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Preacher Beat At Funeral for "Fire & Brimstone" Message

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fieldsofwind

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and starscream... they could care less whether you approve or not

I don't know the situation... I am not sure about 'tactics'... I listen to the Spirit... He knows the best 'tactics' for every situation.

However, I know that if I was at a funeral where there were people all over who did not believe... I had better say something as well. I would not have screamed out... "hell"... but would have told the truth... just as Christ did. And separation from God is the penalty... regardless of what you believe to come with the separation... for not believing. All men are sought by God... not many really ever answer the call.

If this man was beat for what he said... I'm sure that the likes of you sitting behind your computer screan are the farthest thing from his mind.

take care... and be thankful you are not in a hospital

FOW
 
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Originally posted by fieldsofwind
If this man was beat for what he said... I'm sure that the likes of you sitting behind your computer screan are the farthest thing from his mind.

I'm not sure what the "likes of me" is.  I was under the impression that only I was the "likes of me".  I assure you that you hardly know me and any attempt to generalize me with any other group of people will be met with failure.

But, to play your game of generalization, perhaps "the likes of me" should be on his mind.  I can't think of many other ways for someone to display to me that this talk of "truth" is nothing more than hate-filled prejudice.  Perhaps if he thought of the "likes of me" he would realize what a poor witness he is.

Oh well, I guess this is just a fruitless as trying to share my p.o.v. with Frep Phelps or Osama Bin Laden.  The "likes of me" is going to have very little effect on people who have convinced themselves that they have the "truth", no?
 
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I assure you that you are correct in that I hardly know you. In fact, I don't know you at all, but I do know the "likes of what you post". In that respect... you demeaned the efforts of one man whom I can assure you, oh transformer that I do not know, will not loose sleep over whether you approve of his actions or not.

take care... and remember... we don't know each other

FOW
 
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WWJD?

I haven't read the bible in a long time.  I don't remember the scenes where Jesus went into a place filled with unbelievers and STARTED YELLING AND SCREAMING AND CALLING THEM WHOREMONGERS.  I do remember some gospel passages where Jesus would eat with sinners and harlots and preach the word.  In fact, I think the only time Jesus was mad was when they turned the Holy Temple into a place of business. 

I did look up a passage that might be relevant.  I'm not sure what biblical translation this came from, but it seemed appropriate.


1 Corinthians 13


If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.....
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. It does not call people SINNERS AND WHOREMONGERS AT SOLEMN OCCASIONS.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
 
 
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My comment would be that, while violence is not the answer, profaning the dead is itself sinful enough. Why should I give you KJV references? God's Will is not constrained to a single translation; to say otherwise is to limit God.
 
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My opinion of the action of the preacher? I think he was using manipulative, reprehensible tactics to propagate his personal stance. I think he was giving credence to the notion that Christianity is an anti-intellectual belief system that argues with threats of hell and torture rather than logic and reasoning. Such conduct is degrading to Christianity, and certainly abrasive to anyone who heard that their dead friend/relative/husband/father was writhing in agony, as he would continue to do for all of eternity. Quite frankly, it disgusts me.

Ephesians 4:29 "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

Somehow I doubt that anyone at that funeral was built up according to their needs.

-jon
 
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Originally posted by fieldsofwind
However, I know that if I was at a funeral where there were people all over who did not believe... I had better say something as well. I would not have screamed out... "hell"... but would have told the truth... just as Christ did.

Are you saying that you'd preach your religion at someone else's funeral? I want to make sure I'm understanding you clearly.
 
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I might talk about religion at someone else's funeral - but not if I couldn't do so in a supportive and respectful way. Sinner or not (and we all are, even the Christians here), gay or not, whatever... The dead are in God's hands, and disrespect to them is an affront to Him. He knows His own; we don't.
 
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GOD bless everyone on this forum.

Fieldsofwind:
Amen!

Susan:
You definitely couldn't have been Stephen. It seems that your viewpoints change frequently.

Lynn:
Where are your scriptures? Personal opinions contrary to the word of GOD (Bible truths) are void in this discussion. Please give us the link so that we may find the story on "Google."

Morat:
We did pray for a nurse. Orlando preached to the doctor who walked out of the room (Beforehand GOD showed Orlando a quick vision of the doctor on a treadmill in his house. Orlando shared the vision with the doctor who confirmed that he did owned a treadmill).

Inspired:
You need to repent about your remarks about "GOD hates xxx..." GOD desires that all men come to repentance even homosexuals; however, in no way does GOD condone sin...any sin and effeminates are no exception. The preacher didn't state anything about homosexuals other than there was a "lesbian" on the program who needed to repent of her sins (just like everybody else). Anybody who is having sex OUTSIDE of a marriage vow is considered by the Bible to be in "SIN." This is the truth of GOD'S word and the preacher will not take them back. Please read Romans chapter 1.

Also you said:
"I am from Foley, 20 mins from Loxley. I just found out my friend who is an investigator in Gulf Shores is helping Loxley P.D. out on the case, so I guess I won't comment any further except to say from what I have heard of the case, the people feared for their lives. Spuing hate and yelling at a crowd of morons, does not qualify as praying. As of a week ago there was to be no media coverage of the trail for fear of more violence."

First of all, I don't know if this will get me banned, but you are a liar. No one's life was in danger!!!!!!! My husband stood up in the church AFTER singing a song and preached the gospel message...ONLY! This is a COMMON occurrence in the church AND at funerals. When one is on program to sing, he/she may give a few impromptu words BEFORE or AFTER the song. The words that came from his mouth were directly from the WORD OF GOD (the BIBLE). Based on his First Amendment Rights alone, no one had the right to hit him for his "sermon."

In elementary school, we learned this...remember. For instance, "sticks-and-stones-may-break-my-bones-but-WORDS-may-NEVER-harm-me." This was a defense mechanism for little Johnny if Tommy called his mother a "Tomato Head." We were taught as young as children that we don't have a right to slug a person JUST BECAUSE HE/SHE MADE A STATEMENT THAT WE DIDN'T LIKE. So as adults, the same rules apply.

If the police officers had done their jobs, they would have discovered that the men who hit him had PREMEDITATED what they were going to do to the preacher to stop him from preaching about "whoremongers," etc. If they had questioned the witness ("David"), he would have told them that he heard a man threathen to "kill" the preacher. This was not a spontaneous outburst at a "solemn" event, but a vendetta to silence the preacher and his fire-and-brimstone messages which was obviously despised by the funeral goers.

The people at the funeral couldn't have FEARED FOR THEIR LIVES because quite a few of them know of us and others know about us winning souls in the community with the fire-and-brimstone messages. We have been to their homes (somewhat like the Jehovah's Witnesses' cult) to pray for them personally and I would conclude that NO ONE at the funeral was afraid of my husband. The youth in the area have received laying-on-of-hands and prayers to accept JESUS. We've taken various youth on numerous field trips (in which we pay for the majority of the expenses) and given them "free" pizza, basketball, ping pong, foosball, air-hockey, bumper pool, Nintendo, Christian "rap" concerts, and evangelistic movie showings. We have only been a blessing in the town of Loxley since we have been here. Officer Atkins even told me that we were good for the community and he also REMEMBERED that we prayed for him in times past (to paraphrase).

Second of all, the Loxley Police Department is full of a bunch of crooks (sinners) who are involved in illegal activity such as conspiring to make FALSE arrests based on fraud by attempting to discourage and hinder us from preaching the gospel in this area. Also, they were angry themselves at the preacher who was beaten because the message that my husband was delivering was pricking their own hearts of their wicked lifestyles, too. The Loxley police department was involved in a CONSPIRACY against us and has used their authority for illegal activity such as not arresting criminals because of their own (Loxley Police) personal bias...which is against the law. They were hired as police officers and not judges. There was a witness that saw the whole incident and STILL the police refused, including Kate Hicks, to make arrests. As a result of their negligence, a second physical assault (and several attempted assaults) against the preacher took place that same day from that same mob. There was NO funeral "fight," the preacher was a victim of assault-and-battery and a ploy to strip him of his First Amendment Rights. Contrary to your statements, if there had been initial arrests made by the Loxley Police, NO ONE should have been in FEAR of MORE violence subsequently because the REAL criminals would have been placed in jail.

Speaking of "Gulf Shores," I called them personally (Gulf Shores police) when this assault and battery first took place and the Loxley police department refused to do their jobs, and the Gulf Shores policemen told me that upon my explanation of what happened, that they would have DEFINITELY made arrests of the criminals. Huey Mack of the sheriff's department stated, "Loxley Police Department messed-up BIG TIME!!!!" As of now, these 3 men have NOT BEEN ARRESTED!!!!! Unfortunately, the offenders are still loose and ONLY a summons (to appear in court on November 21, 2002) was issued from the sheriff's department with the help of the District Attorney's Office.

Their (Loxley Police) report of people being "afraid" of the preacher is a BIG facade, scam and cover-up by Chief Cliff Yetter. With this trumped up story, the officers are trying to deter everyone's attention from the truth of them WILLINGLY REFUSING to do their jobs in arresting criminals. The Chief of Police lied (illegal cover-up) to the Mobile Press Register when he told them that the preacher ONLY had a scratch and the doctor's reports prove that the men purposely beat the preacher so severely that his nose was actually broken (i.e.: the medical records read..."non-displaced nasal fracture"). One blow to the head could kill a person and the preacher suffered numerous blows to the head with their fists including several cuts and bruises. Chief Yetter said that the preacher was "slandering" the family. Who made Chief Yetter "judge-and-jury"? To tell someone they are going to hell if they don't repent is a Bible passage, not slander. Slander is to "lie" on someone.

The ones who are in FEAR is the Loxley Police Department (Cliff Yetter, Mitchell, Brook, Maddox, and Kay Hicks the magistrate) that they may loose their jobs because of their conspiracy against the preacher and myself. In front of Channel TV5 News Chief Yetter threatened me to "Shut my mouth!" and told me that I was making EVERYONE mad in the police station. He said this because they didn't think that their illegal activity would be exposed INTERNATIONALLY by myself (BA degree in broadcast journalism and professional advocate).

The police are not exempt from abiding by the law themselves. Who are they kidding? A couple of teenagers were arrested for "shoplifting" at Wal-Mart in Daphne shortly after the assault-and-battery incident at the funeral by the 3 men who were positively identified (and a mob who have not all been identified). These youth were placed in "handcuffs" and taken to jail...on-the-spot! Now people will chose what crimes they want to get away with.

I have visited the Loxley station and not only was Sgt. Mitchell smoking in a supposedly "no smoking zone." but they were also watching on television very violent movies. They aggressively refused to fill out paperwork because officer Brock stated that they "...don't get paid enough," and "Paul was beaten, but he didn't press charges," but they have enough time to watch wicked movies during work hours? My husband and I confronted the mayor Middleton about the highly opinionated police officers blatantly refusing to arrest people for crimes.

Just recently we saw Chief Yetter passing out candy on Halloween in the town of Loxley police car (lights were blinking). Police have time to pass out candy, but don't have time to protect the community and innocent citizens by arresting attempted murderers?

You read the article (apart from the gossip about some land which is irrelevant and only a decoy) and you saw where Chief Yetter lied to cover-up their blatant decision to not ARREST THE ASSAULT AND BATTERY OFFENDERS because they were personally offended and chose not to do what their responsibility was as officers to help victims of violent crimes.

By the way speaking of being a "Christian" and walking in "love" and turning the "other cheek," the apostle Orlando Bethel didn't try to strike back at anytime while the violence against him took place. Praise the LORD. The Bible stated that we would be beaten in the synagogues (the church) for standing up for Christ (Mark 13:9).

We are praying that the 3 men who beat the preacher (for no reason but hate) will be arrested at that time and given a penalty for their crimes. And yes we will be praying for them to get saved and filled with the HOLY GHOST. But we are not going to allow these people to do wrong and get away with it. This is our job as Christians to make sure that the laws of the land are being upheld because it is against the law to hit another person without cause. It is against the law, too, for paid police officers to refuse to protect innocent citizens based on personal bias or to turn their heads because of their (Caucasians) refusal to deal with "black-on-black" crimes.

After the November trial is over, the NEXT focus will be on the other real criminals instead of ourselves. Everyone in the world will get a chance to read MORE about what the "criminals" in the Loxley Police Department are doing in this once "quiet" small town. The Loxley Police have refused to arrest criminals for years now in this area even BEFORE we came here to Loxley. What they were doing in the dark is just now being exposed.

Contrary to what you are posting here "Inspired," there is going to be A LOT more media coverage once November trial is over because I will be giving my FULL ATTENTION in exposing the illegal activities of Chief Cliff Yetter, Mitchell, Brook, Maddox and Kate Hicks (Loxley Police Department staff) in the media including local and national television, radio programs, newspapers, internet, etc.

Brandon Kirby from the Mobile Press Register is waiting for the lawsuit filing so that he may run the story about the Loxley Police conspiracy. Greta Van of "On the Record" (CNN) e-mailed me, her assistant called us twice and now Greta has forwarded the story to her producer. The Ricky Lake Show producer called and wants us to come on, as well. When we go on these highly popular programs (in which the viewership will be in the millions) our focus will NOT ONLY BE THE FUNERAL incident, but also the injustices imposed on us by the Loxley Police Department's neglect and the pain and sufferings (persecutions) that we have had to go through as ministers preaching the gospel. In addition, these reporters will be able to save money from flying to China to report on "martyrdom" because they can get a first hand report of religious persecutions (abuse) right here in Loxley, AL.

(to be continued)
 
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LORD we bless YOU for YOUR word and that YOU are a just GOD.

Attorneys have also been sought and we will be filing a lawsuit (1983 suit) in December against the illegal activity of the Loxley police including purposely refusing to arrest criminals based on conspiracy, discrimination, and impeding our First Amendment Rights to preach the gospel. The story will NOT die because others including preachers throughout the U.S. are watching the outcome. If these men are not given a guilty verdict, then a negative message will be sent to the world.

Nevertheless, if these men are released with no remedy, we are prepared to protest through the public. I don't think Burris of "Burris Farms" is going to be pleased with all of this NEGATIVE publicity because I know that it will hurt his business that he has located here in Loxley. Once the "parade permit" is granted, I will make it my business to parade the streets with signs to let our visitors know that Loxley is a very dangerous place for them to frequent seeing that prevention of crime is not the priority, but having a "Strawberry" festival is.

The Alabama Bureau of Investigation is also monitoring the unlawful actions of the Loxley Police Department including the District Attorney. Also, the State Attorney General has been notified about this case, too.

In conclusion, I love everyone who has done us wrong and we forgive them, but what does this mean? Beat a preacher for preaching the gospel...get ignored. Shoplift in Wal-Mart...get arrested. So we see what this injustice will do to our society. From now on will pastors, etc. have to wear a helmet in the pulpit and leave their cars running in the parking lot? If you want to "get-away" with hitting a man of GOD through revenge, do you call the Loxley Police Department to tell you that because the preacher is guilty of "slandering" (if he speaks about "hell" or "fornication") you have a right to beat him?

GOD is NOT pleased and the judgment of GOD rests on Loxley, Alabama.

Eccl 8:11
11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. (KJV)
 
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1. declaring a person to be in Hell is blasphemy. It is usurping the reign of God and declaring oneself Lord over Creation.

2. it is a horrible offense against Christian love to add to the torment of those grieving the loss of a loved one. If one wants to prod people back to Jesus, use the occasion to remind them that death comes unexpectedly. Fire and brimstone will only further alienate the lost. Reaching out a hand will get a better response than shaking a fist.

3. one is a guest at a funeral and should remember this comes with some obligations of respect.

4. I think this preacher has already received his reward.
 
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I think you have made the mistake of thinking that he was beaten "for preaching the gospel". He was beaten (wrongly, I agree) for attacking people - their beliefs, their lives, and their right to have a funeral in which the dead are respected.

What he did, too, was wrong.
 
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