a prison territory/camp that is occupied, I suspect.

Israel has made peace with Hamas / Palestine multiple times and it has been followed by constant barrage of rockets to civilian targets.

Not the real deal then. Get the real deal.

They have been patient but what can you do when you receive constant barrage of rockets to your people? Last year there were 10 000 rockets fired to Israel?

Give back the lands? Move? Address the actual problems? If the heat is too hot in the kitchen, get out? The land was supposed to be shared in the Balfour declaration I hear. If they cannot live with the people there, who is to blame?? To stay they need to fit in one would assume

If Hamas lays down its weapons there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons it will be destroyed.

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. Be real

If Hamas is erased then there will be peace.

They might say the same about the other side. Not a reasoned place of discussion

But as bible says the world will leave Israel alone in the end times so it is not looking so good for them. Luckily God will intervene.

Say what? The world will attack and surround them prophesy actually says. Now we get an idea possibly about why.

 

[Danny&Annie&theChristmas]

May Israel be successful in it's endeavor to destroy Hamas and free the people of Gaza from these psychopaths. May the Christians in Gaza be kept safe and free from Muslim retribution while the IDF cleans out Hamas. Amen

 

[truthpls]

May Israel be successful in it's endeavor to destroy Hamas and free the people of Gaza from these psychopaths. May the Christians in Gaza be kept safe and free from Muslim retribution while the IDF cleans out Hamas. Amen

'We pray for the children and civilians on both sides. We pray for the salvation of Israel that you turn their hearts to Jesus so that you can restore them to the land you promised. We thank you that you will save them one day, and pray for your mercy in the terrible time ahead for Israel since they will not do so now. We also pray for the salvation Of the peoples of Palestine that you lead them to Jesus and have mercy on the innocents that will die in the terror going on without a chance to know you. We thank you that you are coming soon for your Own to take us up in the air to be forever with you and away from the final wrath coming on earth to deal with the wickedness and rebellion of men' Amen

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

May Israel be successful in it's endeavor to destroy Hamas and free the people of Gaza from these psychopaths. May the Christians in Gaza be kept safe and free from Muslim retribution while the IDF cleans out Hamas. Amen

One of the problems is that 75% of those people voted Hamas into power and support those psychopaths. Yes, the Christians are pleading with the IDF to let them go to the west bank. They say if they go south, Hamas WILL kill them.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Maybe if they got payed all the natural gas revenue soon to be developed off their coast a lot of countries would beg to take them in?

There is not one Muslim country that accepts Palestinian refugees. There is one Jew nation, and that Jew nation, Israel, has done more for the Palestinian people, than any other nation ever. So it's insulting that the Palestinian people throw stones at the Jews when in fact Jews are the only group that has been trying to protect them in any administrative way by providing food, water and resources to the people that are there. The reason that the Muslim countries are not accepting Palestinians, is because the Muslim countries know how radical and dangerous the Palestinians are. For that reason Egypt and Jordan don't want them there. Iran uses Hamas and Hezbollah as weapons against Israel.

Looking at the source of the video to see if it was unbiased and worthy to be considered balanced,

What does it matter? A truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. And I'd rather trust a Jew than a Palestinian. The point is that the Palestinian children are taught from early age to hate the Jews and to murder them. Do you see any Jewish children being taught that? No.

Wait, no one knows actually.

It is a known fact that Hamas' own rocket failed and hit it's own hospital. Gaza: Findings on October 17 al-Ahli Hospital Explosion

The Houthi flag reads "Allah is the greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". So you know what kind of people are against Israel.

You know, the distinction between good and evil in this war could not possibly be any clearer. No matter how you want to slice it and what you want to look at, there are not two equal sides here. There is good and there is evil. You can look at the protests. One side sings songs of unity and peace. The other side yells chants of genocide and murder. You can look at the hostages/prisoners. One side longs for its children and wives to unite with their families. The other side demands the release of murderers and terrorists. You can look at how the released are treated.
One side does everything it can to ensure their hostages come home safely and are treated accordingly. The other side parades its prisoners around the streets while calling for violence. You can look at the value of human life. One side mourns its casualties and yearns for peace. The other side celebrates the death of its people and yearns for destruction. You can look at innocent deaths. One side goes to extraordinary lengths to minimize civilian deaths. The other side does everything in its power to maximize civilian deaths, which they then use as a PR tactic.
You can look at how the war can end. One side can put down its weapons and achieve an instant end to the war. The other side can put down its weapons and be annihilated by the enemy. You can look at the respective charters. One side has a charter (the Torah) that puts peace and human life as the highest value. The other side has a charter that glorifies death and genocide. You can look at the importance of truth.
One side tells the truth even when inconvenient. The other side has a propaganda machine that spreads lies and blood libels all day every day.
The point is, if you see the two sides as good vs evil, congratulations, you are a moral person.
If you don’t see the clear difference, if you compare the two sides, if you make an equal sign between innocent hostages and murderous prisoners, congratulations to you. You are morally bankrupt and an accomplice to murder, rape, abduction, and decapitation.
Israel has always been and will always be the moral side of the Middle East conflict. The other side represents radical Islam and proudly declares that Israel is only its first stop. In order to navigate the challenges the world will face as a result of radical Islam spreading like a cancer, the first thing they need is a compass. If you compare Israel to Hamas, you have no moral compass and when radical Islam comes for you, you will not know where to go or who to turn to. If for no other reason, you should stand with Israel because Israel is fighting this war so you don’t have to.

Germany did not start the war by targeting civilians

They killed 6 million Jews during Holocaust. Is that not enough civilians for you?

How about mentioning the false reports that were refuted and not supported? How about mentioning how the response by Israel probably killed many of the civilians in Israel according to some sources? How about mentioning what happens to the young girls in Israeli prisons? One of the prisoners released fresh from those prisons just spoke about that. How about realizing that people are equal and that Palestinians in large part have been mistreated?

Sources from where, Hamas? Many western News had to apologise to Israel for spreading false info about them. There is only one side that is lying here, and it ain't Israel.
Hours before October 7th, Muslim clerics in Gaza gave Hamas a special ruling that allows them to rape Jewish women. Hundreds of women were raped within hours!

Maybe you should educate your-self what Hamas did Hamas Massacre - October 2023 Israel has every right to defend itself.

Maya Regev, 21, was kidnapped from the Supernova music festival. The terrorists shot her before taking her hostage into Gaza. She remained hostage with a bullet wound for 50 days. She required urgent medical care upon being rescued. Yeah, they took great care of her.

Details are emerging about what the hostages endured in Hamas captivity. Some of them survived on only rice during their last two weeks of captivity. When they were being moved yesterday, some of the hostages feared for their lives as Palestinian crowds hurled stones and other objects at their van.

The ONLY reason Israel will remain (a remnant in the end who get saved) is BECAUSE they are saved and GOD restores and protects them. The unbelieving nation called Israel today has no blessing and protection from God. Except perhaps if we consider that He will ensure that there are Jewish people remaining in the end to get saved.

I am aware one third of Israel will be saved by God's grace, and they will recognise Jesus as their Messiah.

All throughout the modern history of Israel the hand of God in rescuing The Remnant from the gas Chambers and the death camps in Europe the hand of God in bringing them back to a land that once was a Barren Wasteland and now is one of the most fertile grounds in the world the hand of God in Reviving The Old forgotten Hebrew language as the only mean of communication between people that come from more than 80 different diasporas. The hand of God in making sure that the efforts to destroy the newborn state will fail God's hand was all throughout the history of Israel as a newborn State and for the past more than 66 years God is there. The Bible says that he that keep keepeth Israel neither Slumbers nor sleep. The people of Israel are strong and resilient, the people of Israel have seen the great hand of God in protecting and providing everything they needed and we're holding on to the promise that God gave to Israel through the prophet Amos in its ninth chapter
'And I will bring back the captives of My People Israel they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them they shall plant Vineyards and drink wine from them they shall also make Gardens and eat fruit from them I will plant them in their land and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land that I have given them says the Lord your God

 

[truthpls]

There is not one Muslim country that accepts Palestinian refugees. There is one Jew nation, and that Jew nation, Israel, has done more for the Palestinian people, than any other nation ever. So it's insulting that the Palestinian people throw stones at the Jews when in fact Jews are the only group that has been trying to protect them in any administrative way by providing food, water and resources to the people that are there.

Providing? Could not Gaza have their own wells and desalination etc? I think even trade through the crossings was limited, no?

The reason that the Muslim countries are not accepting Palestinians, is because the Muslim countries know how radical and dangerous the Palestinians are. For that reason Egypt and Jordan don't want them there. Iran uses Hamas and Hezbollah as weapons against Israel.

So you say. Could it be that nations cannot take unlimited immigrants? Is there some source you have for claiming the reason nations can't accommodate them is because the refugees are so 'vile and dangerous[?

What does it matter? A truth is truth, no matter who it comes from. And I'd rather trust a Jew than a Palestinian.

In this situation, one side is being bombarded and massive numbers of civilians being killed. That takes away from the credibility of news from the side killing the children.

The point is that the Palestinian children are taught from early age to hate the Jews and to murder them. Do you see any Jewish children being taught that? No.

No? Proof?

It is a known fact that Hamas' own rocket failed and hit it's own hospital. Gaza: Findings on October 17 al-Ahli Hospital Explosion

Your site said that investigation is still needed. wiki says this
"They also said that a conclusive determination was not possible without further evidence, including the remnants of the munition, which Hamas said did not exist. "
So it is not known as I mentioned.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/26/gaza-findings-october-17-al-ahli-hospital-explosion

The Houthi flag reads "Allah is the greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". So you know what kind of people are against Israel.

Religious nutballs?

You know, the distinction between good and evil in this war could not possibly be any clearer. No matter how you want to slice it and what you want to look at, there are not two equal sides here. There is good and there is evil. You can look at the protests. One side sings songs of unity and peace. The other side yells chants of genocide and murder. You can look at the hostages/prisoners. One side longs for its children and wives to unite with their families. The other side demands the release of murderers and terrorists. You can look at how the released are treated.

The ones released from Israel were mostly minors and women. Just because Israel jails someone (maybe without trial in many cases some sources claim) and calls them a 'terrorist' means almost nothing. The US is starting to call Christians terrorist almost.

One side does everything it can to ensure their hostages come home safely and are treated accordingly. The other side parades its prisoners around the streets while calling for violence. You can look at the value of human life. One side mourns its casualties and yearns for peace. The other side celebrates the death of its people and yearns for destruction. You can look at innocent deaths. One side goes to extraordinary lengths to minimize civilian deaths. The other side does everything in its power to maximize civilian deaths, which they then use as a PR tactic.

How transparently false. Israel killed over ten thousand people. If anything the effort was made to kill civilians.

You can look at how the war can end. One side can put down its weapons and achieve an instant end to the war. The other side can put down its weapons and be annihilated by the enemy. You can look at the respective charters.

If Israel is so unwanted and hanging to life only by it's expensive weapons as you suggest, then that cannot work. As the bible says Israel will be attacked by nations. That is how it ends. Is that what you want?

One side has a charter (the Torah) that puts peace and human life as the highest value.

Say what!!? Israel is totally in unbelief. What is this torah charter you speak of?

The other side has a charter that glorifies death and genocide. You can look at the importance of truth.

Babies have no charter. Those who kill thousands of children because of some supposed charter their parent supposedly like are monstrous.

One side tells the truth even when inconvenient. The other side has a propaganda machine that spreads lies and blood libels all day every day.

Not true. I find news to be fairer actually from the Palestinian side (though still biased and requiring a large grain of salt)

The point is, if you see the two sides as good vs evil, congratulations, you are a moral person.

More like a choice between the lesser of two evils. The greater evil is mass murdering civilians.

If you don’t see the clear difference, if you compare the two sides, if you make an equal sign between innocent hostages and murderous prisoners, congratulations to you. You are morally bankrupt and an accomplice to murder, rape, abduction, and decapitation.

Which hostages are you claiming are innocent? I suspect that there are innocents on both sides. But you do not have any right to mass murder civilians because there are hostages on either side.

Israel has always been and will always be the moral side of the Middle East conflict.

I disagree. I think moral would be loving and kind and fair and honest. When a country full of refugees are heaped into barbed wire surround prison camps, and pounded with bombs as needed, that is none of the above.

The other side represents radical Islam and proudly declares that Israel is only its first stop. In order to navigate the challenges the world will face as a result of radical Islam spreading like a cancer, the first thing they need is a compass. If you compare Israel to Hamas, you have no moral compass and when radical Islam comes for you, you will not know where to go or who to turn to. If for no other reason, you should stand with Israel because Israel is fighting this war so you don’t have to.

The world and God can take care of bad religion, thank you very much. The daydreams and wishes of fanatics come and go like grass.

They killed 6 million Jews during Holocaust. Is that not enough civilians for you?

So you agree killing civilians is bad?

Sources from where, Hamas? Many western News had to apologise to Israel for spreading false info about them. There is only one side that is lying here, and it ain't Israel.
Hours before October 7th, Muslim clerics in Gaza gave Hamas a special ruling that allows them to rape Jewish women. Hundreds of women were raped within hours!

Source?

Maybe you should educate your-self what Hamas did Hamas Massacre - October 2023 Israel has every right to defend itself.

Defend, yes. Slaughter children and women en mass, no

Maya Regev, 21, was kidnapped from the Supernova music festival. The terrorists shot her before taking her hostage into Gaza. She remained hostage with a bullet wound for 50 days. She required urgent medical care upon being rescued. Yeah, they took great care of her.

Prove the bullet came from one side or the other?

Details are emerging about what the hostages endured in Hamas captivity. Some of them survived on only rice during their last two weeks of captivity. When they were being moved yesterday, some of the hostages feared for their lives as Palestinian crowds hurled stones and other objects at their van.

There are stories from the other side as well

I am aware one third of Israel will be saved by God's grace, and they will recognise Jesus as their Messiah.

Amen

All throughout the modern history of Israel the hand of God in rescuing The Remnant from the gas Chambers and the death camps in Europe the hand of God in bringing them back to a land that once was a Barren Wasteland and now is one of the most fertile grounds in the world the hand of God in Reviving The Old forgotten Hebrew language as the only mean of communication between people that come from more than 80 different diasporas. The hand of God in making sure that the efforts to destroy the newborn state will fail God's hand was all throughout the history of Israel as a newborn State and for the past more than 66 years God is there.

He ensured Jewish people survived for sure. As for the secular state that is another matter. He knew it would exist. He will not bring Jewish people back and restore them to the land till after they are saved. They got there some other way today.

The Bible says that he that keep keepeth Israel neither Slumbers nor sleep.

Jesus is the God of Israel. He does not slumber or sleep. Nor does He agree with what unbelieving nations do in bombing civilians.

The people of Israel are strong and resilient, the people of Israel have seen the great hand of God in protecting and providing everything

Not in modern Israel. They protect themselves.

they needed and we're holding on to the promise that God gave to Israel through the prophet Amos in its ninth chapter
'And I will bring back the captives of My People Israel they shall build the waste cities and inhabit them they shall plant Vineyards and drink wine from them they shall also make Gardens and eat fruit from them I will plant them in their land and no longer shall they be pulled up from the land that I have given them says the Lord your God

He will bring them back one day, obviously that time has not come yet.

 

[Pekka]

All the numbers of civilian casualties from palestinian sources are not trustworthy because they come from Hamas controlled authorities. Hamas does not care about civilians and they use all means available to accomplish their goal of eliminating Israel. These means include using civilians at human shields by using hospitals and civilian infrastructure for military purposes, making world judge Israel by drawing fire to their own civilians.

Similarly Palestinians stage and film situations where men run and carry dead children and show bodies. It is all to use all available means to make other countries judge Israel and stop supporting Israel. Just compare the videos for Ukraine bombing videos. Why Palestinian footage has only men and the setup is always very similar?

Anything that comes from a source that is sworn to destroy the other party with no moral boundaries, it cannot be trusted at all.

Jews are Gods chosen people and the devil hates them more than anything. That is why there is so much false news on the subject and it fools even many Christians. Please don’t be fooled but pray and look for the truth from Christian sources.

 

[Pekka]

This guy goes through these arguments in his videos.

 

[Pekka]

And did you know that Palestinians got more support than any refugees anywhere ever? They would have a flourishing community with all that money but put the money to weapons and tunnels instead. While their people suffer in poverty. And to the pockets of Hamas leaders.

 

[friend of]

The State of Israel has no prophetic significance anymore. It is not even God's Israel anymore that conditionally observed the Law of Moses and covenant of Abraham in order to possess the land. God abrogated both in Christ. When is Christianity going to wake up and smell the coffee. The Israel of God (Gal. 6:16) no longer features a racial divide neither favors one race above all others. Palestine (the shadow) has been removed and replaced by the reality of Heaven. In Christ, the Israel of God has been given a better realty than anything on this giant dirt ball called the earth. An eternal inheritance of a city built by God himself residing in a unshakeable (indestructible) Kingdom.

If that's true then why is Israel a nation again after so many centuries?