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Pentecostalism and Sex

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god made sex to be special when you marry someone. to me its like a gift from god so you and your spouse can show eachohter how you feel and love eachother. when your naked together making love that is the most deepest way to show you love eachother. your body becomes 1 as you make love. if you make love outside of being married then that i feel is wrong.
 
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I was never taught anything about sex or which acts are acceptable. My own opinion FWIW is that mb, and oral are fine but not anal. If menstrual blood was to be avoided in the OT then I'm sure scat was to be avoided too.

My early pentecostal upbringing we did not go to public swimming pools where there was mixed bathing. At church camp boys and girls swam at different times. At home we swam in the crick that was under a covered bridge. Back then there was more modesty, the hidden, the mysterious all that I believe heightened the sexual senses for sex as we got older. Now it's always out there, nothing chaste or special. I feel we have taken some of the glory and beauty away from how sex functions in our lives.
 
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The question about the stance of pentecotalism to sex should be what does God says about sex?

Sex is not jsut a denominational thing. it cuts across denominational boundaries.It affect everybody.All of us whether christain or not is a product of sex.

Now back to addressing why God created sex.

If you could rememeber in the Bible right i Genesis chapter 1,God created man in his own image first and then we were told He made the male and female.

Let me make you understand what the image of God is.

The image of God is the way we look.It is plain that the Bible says that we were created in God's image and likeness.So, if man has lips,eyes,hands and the rest.Then,God though in spirit form has these same features.

See the Bible tells God walked in the garden in the cool of day to commune with Adam and Eve.He talked to Moses from the burning bush and so many instances we see God does what man does.

But the huge difference between God's image and ours is that God is entirely spirit in form and we are made form dust and matter.That makes us flesh and blood in form.

Then he made Man called Adam two gender;Male and Female.Can't you see right there that we were made sexual being right form the beginning. God had in mind that man will reproduce.Remember His blessing that man should be fruitful and multiply.That is man's procreation is to be by sex.

Man and the woman created had all the hormones that triggers sex attraction,sexual feeling and the sexual acts. See how Adam called out when God brought Adam to him and said;
"This is the bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh;she shall be called a woman."

Why do think Adam made such comment. It is nothing but his hormone working together with God's revelation of the being God has given him.He was attracted to the woman immediately he saw her. Just like any man would feel attracted to a beautiful damsel.

Mind you what many don't know is that Adam was not in the garden just managing it.God was taking time to teach and train him all that pertains to him living his life to the full on earth.

God would have taught him about plants,animals,seas,non living organisms and as well teaching about the most important person to come to his life and help him succeed on earth-the woman.

So, God would have taught him about sex and explained to him what and why he had the sex organ and how to use them when the woman comes to his life.

It is unarguable that sex is God made and was made for man's procreation to fulfill God's purpose for his life.

Then let look which sex acts or position that is godly.

As pertaining sexual acts or positions,no where do you see in the bible any mention or incident of that.

But God did give us principle that we can take a cue form and see if sexual positions or acts is supported or rejected by God.

Just as you and I know, that sex is ordained for marriage. It is the height of the body union between the man and woman. Whichever act or position they use, one may say is personal and between the both.

But how about the virtue of temperance.That is self-control as being given by Paul to us as the one of the fruit of the Spirit.

If you engage in oral,anal and other sex positions being evolved by so called sex experts today.You should note that the underlying cause for using these various sex positions is to satisfy yourself.Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you should not derived satisfaction from your partner while having sex but there is a limit for satisfaction.

The essence of self control is being moderation.The Bible says let our moderation be known unto all men.The Lord is at hand.Therefore, any excessive or too much of focus on just that satisfaction of sex is therefore ungodly.

Why will not foreplay like fondling,stroking and sucking breast and the rest not be enough for arousing both partners.There is no way you use these foreplay and you both don't get aroused.This is the limit that sexual positions and acts should go.Anything beyond the regular foreplay is of he flesh and therefore a sin.

I hope this answer your question and everybody here can learn form this.

God bless you all.
 
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The image of God is the way we look.It is plain that the Bible says that we were created in God's image and likeness.So, if man has lips,eyes,hands and the rest.Then,God though in spirit form has these same features.
I will mildly disagree with this statement, though I agree with most of the rest of your post.

The image of God is not visual, but what manner of being that God is. God is a spiritual being, meant to live for eternity, and having the choices and abilities to choose right and wrong. By His very nature, He chooses right all the time.

Man is also a spiritual being, and our spirit will live forever, either in Heaven or Hell. We, too, have the ability to choose right or wrong, though with our human fleshly nature, we tend to choose wrong more times than not.

The Bible says that God is Spirit, and anyone who worships Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. I believe that this is true - God is a Spirit. Jesus is God, wrapped up in human flesh. The Spirit of God is God in us.
 
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:clap:Sex between a man and wife... Anything between the married couple goes as long as it is consensual... Just because one person thinks the only way to have sex is missionary does not make it so... I was out of my house for a time due to a legal problem, (nothing between my wife and myself) and when I was able to get back together with my wife, I asked the Lord what was permissable and the answer was the bedroom is sacred and we could do whatever pleased us, and I am sticking to that.:liturgy:
 
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:clap:Sex between a man and wife... Anything between the married couple goes as long as it is consensual... Just because one person thinks the only way to have sex is missionary does not make it so... I was out of my house for a time due to a legal problem, (nothing between my wife and myself) and when I was able to get back together with my wife, I asked the Lord what was permissable and the answer was the bedroom is sacred and we could do whatever pleased us, and I am sticking to that.:liturgy:

no - buggery is wrong (anal) it is " exchanging the natural for the unnatural "and lowering the temple of the holy Spirit to the base level of beasts.

(for do you not know that your body is a temple )

as for the OP and the reference to masturbation -perhaps the question should have been reworded to " is it sin to gratify the carnal lusts of the flesh "
then the answer becomes simple ...
Yes - it is sin .

for we are not called to walk after the flesh nor fulfill the lusts thereof but to walk after the Spirit and put to death the "sinful" works of the flesh .
for to whom you yield your members (parts of the body) to his servants you will become .

modern attitudes are changing - the Word of God is not .
 
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Well, for the most part what is unnatural for one is natural for another. Just as Paul in 1 Cor.11 says that nature tells us a woman's long hair is for her a covering and her glory. Same Greek as Rom.1. But many Godly woman today in many churches have short hair and that is natural for them and so Paul went on to say - If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

Yes, it is a sin to gratify the carnal lusts of the flesh. But when Paul is speaking of the flesh he is talking about sinful desires and its not sinful to to desire sexual gratification as God created that desire with puberty. SO it seems clear to me if we teach that sexual desires are sinful then we are teaching that God created sinful desires in us.
 
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Well, for the most part what is unnatural for one is natural for another. Just as Paul in 1 Cor.11 says that nature tells us a woman's long hair is for her a covering and her glory. Same Greek as Rom.1. But many Godly woman today in many churches have short hair and that is natural for them and so Paul went on to say - If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

Yes, it is a sin to gratify the carnal lusts of the flesh. But when Paul is speaking of the flesh he is talking about sinful desires and its not sinful to to desire sexual gratification as God created that desire with puberty. SO it seems clear to me if we teach that sexual desires are sinful then we are teaching that God created sinful desires in us.
(my reply is prompted by your post but directed to all

This can not be so as it pertains to sexual immorality and sin .I am surprised why so few do not realize why anal is wrong .. yet in argument given they agree with why . for they say and agree that sex was given for procreation... and anal sex literally ends procreation .

It difficult to not sound base.but in such a case the "life seed" is being pushed up the waste pipe !this both ends the cycle of life God designed and insults the designer.
have you ever asked where any one got the idea to preform many of these acts ? one merely needs to see chimpanzees in the wild - the stuff they almost never show on TV and you will see why it is referred to as "acting like the beasts of the field" .

that which is natural is sex for the purpose of unity and procreation .
and that which is natural and Aligned with the word of God for one ..can only be unnatural to another, if they are at enmity with God .

remember i worded the question differently - but if each one were to bow in prayer and ask the Holy Spirit (in whom we live and move and have our being ) for permission to submit their body to carnal acts of self gratification which is simply self worship -giving worth to -the flesh - None of you could tell me in honesty that such permission was granted and remain honest .

God loves us all and in such perfect love he will lead us guide us and transform us into the image of Christ Jesus that we may be ..LIKE HE IS ! and i assure you ... he does not do such things .

we are all at differing stages of our growth in him ..some struggle a lot and he loves you all the more for your faith in him knowing that he (GOD) will perfect that which concerns you and present you faultless before his throne .. so never be discouraged ..only believe .
 
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I understand where your coming from Michael. But to me procreation is a secondary reason for sex. Women have way more eggs than they can have fertilized to grow into babies. Men have billions of sperm that can't possible impregnate an egg. Even couples who put procreation 1st in their priorities for sex don't come close.

That leaves us with unity which I think is high on the list of reasons for a couple expressing this love. But I'd not end the list there. I think intimacy and pleasure are also on the list of reasons God made sex work the way He did. I would think the pleasure aspect is obvious, but I'm just recently understanding the intimacy and how much that is a part of the desires we have in being.

My personal testimony is that I've sought God and have prayed and medicated on the excellencies of God's perfections for almost 50 yrs now. I only worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I'm lead to understand that self-gratification is part of loving our self. God after all loved Himself for an eternity before He created any creation to love. God is love and all He had before time was Himself to love. The love God has for His creation is not a new love, but the love that God has had for all time and before time. Just now He have created a creation to expand that express of love to. We see this in Jesus saying we are to love our neighbor as our self. Jesus assumes we will love our self. That is my honest reply.
 
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on the excellencies of God's perfections for almost 50 yrs now. I only worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I'm lead to understand that self-gratification is part of loving our self. God after all loved Himself for an eternity before He created any creation to love. God is love and all He had before time was Himself to love. The love God has for His creation is not a new love, but the love that God has had for all time and before time. Just now He have created a creation to expand that express of love to. We see this in Jesus saying we are to love our neighbor as our self. Jesus assumes we will love our self. That is my honest reply.

Well an honest reply is appreciated . however your conclusion sounds more reasoned of the mind then of the Spirit . seeing as we are called to "lay down our lives"
So i must remain unmoved on my stance ..as and i too am just being honest - your statement does not agree with the word of God - in that it excuses living to fulfill the carnal nature in opposition .. to the Holy Spirit and the written word (Romans being my favorite in regard to this topic)
BUT.... please dont think i make that a stance of judgment ..if your conscience does not condemn you then ....

But for me - i know it is wrong to do so , unnecessary to do so ,self motivated to do so ,
and in opposition to living after the "Spirit " and not after the flesh.We have so great a cloud of witnesses....
 
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My personal testimony is that I've sought God and have prayed and medicated on the excellencies of God's perfections for almost 50 yrs now.

May I safely assume you meant meditated rather than partaking of a chemical aid during one's own devotions ?

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Amen Michael, I was forming the exact same thoughts.

ty lol i feel lonely at times there seems to be a flood of reasoning that is not at harmony with the Holy Spirit within me .. but God loves us and works constantly to perfect us ..

And
The Bible says that God is Spirit, and anyone who worships Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth. I believe that this is true - God is a Spirit. Jesus is God, wrapped up in human flesh. The Spirit of God is God in us.
- stormy.. my sister -this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood but by our father in Heaven :clap: how right you are :clap:
 
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I understand, Michael, seems like you replied with a pretty gracious reply. :)

Well an honest reply is appreciated . however your conclusion sounds more reasoned of the mind then of the Spirit . seeing as we are called to "lay down our lives"
So i must remain unmoved on my stance ..as and i too am just being honest - your statement does not agree with the word of God - in that it excuses living to fulfill the carnal nature in opposition .. to the Holy Spirit and the written word (Romans being my favorite in regard to this topic)
BUT.... please dont think i make that a stance of judgment ..if your conscience does not condemn you then ....

But for me - i know it is wrong to do so , unnecessary to do so ,self motivated to do so ,
and in opposition to living after the "Spirit " and not after the flesh.We have so great a cloud of witnesses....
 
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Ops, your right John, my lack of spelling abilities got me. I've never taken drugs.

May I safely assume you meant meditated rather than partaking of a chemical aid during one's own devotions ?

John
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"Finding Fuel in Faith" is a page where scriptures and inspirational posts are posted almost daily for those who love the Lord and need a little inspiration, motivation and encouragement to keep fueling their faith. Like us on Facebook finding fuel in faith

:p talk about off topic lol
 
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Acts 15:29 lists 4 Old Testament practices that the Gentile churches should still follow:

1. Don't eat food sacrificed to idols (this would include fruits in front of a Buddha, Halal meats, etc.)
2. Blood (would include black pudding, etc.)
3. Meat of strangled animals (blood-rich meats)
4. Sexual immorality (this includes all the sexual sins of Leviticus)

So, my wife and I avoid sex during menstruation. If you can't find it in the Bible as being wrong, then it's OK (but I would warn that anal definitely has health issues and would avoid it, personally). Song of Solomon certainly implies oral.
 
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PRMan,
That list of 4 things that the early church set for guidelines is an interesting study. Sometimes the order changes and there seems to be a softening by Paul when he speaks of the weak and strong brother.
But the thing I've read about this list that has stayed with me the most was an article I read a few years ago now, that said all 4 of these had as their back ground idol worship. Which I find as a major theme of the Bible saying that God is alive so why are you worshiping dead object you made with your own hands.
 
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The Holy Bible (especially the Torah) does NOT ever label masturbation as a "sin", but rather, clearly illustrates that all that is necessary after the emission of sperm (whether it's during masturbation OR marital sexual intercourse) is to simply ritually cleanse oneself and anything that the sperm comes into contact with.

While there are some so-called religious "scholars" out there who claim that it is "sin", according to traditional Jewish writings. However,...we must not follow man-made tradition (which Messiah warned causes the "word of God to become of no effect"), but rather, stick to ONLY the holy and divinely-inspired Word of Yahweh. What does His Word say about seminal emissions?

"Whenever a man has an emission of sperm, he must bathe his entire body in water, and he will remain ceremonially unclean until the next evening. And every garment and every skin on which the sperm comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of sperm, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening." (Leviticus 15:16-18)

Do you notice the context of this passage? Verses 16 and 17 are specifically referring to a man emitting sperm WHILE ALONE,....and then verse 18 refers to the husband and wife being together. All that is necessary for either scenario is to wash and become clean. There is absolutely NO mention anywhere of "sin" and "transgression" in reference to masturbation or the "spilling of seed", at all.

Also,...there are MANY believers who teach that masturbation not only helps cleanse the flow of sexual hormones (thus reducing the risk of cancer, etc.), boosts the immune system, relieves depression, anxiety, insomnia and other negative emotional/physical states, helping one to become relaxed, calm, and able to sleep deeply again. Likewise, for single people (and also married couples during brief periods times of sexual inactivity) it also helps to reduce the risk of sexual lust towards others by reducing the intensity of the urges, and bringing much-needed release and relief.

The "sin of Onan" (from Bereshith/(Genesis 38:3-10) is NOT about masturbation at all,...but rather, specifically coitus interruptus. He had sex with his sterile brother's wife, but deliberately refused to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] within her. He went outside his tent to spill his seed upon the ground, rather than impregnating her as he should have done, in order to continue the genetic bloodline. Because he basically "sowed death" by refusing to giving the life of his seed, Yahweh killed him.

Here is one of numerous sources which confirm this reality :

"when Onan had sex with Tamar, he disregarded this principle when he withdrew before climax and "spilled his seed [or sperm] on the ground", since any child born would not legally be considered his heir. He disregarded the principle of a levirate union, so he died prematurely, exactly as God had warned would happen.....

According to some Bible critics who contextually read this passage, the description of Onan is an origin myth concerning fluctuations in the constituency of the tribe of Judah, with the death of Onan reflecting the dying out of a clan; Er and Onan are hence viewed as each being representative of a clan, with Onan possibly representing an Edomite clan named Onam, mentioned by an Edomite genealogy in Genesis.
Also, it has been suggested that God's anger was directed not at the sexual act, but at Onan's disobedience by refusing to impregnate his brother's widow. It is also clear from the text that God was not angry at all, since the word "anger" or "angry" appears nowhere in those verses.

The text emphasizes the social and legal situation, with Judah explaining what Onan must do and why. A plain reading of the text is that Onan was killed because he refused to follow instructions. Scholars have argued that the secondary purpose of the narrative about Onan and Tamar, of which the description of Onan is a part, was to either assert the institution of levirate marriage, or present an aetiological myth for its origin; Onan's role in the narrative is, thus, as the brother abusing his obligations by agreeing to sexual intercourse with his dead brother's wife, but refusing to allow her to become pregnant as a result. Emerton regards the evidence for this to be inconclusive, although classical rabbinical writers argued that this narrative describes the origin of levirate marriage.

A number of scholars maintain that the story does not refer to masturbation, but to coitus interruptus, and that the Bible does not claim that masturbation would be sinful." (from :Wikipedia about Onan)

Let us test the Word of the Scriptures together, and hold fast to that which is good, while dispensing of negative, burdensome, and fallible man-made traditions which can potentially block, hinder, and nullify the progression of His Truth which liberates us.

I do not believe that the Holy Spirit is grieved, quenched or vexed by masturbation at all, because the Scriptures hold up the Truth with clarity. There are MANY credible medical sources (and health magazines) out there which confirm the reality that masturbation is VERY healthy for the body and mind, produces numerous benefits which enhance vitality and livelihood.

Your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. Do your best to maintain it in good health, so that you will experience proper balance and harmony of your body with your soul and spirit.

Many Christians-Messianics believe that righteous masturbation is healthy and good for you, whether single or married, as long as it is conducted with self-control, wisdom and holiness, without going to any extremes, including lust, lasciviousness (lack of restraint by overindulging in excessiveness). As the saying goes : "All things in moderation..." Another expression goes : "Too much of any good thing will hurt you". In and of itself,...masturbation (just like marital intercourse) IS a divine gift to us who were created as powerful sexual beings.

Those who ignore the gift of sexual release (in a proper and holy manner, while abstaining from lust towards a non-spouse/outside of marriage) are only hurting themselves physically, emotionally, mentally, etc. Those who use their Yahweh-given imagination and physical abilities can experience true release and rest (which follows).

A single person can 100% avoid lust/adultery by righteously fantasizing about an imaginary partner (who does not exist). A married person can fantasize about their spouse during brief periods of intercourse inactivity. This helps prevent the tension and frustration from building to an uncomfortable point and causing further dysfunction. Our heavenly Creator has given us this ability, and we should use it to our express benefit and blessing, just as He intended, when He created us with arms perfectly lengthened with hands (and opposable thumbs) which reaches our private area with excellent accuracy. This is divinely-planned, and nothing is coincidental.
 
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