Only Three Are Tormented Eternally

[Dan Perez]

That's fine but it didn't to the Greek speakers when the books were written. That was from the bad translation into Latin which Augustine enforced with the possibility of banishment or death, and that's why its been propagated till this very day in most but not all English translations of scripture.

And in Rev 20: 14 and 15 say that whosoever was NOT // OU is a DISJUNCATIVE PRTICIPLE NEGATIVE and means

NEVERRRRRRR found written in the BOOK of LIFE , was CAST into the LAKE of FIRE where , in verse 10 , the DEVIL

and n the BEAST and FALSE PROPHET shall be TORMENTED Day and Night , for EVER and EV ER

and this means ALL people !!

dan p

 

[CoreyD]

How is " sinners suffering in hell for eternity just" not just one more lie from satan to make God out to be a monster and not the loving God that he is? God hates unjust measurements, one of the very things he said he specifically hates, and yet you say that to punish eternally for a mortal finite sin is justified? No, Gods judgments are fair and loving and he correct by removing all that is not of him, some have more some have less, but no person deserves or will get eternal punishment, that's just not Gods character or nature. Lamentations 3:31-33 For the Lord will not reject us forever, though he causes grief, he then has compassion on us according to the abundance of his loyal kindness, for hi is not predisposed to afflict or to grieve people.

Jeremiah 7:31 clearly shows that the idea of God burning his children in a fiery lake, is really a lie from Satan.
The Bible clearly states that the lake of fire is used as a symbol for the second death. Revelation 1:1; Revelation 20:13, 14. Not a literal lake of fire.

 

[Mr. M]

Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
Death and Hades are also cast there. Are they tormented?
This verse cited in the OP is more telling..
Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
This verse states quite clearly that their part in the lake of fire is the second death, not torment.
At the judgment, they receive a death sentence. This should not be complicated. They are not sentenced to rehabilitation or community service. They aren't sentenced to 30 years w/o parole, or a thousand years in chains and then loosed for one more try. The judgment is final and everlasting. Death! not torment. Where there will be no memorial.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
Death and Hades are also cast there. Are they tormented?
This verse cited in the OP is more telling..
Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
This verse states quite clearly that their part in the lake of fire is the second death, not torment.
At the judgment, they receive a death sentence. This should not be complicated. They are not sentenced to rehabilitation or community service. They aren't sentenced to 30 years w/o parole, or a thousand years in chains and then loosed for one more try. The judgment is final and everlasting. Death! not torment. Where there will be no memorial.

If they are no more how are they back on the New Earth outside the gates and not allowed to enter because they didn't have Gods mark upon then? Rev 22:15 Outside are the curs and the sorcerers and the whorish and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. these seem to be the same ones who went into the lake of fire.

 

[CoreyD]

If they are no more how are they back on the New Earth outside the gates and not allowed to enter because they didn't have Gods mark upon then? Rev 22:15 Outside are the curs and the sorcerers and the whorish and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. these seem to be the same ones who went into the lake of fire.

If I am allowed to answer that...
The city New Jerusalem is not a literal city, but the lamb's wife, which is his body (the Church).
So, this refers to the fact that no unrighteous individual became part of his spirit anointed brothers.

I can point you to a post where I discuss that, with the scriptures to support it, if you want to see the scriptures.
Here are two. Revelation 21:9-22:5; Revelation 19:7, 8

 

[Mr. M]

If they are no more how are they back on the New Earth outside the gates and not allowed to enter because they didn't have Gods mark upon then? Rev 22:15 Outside are the curs and the sorcerers and the whorish and the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. these seem to be the same ones who went into the lake of fire.

Thanks Jeff. An excellent verse that must be considered. Unfortunately, this is where OSAS is going to blow up in people's faces.
There are two ways to not be found in the book of life. One, to never have been born again. These unbelievers are judged by their works, (no faith, no Grace). However, this is merciful by God in sentencing unbelievers to the second death. Here's why.
The second way to not be found in the book of Life is to have been placed there and removed, I.e. they fail to overcome.
Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Also on topic:
Revelation 2:11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Because we are later told in Rev 20, that those who refused the mark of the beast partake of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them, we can see why these overcomers are free of that judgment.

Judgment for those who accepted the free gift of eternal life, only to "neglect so great a salvation", are not sentenced to death. They are cast into "outer darkness" which is outside the city, because the fullness of Glory in the Father and Son is the "greater glory". (Note: Rev. 22:15 makes no mention of fire lake.)​

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

And here is the error, weeping and gnashing of teeth is not an expression of an imposed torment. It is the anguish of soul of those who will spend eternity (OSAS) outside the city with the unfaithful saved who turned away, and are thrust out. This is why Peter wrote:
2 Peter 2:
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Why? Because a death sentence for those who reject Christ is merciful compared to the saved who are found unfaithful and remain outside the city for eternity with the defiled. I asked the Holy Spirit to wrap this up for me at the end of the study. What I received, I will present to the Church.
"The degree to which we draw near to God in this life,
is the nearness to God we will experience in eternity".
If this is difficult for anyone, try studying the meaning of
the Korab Korban (draw near offering).
Mark 7:
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me (draw near) with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Isaiah 29:13 Therefore the Lord said:
“Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

How is " sinners suffering in hell for eternity just" not just one more lie from satan to make God out to be a monster and not the loving God that he is?

So you want God not to punish evil? That's not just, that's not love. Love is to justly punish all evil, all sin.

Sin separates us from the Holy God. You cannot enter in God's presense unless you are washed with the blood of Christ, otherwise you will die. Like the sons of Aaron who approached the Holy God and were killed on the spot.

The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. Hell is a place where people are eternally separated from God. Separated from the source of life, everything that is good. People in hell will neevr smile, never be happy, never feel goodness, just eternal torment.

You know what the problem with sin is? When we sin, we tell our Creator 'no God I will not obey you, because I know better'. Everytime we sin we try to replace God.

It's tragic when Christians downplay sin. Just look at the consequences of Adam and Eve sinning. Well, they 'only' ate from a tree, so what's the big deal, right?

God is angry at us for our sins. God hates a sinner as it is written in Psalm 5, but that does not get preached. The churches today are so weak even pathetic, because they never warn of sin and it's deadly consequences. Just cheap love love love but nothing about God's wrath, even though God's wrath is mentioned far more than His love.

If you want to understand God's wrath, just look at what Chirst has endured on the cross.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Are you able to explain why torturing is just and why God who is love must torture living beings (not some hypothetical "evil", but real beings you meet in the shopping mall or in a work place), even for eternity?

Are you able to explain why torturing is just and why God who is love must torture living beings (not some hypothetical "evil", but real beings you meet in the shopping mall or in a work place), even for eternity?

Are you able to explain why torturing is just and why God who is love must torture living beings (not some hypothetical "evil", but real beings you meet in the shopping mall or in a work place), even for eternity?

So you want God no to punish evil? How can a good God not punish sin?

The Scripture talks lot more about God's wrath than His love. You know why? Because God is angry at us for our sins, but delays His just wrath as He desires all come to Him, and repent. But one day that will end.

The wrath of God is a divine response to human sin and disobedience. The wrath of God is consistently directed towards those who do not follow His will (Deuteronomy 1:26-46). The Old Testament prophets often wrote of a day in the future, the "day of wrath" (Zephaniah 1:14-15). God’s wrath against sin and disobedience is perfectly justified because His plan for mankind is holy and perfect, just as God Himself is holy and perfect. God provided a way to gain divine favor—repentance—which turns God’s wrath away from the sinner. To reject that perfect plan is to reject God’s love, mercy, grace and favor and incur His righteous wrath.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus speaks of the judgment of God and serious consequences for the unrepentant sinner (Luke 16:19–31). John 3:36 says, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” The one who believes in the Son will not suffer God’s wrath for his sin, because the Son took God’s wrath upon Himself when He died in our place on the cross (Romans 5:6–11). Those who do not believe in the Son, who do not receive Him as Savior, will be judged on the day of wrath (Romans 2:5–6).

Why do you think in garden of Getsemane Christ asked Father if it were possible to remove the cup of God's wrath from Him?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Are you saying that these two are the same thing, or are you just throwing a few quotes out there. No offense intended, just wondering how to get from your point #1 to point #2.

Multimple times Lord Jesus refers to hell as a place where “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

This coupling of weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell reflects the unspeakable torment of those who will be separated from God for all eternity.

In the Bible, both “weeping” and “gnashing of teeth” represent physical and spiritual anguish. When Jerusalem was destroyed, and the Jews were exiled from their homeland, the people wept in anguish

James warned the rich oppressors to prepare for God’s judgment, advising, “weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you” (James 5:1). Gnashing (or “grinding”) of teeth also appears throughout the Bible, always depicting people in moments of violent, furious torment and vexation (Psalm 37:12)

Long before Jesus talked about weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell, the psalmist presented an end-of-the-world snapshot of the wicked observing the blissful destiny of the righteous (Psalm 112:1–9) while gnashing their teeth in rage (Psalm 112:10). There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell because the unredeemed will finally see and understand all that they have lost.

Likewise, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell because it is a place of eternal punishment (Jude 1:7). Hell was originally intended for Satan and his angels,but it is also for people who choose to reject the Lord.

As Matthew says in chapter 7 verse 23, the most distressing aspect of hell is that it means total and eternal separation from God

 

[Mr. M]

Multimple times Lord Jesus refers to hell as a place where “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

Never referred to as hell, but outer darkness.
This is covered in another post. Yours was not well researched.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

"weeping" AND "and" AND "gnashing" primary search results are listed below along with dictionary aides, FAQs, and Lexiconc.

www.blueletterbible.org

This coupling of weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell reflects the unspeakable torment of those who will be separated from God for all eternity.

No it does not! Have you never seen someone set themselves on fire in protest. (Happens most in Iran, by women). A bit more intense then weeping. More like screaming at the top of their lungs. This also is addressed in a later post. Thanks for your patience.

Likewise, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell because it is a place of eternal punishment (Jude 1:7). Hell was originally intended for Satan and his angels,but it is also for people who choose to reject the Lord.

As Matthew says in chapter 7 verse 23, the most distressing aspect of hell is that it means total and eternal separation from God

So hell is the same as the second death in the lake of fire?
No way! Hades is where the dead are Resurrected from for judgment.
The lake of fire is post judgment and sentencing to the second death.
You are all over the place here Ivan. I am going to stop here,
until your position is better researched. You won't have to go far.
Please keep reading. Thanks for sharing your views. They lack a sound
knowledge of the book of life, and who is not found there. (2 categories.)

 

[Jeff Saunders]

If I am allowed to answer that...
The city New Jerusalem is not a literal city, but the lamb's wife, which is his body (the Church).
So, this refers to the fact that no unrighteous individual became part of his spirit anointed brothers.

I can point you to a post where I discuss that, with the scriptures to support it, if you want to see the scriptures.
Here are two. Revelation 21:9-22:5; Revelation 19:7, 8

I have seen this idea before, but personally I don't think it is true. For me if that were just an allegory of the church being the bride of Jesus why such detail about the size of the city, its walls and gates and all the things spoken about in Rev. Why not just say he saw the New Jerusalem coming down to the New Earth and not give such a detailed description of the city? We know from other scripture that there is going to be a real physical New Earth and New Heaven, that's not allegory why would John describe a literal physical place and throw in one line of allegory in the middle, to me that makes no sense. There are allegory and figurative language in Rev and its our job to rightly divide scripture but I do believe that in this case the city is literal and it will be on a literal physical New Earth.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, a New Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband.
Is says like a bride not it was the bride. The New Jerusalem is the forever home of the bride but not the bride herself.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

So you want God not to punish evil? That's not just, that's not love. Love is to justly punish all evil, all sin.

Sin separates us from the Holy God. You cannot enter in God's presense unless you are washed with the blood of Christ, otherwise you will die. Like the sons of Aaron who approached the Holy God and were killed on the spot.

The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. Hell is a place where people are eternally separated from God. Separated from the source of life, everything that is good. People in hell will neevr smile, never be happy, never feel goodness, just eternal torment.

You know what the problem with sin is? When we sin, we tell our Creator 'no God I will not obey you, because I know better'. Everytime we sin we try to replace God.

It's tragic when Christians downplay sin. Just look at the consequences of Adam and Eve sinning. Well, they 'only' ate from a tree, so what's the big deal, right?

God is angry at us for our sins. God hates a sinner as it is written in Psalm 5, but that does not get preached. The churches today are so weak even pathetic, because they never warn of sin and it's deadly consequences. Just cheap love love love but nothing about God's wrath, even though God's wrath is mentioned far more than His love.

If you want to understand God's wrath, just look at what Chirst has endured on the cross.

Did I say that God was not going punish sin? No I did not, no one who has rejected Jesus will get away with anything, but its unto or for correction not eternal.
If you can't enter in Gods presence unless you are washed with the blood of Christ, how does satan stand before God and accuse the believer?
Hell is not even in scripture and and eternal separation are not either. The Lake of Fire is and that's the second death for all those who rejected Jesus while in the mortal body, but that is not eternal, its a place of refinement to have the dross removed by Gods loving fire but its not eternal its for an age,aionios it has a beginning and an end.
No God is not angry with us and he hates none, we are all his beloved children. does he hate sin? Yes but not the sinner.
Those who believe in " eternal hell" don't take sin seriously, they think that God is ok with sin continuing for all eternity stuck in the corner someplace. I come from the Christian Universal Redemption camp and we believe God hates sin and will eliminate it forever, by making all his enemies friends when he reconciles all to himself,2 Cor 5:19 In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting peoples trespasses against them, and he has given us the message of reconciliation.
1 Cor 15:28 And, when all things have been subordinated to him, then the Son himself also be subordinated to the one who has subordinated all things to him, so that God may be all in all.
Gods wrath is just his love destroying all that is not of him and what separates all his children from him, God can't do anything that is not out of love.

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Multimple times Lord Jesus refers to hell as a place where “there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth”

This coupling of weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell reflects the unspeakable torment of those who will be separated from God for all eternity.

In the Bible, both “weeping” and “gnashing of teeth” represent physical and spiritual anguish. When Jerusalem was destroyed, and the Jews were exiled from their homeland, the people wept in anguish

James warned the rich oppressors to prepare for God’s judgment, advising, “weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you” (James 5:1). Gnashing (or “grinding”) of teeth also appears throughout the Bible, always depicting people in moments of violent, furious torment and vexation (Psalm 37:12)

Long before Jesus talked about weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell, the psalmist presented an end-of-the-world snapshot of the wicked observing the blissful destiny of the righteous (Psalm 112:1–9) while gnashing their teeth in rage (Psalm 112:10). There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell because the unredeemed will finally see and understand all that they have lost.

Likewise, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in hell because it is a place of eternal punishment (Jude 1:7). Hell was originally intended for Satan and his angels,but it is also for people who choose to reject the Lord.

As Matthew says in chapter 7 verse 23, the most distressing aspect of hell is that it means total and eternal separation from God

If someone was truly separated from God they would cease to exist, God is everyplace, he holds all things together, there is no place you can go to get away from God. Even in the next ages God still sustains all things, it is God who gives us a immortals body he keeps it alive for all eternity. Even if "eternal hell" were real, God is still maintaining it and all those who would be there and he would have to listen to their screams for all eternity and be grieved for all eternity because he would have to keep everyone alive and keep the fire burning. Not the loving God I see in scripture.

 

[Mr. M]

I come from the Christian Universal Redemption camp and we believe God hates sin and will eliminate it forever, by making all his enemies friends when he reconciles all to himself,2 Cor 5:19 In Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting peoples trespasses against them, and he has given us the message of reconciliation.

God can't do anything that is not out of love.

Malachi Two:
17 You have wearied the Lord with your words;
Yet you say,
“In what way have we wearied Him?”
In that you say,
“Everyone who does evil
Is good in the sight of the Lord,
And He delights in them,”
Or, “Where is the God of justice?”

God's Righteous Judgment is not rooted in love, but Justice

 

[Jeff Saunders]

Malachi Two:
17 You have wearied the Lord with your words;
Yet you say,
“In what way have we wearied Him?”
In that you say,
“Everyone who does evil
Is good in the sight of the Lord,
And He delights in them,”
Or, “Where is the God of justice?”

God's Righteous Judgment is not rooted in love, but Justice

I would say Gods justice is rooted in his love.

 

[Mr. M]

I would say Gods justice is rooted in his love.

Yes, for the victims of cruel oppression. He has promised them Justice. The idea that God would bathe an unbeliever in His love in a purifying fire until they become a believer is completely illogical to me. We have accountability for our choices.
It sounds strangely coercive to think that God will make them love Him. Of course, you and I both know that UR is one of the most debated topics on the forum. I understand your position and I responded to you so that, respectfully, you would know mine.
Otherwise, and I do not mean this to be judgmental, but I will consider any further discussion on this thread to be derailing the topic. I think we agreed that ECT is out of character for our loving God, but UR is a bit too tainted by human sentimentality to be God's view on tolerance of wickedness. Too many scriptures detailing the things God hates to accept the old human notion of "love conquers all". There also seems to be a nullification of the meaning of life if someone chooses to live wickedly, on the knowledge that you have shared. Let's live wild and free, and we can just make things right in the fire lake of God's love?

 

[Hoping2]

Why should they not have hope Jesus died so that they can be reconciled back to God. Is this not what the Gospel is about our hope in Jesus, unless you think he failed in his mission of being the savior of the world. do these verses give false hope tp the wicked? Phil 2:10-11 Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess( the Greek word Exomologeo means to acknowledge, openly and joyfully, to celebrate, to give praise without reservations,) The very thing all must do to get to the Father.
1 Tim 4:9-11 Because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
Do you think that these and many more like them give hope to those who you deem whicked? I hope so because God is the God of hope and love and in him there is no darkness.

Jesus died so we could be reconciled during THIS life.
To pretend there is some back-door out of damnation, is wickedness itself.
Jesus has given us all we require to serve Him, and His Father, perfectly here and now.

 

[trophy33]

So you want God no to punish evil? How can a good God not punish sin?

The Scripture talks lot more about God's wrath than His love. You know why? Because God is angry at us for our sins, but delays His just wrath as He desires all come to Him, and repent. But one day that will end.

The wrath of God is a divine response to human sin and disobedience. The wrath of God is consistently directed towards those who do not follow His will (Deuteronomy 1:26-46). The Old Testament prophets often wrote of a day in the future, the "day of wrath" (Zephaniah 1:14-15). God’s wrath against sin and disobedience is perfectly justified because His plan for mankind is holy and perfect, just as God Himself is holy and perfect. God provided a way to gain divine favor—repentance—which turns God’s wrath away from the sinner. To reject that perfect plan is to reject God’s love, mercy, grace and favor and incur His righteous wrath.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus speaks of the judgment of God and serious consequences for the unrepentant sinner (Luke 16:19–31). John 3:36 says, “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” The one who believes in the Son will not suffer God’s wrath for his sin, because the Son took God’s wrath upon Himself when He died in our place on the cross (Romans 5:6–11). Those who do not believe in the Son, who do not receive Him as Savior, will be judged on the day of wrath (Romans 2:5–6).

Why do you think in garden of Getsemane Christ asked Father if it were possible to remove the cup of God's wrath from Him?

"Mom, why is father torturing us every day?"

"Because he is angry at us that we are not perfect".

"Will it ever end?"

"No, dear, never."

Oh mine, really? This is your theology?

 

[CoreyD]

I have seen this idea before, but personally I don't think it is true. For me if that were just an allegory of the church being the bride of Jesus why such detail about the size of the city, its walls and gates and all the things spoken about in Rev. Why not just say he saw the New Jerusalem coming down to the New Earth and not give such a detailed description of the city? We know from other scripture that there is going to be a real physical New Earth and New Heaven, that's not allegory why would John describe a literal physical place and throw in one line of allegory in the middle, to me that makes no sense. There are allegory and figurative language in Rev and its our job to rightly divide scripture but I do believe that in this case the city is literal and it will be on a literal physical New Earth.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, a New Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, made ready like a bride adorned for her husband.
Is says like a bride not it was the bride. The New Jerusalem is the forever home of the bride but not the bride herself.

You don't read the verses?
Revelation 21:9-22:5; Revelation 19:7, 8
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

Are you saying the bride is not the great city, the holy city Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God?

 

[armchairscholar]

Thanks Jeff. An excellent verse that must be considered. Unfortunately, this is where OSAS is going to blow up in people's faces.
There are two ways to not be found in the book of life. One, to never have been born again. These unbelievers are judged by their works, (no faith, no Grace). However, this is merciful by God in sentencing unbelievers to the second death. Here's why.

The second way to not be found in the book of Life is to have been placed there and removed, I.e. they fail to overcome.
Revelation 3:5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
Also on topic:
Revelation 2:11 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.”
Because we are later told in Rev 20, that those who refused the mark of the beast partake of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them, we can see why these overcomers are free of that judgment.

Judgment for those who accepted the free gift of eternal life, only to "neglect so great a salvation", are not sentenced to death. They are cast into "outer darkness" which is outside the city, because the fullness of Glory in the Father and Son is the "greater glory". (Note: Rev. 22:15 makes no mention of fire lake.)​

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

And here is the error, weeping and gnashing of teeth is not an expression of an imposed torment. It is the anguish of soul of those who will spend eternity (OSAS) outside the city with the unfaithful saved who turned away, and are thrust out. This is why Peter wrote:
2 Peter 2:
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
Why? Because a death sentence for those who reject Christ is merciful compared to the saved who are found unfaithful and remain outside the city for eternity with the defiled. I asked the Holy Spirit to wrap this up for me at the end of the study. What I received, I will present to the Church.
"The degree to which we draw near to God in this life,
is the nearness to God we will experience in eternity".
If this is difficult for anyone, try studying the meaning of
the Korab Korban (draw near offering).
Mark 7:
6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me (draw near) with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Isaiah 29:13 Therefore the Lord said:
“Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths
And honor Me with their lips,
But have removed their hearts far from Me,
And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men,

Your post really got me thinking about the weight of our choices as believers. The way you break down the Book of Life and the idea of overcoming in Revelation is sobering. It’s like Hebrews 10:26-27 warns—turning away after receiving the truth leaves us in a tough spot. I appreciate how you connect the “outer darkness” to the anguish of missing out on God’s full glory, not just a fiery punishment. That perspective shifts how I see the consequences of neglecting salvation.

I hear your concern about the idea of "Once Saved, Always Saved" (OSAS) and how it might not fully capture the call to persevere in faith. The verses you shared, like Revelation 3:5 and 2 Peter 2:20-21, remind us that following Jesus isn’t just a one-time decision but a lifelong journey of staying faithful.

Your point about drawing near to God now setting the tone for eternity hits home. It reminds me of James 4:8, where we’re called to draw near to God, and He’ll draw near to us. The Korab Korban reference is a great nudge to dig deeper into what it means to truly offer ourselves to God, not just with words but with our hearts. Thanks for sharing this—it’s a strong call to stay faithful and keep our focus on Christ.